Ep 165 - The Prism

Hello everyone. Welcome to psychology and spirituality bridge to a better life discussion. I'm here with my good friend Josetta Corn go our co-host and co-founder of this podcast and uh we are here to explore a very interesting theme today. But before we start, Jada, how are you doing? >> Hello, Marcia. How everyone? I'm doing really good and I'm happy to be here back for our podcast and explore all this those exciting subjects that we are talking about. Very good. So, what are we going to do today? Right. So we we begin with this question that can be quite old and young and uh large but very quite intimate, right? Which is the series of topics about grief and loss in many different discussions. And my first question here, Josara, is why does it have to hurt so deeply? What does grief is you know asking us? What are your thoughts? >> Well uh sometimes we forget about it but grief is not just emotional. It's a full body physiological event >> because every time we feel that we we are experiencing some u responses from what we are um we we are experiencing right you know what is happening in the world or what is happening to us immediately it's going to trigger a physiological response as well. So it is going to be a component of you know uh heartbeat that increases the blood uh uh blood pressure that can increases as well you know there there is so much behind that >> and um and sometimes you know because uh those are not things that necessarily hurt like a pain of you a broken finger or something. It's so hard for for people to know how to deal with that. >> And the responses are different as well. How much we can endure this emotional pain, this emotional struggle that is accompanied by the physiological event as well. It it is going to depend on about very much about our structure. The the image that came to mind um right now is like let's say that we are going to be experiencing an earthquake quake. >> Yeah. >> The different buildings are going to respond to the earthquake quake in a

e image that came to mind um right now is like let's say that we are going to be experiencing an earthquake quake. >> Yeah. >> The different buildings are going to respond to the earthquake quake in a different way depending on their structure the material that were built. And I think this is what we are trying to do here is to uh improve our material so that we can deal and respond well and survive the earthquakes of life. >> Oh, I love that image. Right. From an architectural background, we know that areas prone to earthquakes, they are built calculated different than those are not. And and so it's very interesting. It's not about the earthquake itself, but how are we equipped to better or not at all to respond to to those events that happen? And uh and I I I find it just if you if you if I may um discuss a little bit longer on the emotional response to grief, right? And uh to me what comes to my mind is that usually but it's not truth all the time but usually we imagine grief as something that I don't have to deal with it now right I I I'll deal it later when I get old and maybe the people that were my friends start passing or my parents etc. And um and uh it's almost as if uh sorrow I if you will would require a a timeline to which I can prepare and we usually are not ready right to to to come but I must say I'm ready you can happen now because now I am mature in years you know in age and psychological ical maturity etc. I'm ready to to deal with grief. But grief I guess comes whenever we are attached to something to someone to an aspect of ourselves or to life itself. Right? So um I think the the important aspect of it and I'd love to hear a little bit from you is to understand that uh the minute I start becoming emotionally attached and I can be in the the image uh of the the little prince comes to my mind the minute uh he he he gets uh emotionally attached that little rose right he says, "I I've been captivated," which has a a double antandra, if you will, because

the the little prince comes to my mind the minute uh he he he gets uh emotionally attached that little rose right he says, "I I've been captivated," which has a a double antandra, if you will, because what is to be captive or captivated, right? He became imprisoned by the love of the rose. This is the case of the little prince. But we can expand that very simple uh almost um uh story for children which is not but uh with the idea here how uh do we see ourselves as captivated by the love for something someone and when we do this does it mean that I'm immediately vulnerable to the loss that that bond exists right how how do I prepare to the risk that I don't own anything but that I can lose something that I value so much. So anyways, I digressed a little bit, but I I just wanted to know maybe you can speak a little bit about uh and you mentioned right that grief is not just an emotional response but it is uh beyond that physiological perhaps just we can talk a little bit about um you know and we can we can reference Victor Frankle but it is some sort of rupture in a meaningful ful relationship. It is a fracture in the continuity of a relationship or an identity. So when we think about grieving as a moment when the world that I knew existed that I I was related to I identified myself with no longer exists. How do we manage that? What are what are the the thoughts uh that you can talk maybe about the idea of the prism which is uh today's uh topic right the prism that does not break light but reveals the light in itself and how does it ex exemplify the many aspects the many facets of grief and loss and perhaps the love that is revealed with that >> okay let's go in part here because >> yes so many important and and and interesting things. Uh first of all is you know we can prepare >> for the moments of grief and loss but um it's never going to be like we we prepare to the experience per se is going to be different because as much as I can visualize you knowable I have let's say old parents of course

