Ep 68 - Special Edition - Mental Health in Times of Crises

hello everyone welcome to the psychology in spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm here with Dr naif F and just a corn go and uh I'm very happy to have both of you here because we are today focusing our podcast as a special edition of our time together focusing on hugu and the floods that have devastated that state if you're here with us for the first time we appreciate you and please note that uh the program psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works of Joanna deangeles and we're here today and just before I go there I wanted to say thank you for the sponsoring organization the United State Spirits Federation M camil the international Spirits Council and Amy Brazil who are here with us sponsoring this program so that we can really find the time to discuss about our emotional health and the intersection between psychology and spirituality please make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't already done so we would like very much to hear your thoughts your feedback your questions but with that anay thank you so very much I am extremely touched to have you here with us please note that Ana fona lives in hugu hugu is the southernmost state in Brazil and uh they have been through an enormous uh difficult enormously difficult time in the past two months right so we're talking about about since late April throughout May that state has um gone through not just rains but uh heavy rains storms that uh have caused C catastrophic uh uh negative impacts and flooded 90% of that entire region not only the state of hugu but also the neighboring cities in the neighboring uh country of Uruguay so with that I just understand uh uh anay that this is really a terrible uh environmental disaster and uh I just wanted to perhaps have you here with us talking to us about the need perhaps not just the need to reconstruct but the need to offer the emotional support needed during this time before I ask you to speak I just wanted to to tell everyone that about 20

us about the need perhaps not just the need to reconstruct but the need to offer the emotional support needed during this time before I ask you to speak I just wanted to to tell everyone that about 20 years ago the US went through um similar but in a different order magnitude um a a a similar in terms of environmental impact in that really impressed me to this day I can still remember uh the days and the weeks and the months that turn out to be decade long reconstruction based on Katrina the hurricane that in 2005 absolutely um destroyed many different cities most importantly uh New Orleans and uh its surrounding area in terms of um um I don't know just to for us to have a sense of uh uh the impact Financial in this case it is estimated about 1,400 people died but the impact to reconstruction was in the magnitude by statistics from two years ago of almost $200 billion dollars and uh many different people have to leave that the that area they had they lost everything they lost uh um friends and and uh family members they lost all of their possessions their homes Etc and right now not it's just too recent for us to even talk about what is the impact from a financial perspective but right now Dr Nai who is trained as a uh psychiatrist as well as a union analyst can talk to us perhaps from that perspective of emotional support emotional health what does this um event mean from your perspect persective an go ahead please okay so thank you for this conversation is always good to talk about our feelings about uh how we are feeling and in how we are connecting to something so huge as a disaster that um makes everybody of course uh feel afraid uh feel feel scared of Storms and rains that are going on almost every day and with the the roads falling apart and bridges and we have a beautiful uh cities up in the mountain that they are very well known all over the world um and um they are you know a lot of tourists used used to come a very happy moments that everybody has of in

a beautiful uh cities up in the mountain that they are very well known all over the world um and um they are you know a lot of tourists used used to come a very happy moments that everybody has of in different parts of the the state of hu um it's very big actually it's in the very south of Brazil uh and we are thinking about um later on I can explain about the geography and if you look to the map of Brazil we would be like uh Brazil's feet let's say and one of the things that we started thinking is why um our state because everybody you said Katrina and you know the world is always with in some kind of conflict because of the you know climate change or the weather or some kind of um Wars even unfortunately and difficult things going on uh but when we are in the middle of the hurricane let's say right I don't know if you have this expression in English we have in Brazil um the eye of the hurricane we are in the middle of the tragedy and then it's like surreal for the ego at least why what's going on your life yesterday was sunny let's say or going on with the day byday difficulties but going on everything was normal you knew where your family W uh was family members where they were and then suddenly all is gone the security the daily life so um the first uh reaction usually for the ego is to what is going on it's everything like a you know a bad dream my nightmare it's surreal but um you you know that I'm a psychiatrist but also a y analyst and so it makes makes us think deeper you know in this and and also think symbolically and I think it helps a lot because if you of course the ego is going to suffer and is suffering everybody's suffering mine too of course uh we are always worried with ourselves families what's going on uh even this night um it was raining a lot after a little bit of sunshine and then you are sleeping but then you you hear the sound of the rain and you get word in your sleep so um of course and then in my city that it's the capital of my state

fter a little bit of sunshine and then you are sleeping but then you you hear the sound of the rain and you get word in your sleep so um of course and then in my city that it's the capital of my state hugu we have this beautiful um we call the guba river but actually it's a lake and it's important for people to understand that our state is I think even the whole of Brazil is the state with more um Sweet Water we say not salt water from the ocean so we have lots of rivers lakes people can look in the map and everything goes to the ocean but through a tiny a tiny hole let's say in one of the Lakes so that's what happened that it started raining a lot up in the mountains a lot so a lot of uh Rivers overflow flew and a lot of like Cascades you know and all of them or most of them uh went to our river that it's in the capital of called River guba uh that it's in our Capital actually has a beautiful sunset when there is the sunset so suddenly something part of nature that was part of our Lives people that live up in the mountains you know the rivers they love the rivers the they love you know the trees the mountains uh we that live uh in the capital in Puerto love the sunset people from Rio de Janeiro and other parts of the of Brazil they have so beautiful beach and they all the gaas that the way that we call ourselves um the gaas um oh they say wow our our Sunset is the most beautiful in Brazil because it's uh over the lake and has this mirror and so they are joking that we don't have the Christ we don't have the beautiful ocean in our Capital but we have a beautiful sunset Sor just to give people an idea because you know not everyone knows the size of Brazil quite well the state of R Grand so in Europe would be equivalent to the whole country of Italy and in the US it would be you know the size of Nevada between Nevada and Arizona so it is a very very big area and uh and and that's why you know when we talk about this uh tragedy that has happened uh uh we you know the impact in

know the size of Nevada between Nevada and Arizona so it is a very very big area and uh and and that's why you know when we talk about this uh tragedy that has happened uh uh we you know the impact in terms of um geographical area and number of the population is really really really big so please go ahead I just wanted to thank you yeah it's good and also that gaas for us is like the Cowboys for the United States it's people you know that deal with cattle and we are um we have a border with Uruguay and with Argentina so we are pretty much sometimes more connected to Uruguay and Argentina than people from the very south of my state the our Cowboys the gaos because then it's um you know they with the cattle and all stuff the stuff so we are um there and in h so sometimes more connected with Uruguay and Argentina than even with Brazil because Brazil a Continental Country so uh up in the north lot of beautiful beaches and you know sunshine and all this stuff but here down in the South sometimes even it snows I don't know if people know that but it now it's cold for instance right so this is uh important because so I was talking about this impact on the ego uh we are all you know from the Human family so we pretty much react the same way psychologically speaking it doesn't matter out the culture it doesn't matter differences in culture and part of the globe people usually react um pretty much in the same way uh feeling like it's something really strange going on surreal the ego has a lot of difficulty to elaborate psychologically speaking we are going to feel we are going to mourn feel grief by everything that we are losing people uh even stuff houses it's so crazy that we saw like