grief and loss but um it's never going to be like we we prepare to the experience per se is going to be different because as much as I can visualize you knowable I have let's say old parents of course they are uh closer to their their death than than before. So we can we can start thinking about it, start preparing about about it. But it doesn't mean that when it happens uh I'm going to to have this um uh natural or sensible acceptance as I thought just because it was old age or something. uh it can come in a a moment of my life that I can be much more fragile to the idea of you know losing someone and and so as as much as we want to prepare and I'm for I'm a person that likes to prepare and to have strategies for everything and it's something that I'm trying hard not to do you know because we cannot control life as much as we can not control life and I cannot control my emotions at the time life is going to bring me different experiences. So this is one thing. Uh the other thing about you know the little prince again life is made of choices for all of us >> and the question is what is the price I am willing to pay for happiness for love for beauty for companionship. Yes, there is the risk of losing all that. the little prince. So it's looking at you know that beautiful the beauty of the rose the companionship >> uh right uh and yeahing the creation and being captivated by this of course we can say I'm not going to attach to anything but to what price so having known love having known valuable um forms of attachment let's say uh in terms of you you know family friend relationships etc. We know that this is not going to last forever and maybe it's not the others that are going to go. We are the ones that are going to go. >> True. We are the ones that may think about end relationship for instance not necessarily thinking about death or dying because uh in this series we are talking about the grief the grief of death and the grief of loss in a general way. So um maybe I'm the one that you know I am

necessarily thinking about death or dying because uh in this series we are talking about the grief the grief of death and the grief of loss in a general way. So um maybe I'm the one that you know I am so happy in this work environment but I will have a better opportunity and I will I will lose my pos I will lose my position those colleagues that I I like to work so much and um I'm the one that is living it is my choice as well not necessarily the other. So the thing is we know that we have to be open to life and um and this is uh you know in a very fickle way. This is how I shop. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, if I go shopping, I say, "Oh, I'm going to use that a lot." Because it's not I I I refuse to buy anything to just stay on the drawers or, you know, a piece of clothes that is going to be hanged uh on the dresser. No, I mean, if if you're going to to acquire something, use it, enjoy it. And and and and this is a different way of seeing seeing life as well. But when we come to the pres I mean the idea that is interesting is because we are light we come from light >> that's right >> from the love and breath of a creator. uh but when we go and experience life per se through the uh the series of lives that we will be having and opportunities um I'm going to be to look like I'm I'm fragmented because now I'm I'm this color I'm leaving this facet of the color >> yellow, green, orange, uh, violet, red, uh, and others that we cannot even see. >> But I'm not I'm still I am still the sum up of all those colors. Although momentarily in my lifetime or in other lives experiences I may be more focused on the childhood aspect on the adolescent aspect, adolescent aspect or you know other aspects. But the beauty of that and this is what we are going to be bringing in this series is the convergence of all of this when we are pure light of you know becoming of existing and then having the full perspective uh even with the colored colors that we do not see of experiences that will will bring us again to a whole. There is

re pure light of you know becoming of existing and then having the full perspective uh even with the colored colors that we do not see of experiences that will will bring us again to a whole. There is a single light composed of everything that from that spec I have been aggregating in my my lives and experience. So in a moment is like you know uh h how is the process for me to get there? How do I know that that white light that is uh going into that crisp is going to transform in so many different shades of life, hues of light, >> right? It it encounters a block a block of you know crystal a crystal block but what is going to show me this rupture this obstacle so to say and this is when uh Jung talks about it as well the anggeles talks about it that moment where um we will find uh the the possibility of living and experiencing and and this sometimes represents a rupture a rupture in our way of being a rupture uh that sometimes come comes to pray pain sometimes come comes through challenges and it comes in so many different aspects so uh but what I think it's very beautiful is to think uh I'm that spark that contains so many so much uh many colors uh such a potential and uh I have to experience all that. I have to grow in all that and become one in myself which is uh is still just a single being but a single being that now has an a different structure because it it realizes what you are. you. It has experienced uh things that will help you to become a everything that your potential uh awaits for you to awake. >> No, no, no. This is this is quite poetic but quite beautiful as well, right? uh the the sense of the light, the fragmentation, but with the fragmentation that we could call the pain, the challenges, life itself in in in this case all the the losses that we go through life. But it's the realization that we never cease to be the one single beam of light. But there's so much more that we are in how we perceive of ourselves, right? Is it a white light or is it uh you you mentioned yellow? It

zation that we never cease to be the one single beam of light. But there's so much more that we are in how we perceive of ourselves, right? Is it a white light or is it uh you you mentioned yellow? It could be red. It could be purple. Whatever the color may be, but we are not fragments of what we are. We are >> our essence is beautiful and and and quite amazing. So I love that. >> I wanted since we talked about the you know you being an architect and uh you know structures. >> Yeah. >> The um uh the earthquake and uh >> Yeah. Yeah. We talked about you uh having the structure to deal with the earthquakes of life. >> But what does that mean? This is structure. It doesn't mean to be rigid. It means to be malleable, to be open mind. And then I I I I remember about Azop's fable that talks about the oak and the reef. >> Yes. when there is this, you know, huge wind. Okay, let's say that it's almost like a an earthquake or a hurricane or whatever. And the the might oak is um uh remove it from the ground while the reef is stay there. And then the oak asks the reef why uh you know I I might my structure is made of you know >> yeah of uh centuries right and you are just tiny and and then the the answer comes it's because we bend because we are flexible we're malleable to the wings of life and this is why how you know all this spirituality means is not to put you in a case that it is there is dogmatic. No, it's something that you know invites you to be open to the truths of life. And there there is truth in so many philosophies, religions and and and places and and and being able to be flexible and like when you know when you have to face this adversity, the wind, you will feel it. It it will damage you. It will be hard, but you are going to be still standing. >> Love it. I love it. I I really love it. You have no idea how uh poetic again but that allegory right of what happens to through use Azop's fables of the oak the mighty oak that hardwood and the little tiny g reef that just bands therefore is

ou have no idea how uh poetic again but that allegory right of what happens to through use Azop's fables of the oak the mighty oak that hardwood and the little tiny g reef that just bands therefore is able to deal with adversity just because of its flexibility. Love it. Love it. And sometimes the problem is that you know >> society is not very open to that. It's not very nice to that. You know, we live in a a in a society that it's all about producing is all about, you know, hiding your emotions, hiding your pain and uh and uh and and and and judging like, you know, I have a friend that uh she uh last year she lost her her mother and um and uh and and she she told me uh you know it's been a year already and I I still grief and there are people you know friends that family that comes to me and say it's been a year already uh and and so there there is no no time frame for that from how how long are you going to be >> no expiration date right for grief >> it is an emotion >> it's an emotion and and Sometimes, you know, like uh okay, if someone that died is, let's say, up to their 50s, it's okay for you to grief because it was unexpected. But if uh god forbid if they are older, especially if they are over their 80s or 90s, people will look at you like uh what were you expecting? And I mean this can be very you know those can be the harsh winds >> that if you are not a riff >> you can be very much damaged affected by those kind of comments and become bitter and have having to withdraw from your emotions >> saying I have to hide that because people will not understand. Yeah, I have to silence what I'm feeling >> when I need the most. But I think this is maybe the first point that we can talk a little bit about, which is the the idea that grief, society speaking, is often seen as a sign of weakness, right? But we all know that grief is deeply rooted in many many different emo uh cultures. And uh you know and for those that value control, productivity or even emotion restraint,

a sign of weakness, right? But we all know that grief is deeply rooted in many many different emo uh cultures. And uh you know and for those that value control, productivity or even emotion restraint, they they consider grieving as yes, you're you're weak, you're vulnerable, you should take medication to stop that. But it's not right. True. We we really need to to understand that uh it is a loving response and it is not a flaw. It is an expression of how connected we are to that person. Right. >> Yeah. And you you you see uh sometimes it can be vain. It doesn't matter you know. >> Yeah. Because we live in a society that we are everything is so easy to be replaced. We will say oh you lost your job. Okay just just go find another job. Yeah. Yeah. >> As if it you know the years that you had of experiencing life in that work environment you know the same the same bus uh >> that you take or you know the same journey that you take every morning to go to this particular job. The coffee that you're using it to to have just there. you know, the little the little things and and people just so easily just say replace it. >> Uh like sometimes, you know, it can even be as as many as a cell phone, a mobile, >> right? Oh, just replace it there. Yours was old as uh but it was, you know, you have such a a consideration for that. It was your first cell phone. Let's say the first one that you you bought with your money not making oh my way to pay. Oh, there might be a reasons for you to be attached to that. We we are not trying to justify here you know vain attachment like we were saying before but the how much we we are entitled and allowed to to have those emotions to have those feelings and there is no correct way or incorrectly way to live that each person will live that in a different way like we said at the beginning even yourself preparing yourself for loss for death when it happens, it's going to be different because you're not at that moment where you are planning how am I

rent way like we said at the beginning even yourself preparing yourself for loss for death when it happens, it's going to be different because you're not at that moment where you are planning how am I going to react when this >> is is going to happen. No, you were in a different stage. You were in a different phase. You were in a different journey. Um >> and and and just just psychologically speaking, right, grief is not a just a point, a feeling, a time. It also has that constellation of emotions, right? Sadness, anger, fear, guilt, relief, confusion. So when you say, I'm doing it right because we all wanted to do it right. Grieving right does not exist or grieving wrong is is not a concept that exists. Grieving is grieving. It is experiencing all the complexity of that emotional inscape that uh it is who you are. It is based on what you are and how you you establish that connection that bond with whatever and uh it will it will uh express differently also it's not linear right chada >> and I mean it is only human for us to try to fight it try not to accept accept it, you know, uh it is not easy or or or to go to those uh you know stages of this this cannot be happening to me. I'm feeling >> angry. I'm feeling depressed. Our bargain like we mentioned the opening of this series about Elizabeth Cobbler Ross. It's it's can be so many things but one of the things that normally we don't think about is that uh one of the things that we have considered by as a topic for medical studies as well is the post-traumatic growth. We only talk about the post-traumatic syndrome when you go to wars or to some events. Uh there are very hard for us to deal with it. But we nor we normally don't talk about the post-traumatic growth not not in in uh with those terms you know this macro scientific terms anyway when uh after we go through this right of passage so to say that can be so many things right that represents laws reason for us to grief. We we become to have deeper empathy. We

cientific terms anyway when uh after we go through this right of passage so to say that can be so many things right that represents laws reason for us to grief. We we become to have deeper empathy. We have a spiritual awakening >> uh clearer priorities, more authenticity and uh it's not we are not trying to say that grief is good but it it rearranges what matters. I I I remember I I I I live in New York and I was here in New York City when the there was the the Twin Towers uh destruction and um and it was very very hard to go through that. But uh you know uh weeks after maybe months after I remember I was listening to one of those radio programs and they were saying uh that there was an increase in in the population at least here to look more for spirituality and this is was exactly the term the the the host of the the show said spirituality. So this is the a post-traumatic growth in the sense that I I there has to be more to life than that. Um okay it is important if I I lose my job but at the same time I I cannot be defined and don't just by the things I used to have and I don't have anymore. Sometimes we define our ourselves as you know I am the ex vice president of a company. I am the exwife of someone or husband of someone. I am the exmother of someone. A and no we are not the ex of anyone. We we are we still are we still live that experience. It's uh those things or those people may not be in our lives anymore, but it it it doesn't mean that uh I I'm just that I'm just their reflection. And I think this is a very important point for us to to think about as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And >> go ahead. >> No, no, go ahead. And I mean in this sense I as one of the things that we we we picked to mention is you know how in this process of bargaining we try to to revert the situation any way we can and then we use this myth of uh uh or right >> and it's interesting because Orus and the >> he was the greatest poet, singer and liar, lyric player. >> Yeah. uh and uh that lived and because

ay we can and then we use this myth of uh uh or right >> and it's interesting because Orus and the >> he was the greatest poet, singer and liar, lyric player. >> Yeah. uh and uh that lived and because of that he managed to make his way around uh hate to go to descend into hates because his love that was uh um irrit she died >> and want he wanted to bring her back. So he goes to to Karum the fairy man and because of you know his poem his music and everything the fairy man just takes him and the the three-headed dog because of his music is so marveled by everything and let him him go through and Hazes is there and says okay you can take her back but uh But uh and uh but you have to you cannot turn back. >> Yeah. >> And uh and in this case uh it's when the Mitch uh invites us to think about okay he's there living hes with his loved one >> but not look at her until re he reached the land of the living again. Yeah, >> but the thing is he cannot hear anything, anything, any sign that may show that she's still alive and that she's there following him, that she really continues to exist. >> Yeah. And so he cannot refrain himself from looking behind and it was when she disappears. >> And I think what is very beautiful about that is for us to think about uh you know sometimes for our loved ones we would go to Hayes and back right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Bring them back >> not knowing that they are still there. They still exist. I don't need to have proof of their existence to know that they are with me to know that they still love me because uh going through this process of you know leaving our physical body behind and going ahead doesn't mean that we are over and that love above all is going to be over. And so in his case, it's not necessarily a punishment, but it's him and the Mitch learning to reconcile with the existence, but at the same time known existence, but understanding that she's there >> and that one day he's he's going to meet her. And then and and not having this

tch learning to reconcile with the existence, but at the same time known existence, but understanding that she's there >> and that one day he's he's going to meet her. And then and and not having this lack of faith, this human frag fragility >> of thinking no there is not there. >> See >> I Yeah. No, this is so inspiring, right? The to to remind ourselves of of this myth storytelling, right? But it it is quite powerful just this this this notion of loss the refusal bargaining right in Elizabeth Kubal Ross curve uh the bargaining and he does bargain and unlike us if you were to bargain with God or whatever that may be I want to go back I want to to go to the world uh Orphus was successful He went but in the fibers or the the errors of his way doing what he was told not to do and he could not refrain from looking back. By looking back, he loses her forever, right, in the physicality of having her by his side, but gains the true notion of he will never lose her, which is quite a paradox of of ideas, but it's the most comforting thing that we could ever think about it that we never lose our loved ones. >> Yeah. And you see here he goes to a second loss first he goes to a second loss where he has to accept the irreversibility of that loss you know it's when he's uh invited to transform himself through grief and and in this case >> let's say he had the proof that she still continues to exist. >> Yeah. a different realm. >> Yeah. >> Right. And and uh in a sense that she's not lost to him forever. >> Yeah. >> Is just a momentary thing. And uh and it was when we come with also the purpose of uh you know this uh uh focus that we are trying to give here is uh you know this rupture this uh pain that you go through. >> Yeah. It invites you to uh take a different path in your journey and this different path may be one of post and should be one of post-traumatic growth. >> Yeah. in the sense where you say, you know, sometimes I I I don't give uh proper things their value because I'm so, you know, in the hustle

e one of post and should be one of post-traumatic growth. >> Yeah. in the sense where you say, you know, sometimes I I I don't give uh proper things their value because I'm so, you know, in the hustle bustle of, you know, day-to-day lives and and and um I'm not seeing what is truly true truly good when when you go through, you know, a difficult process. You may experience a heart attack or someone in your family and comes out of it and uh you know your your your mind and heart should be different after this experience and not uh uh you know not growing through that >> it's it's a refocus right uh he in this case of Orphus he The descent is like our grieving process, like dark and and scary and all of it, but he comes back transformed. But I think uh in many different types of grieving processes that po that positive post-traumatic growth is one that pushes us to see things in a different lens, >> right? to to to re-evaluate or val validate our relationship to to that. But since we're we're talking about myths, can you talk about perhaps uh uh Deer and Praphanany the the myth and how they talk about those different dimensions of grief? Again, it's a another myth that can help us to to understand this transition. So when Pphanie dies and uh it is so high difficult for Deer to to accept that and and and and for for and then from this perspective is already uh accepting that she lives in the underworld and uh the his grief becomes cosmic like they gigantic and a and uh and and it reflects on the earth because she was responsible for the crops for the uh the weather and everything until finally when they you know they they accept and they realize their grief there is a compromise where she is going to spend part of the year in the undergrowth and part of here uh um uh above above the ground. And um so it tries to to explain to us that um uh we belong to two realms. There is no uh rupture per se in what we are just because we move to a different realm and how we feel just because we

round. And um so it tries to to explain to us that um uh we belong to two realms. There is no uh rupture per se in what we are just because we move to a different realm and how we feel just because we move to a different realm and we are going to be living in these two realms where uh in terms of grief per se when we are we experience the loss of loved ones let's say or a friend >> uh It's the same thing. It's uh us thinking um it's okay. >> Yeah. >> It's okay for me to to feel this grief. It doesn't matter if it's one year, five months, 50 years. I I I love this person. I miss the the company of this this person. There is this grief word that I I learned that I love so much. It's the ptos is the uh which is in in Greek it means the uh missing right the absence of a presence of being being being hurt or uh right by this absence of this presence that that was there with us that lived with us you know as pain of this absence of a presence and it's okay a and this is what we have to to think about that will be days that we will wake up and say I don't know why I I've been I mean I feel like in thinking about this person so much today right yeah >> it's been so long so long in the the way we we count time but not in our for our emotions in our spirit and especially knowing that this someone in a different level continues to exist and uh I I think it's a it's for us is a process for us to learn that um hope about hope as well >> about hope because um it's not the end it's not the end for them it's not the end for us uh it is a process where I will be invited to uh mature. >> Yeah. >> And to uh to the strengthening of my spiritual values as well. >> That is that is quite uh beautiful what you're saying right. It is a purposeful if you will not intentional by us but there is a purpose there's meaning into into the process. Mhm. >> Ah. So, uh can we wrap up uh in the next few minutes with perhaps the the idea of uh um spiritist um perspective, right? which is refraraming

s a purpose there's meaning into into the process. Mhm. >> Ah. So, uh can we wrap up uh in the next few minutes with perhaps the the idea of uh um spiritist um perspective, right? which is refraraming um our lives, reframing pain, reframing our our you know like u arridity uh where that we we didn't disappear, right? We disappear physically but we we don't go. Can you tell us a little bit about what does spiritism teaches about us? Um and what does spirit Joanna the anggeles as well talk to us about that uh from a grieving process? >> Yes. and uh you know from from the works of on spiritism from Alan Cardik you know the spirits books and others and of course from Zana Dangelis u and I mean that's the main reason why she keeps on inviting us to get to know ourselves to strengthen ourselves because it's it's just not for one existence you know it's for eternal life it's mortality and and and it is in this perspective uh that we we we have to talk something here and always remembering that um 90% of the religions of the world they preach immortality. Of course they they have different ideas of what is going to happen after you die your past but still you're immortal and so from this perspective I'm immortal. Uh, it means that I continue to exist, that I continue feeling the same feelings that I had before. And um, and so I'm not uh eliminated. I should not be eradicated from your life just because my physical body does no longer exists. And and so from the spiritist perspective, we are here just living a physical uh experience. It's like just you know I'm taking a travel to let's say uh the North Pole and so I will take the adequate um u wardrobe to so that I can endure this kind of you know u weather that I'm going to be facing there. So coming to life is the same thing. I'm going to be dressed in a manner let's say with this physical body according to the needs of my experience and one day this body is no longer going to be functioning as it should. It's time for you know to go

o be dressed in a manner let's say with this physical body according to the needs of my experience and one day this body is no longer going to be functioning as it should. It's time for you know to go through this physiological decay and uh but we continue to to exist and this is the beauty and we have been having so many research and validation about that uh in this country we have the works of Ian Stephenson we have the works of um Brian Dr. Brian West, right? We so many works and and even Dr. Deepak Chopra that that talks about the immortality that talks about reincarnation. Uh okay. I lost people. I lost my parents already. Uh I miss them. >> Mhm. I wish they were with me especially in difficult times and or very happy times that I would like to share with them. But although I miss the physicality of their embrace, I know that they are not uh they're not dead. I know that they continue being there and I know that every now and then they come to visit me. Unfortunately, we still do not have a magical Google that is going to to to allow us to see the spiritual realm. And don't think that this is fantastic. Mr. Dr. Louie Pastere showed us a whole world that we were not seeing before the microscope, right? when we >> and so you know there is this world there is this uh joy and uh the take we we we should get from that is uh be like the reef be more flexible to to life to what life brings you to you know open your mind to spiritual values as well. Do not just be dazzled by what fleshes before your eyes >> because I can guarantee to you that uh the fleshing on the other side is so much more beautiful than we have here. >> That's right. That's right. It's just a a dull shadow of the reality of our true true life. Right. So I think um I want to close with a question to you Josada. What is grief actually asking of us? Uh to redirect our values. I think uh I would say that for me, you see um >> because in many instances what we lost >> we sometimes were not valuing that much.

da. What is grief actually asking of us? Uh to redirect our values. I think uh I would say that for me, you see um >> because in many instances what we lost >> we sometimes were not valuing that much. >> Yeah. just when you lose it that you give it proper value and now it can be too late. So take a good look at everything that you have in life right now. Your health, your physical possibilities, your loving family, friends, your work may not be the best but it you know uh whatever experience you are living and u don't take it for granted. uh count count your blessings because one day if they're not there anymore you may look back and say I should have looked at that different way from a different >> I wish right I wish I had and it's yeah and I I just say for me uh to answer the same question would be ah let us not bargain let's not do the orpheus thing. We don't need to, right? Because loss is like you said, it can be despite its trauma, there may be some posttraumatic growth that are not only important but may be critical for us to re-evaluate our entire lives. Right? So maybe um what I would like for all of us in as we close to to reflect um perhaps about what loss have you gone through and how going through that quote unquote underworld of grieving um what did it bring it to you? Not only maybe a a loss of a loved one, a role, your health, uh a cycle of your life. What did it bring to you? What is your new color in that prism? Right? What is grief specifically asking you to grow into? Right? I I I think those are the the reflections that we can all have as we close this episode today. And I want to say thank you so much Jos. I really appreciate you. I appreciate your thoughts and your contribution to this topic. I also want to thank each and everyone of our listeners who are here today. Stay with us. We're going to have some more discussions on the broader aspect of grief from different uh uh angles, different lights, uh different colors. But for those of you who are

are here today. Stay with us. We're going to have some more discussions on the broader aspect of grief from different uh uh angles, different lights, uh different colors. But for those of you who are watching this, listening to to this program for the first time, please note the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are all based on the works of Joanna D'Angelus and uh we appreciate our sponsors Manfo Camo, the United States Spiritist Federation, the International Spiritist Council and I mean Brazil uh the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist association for all of us. Thank you so much and we'll see you next time. By >> until next time.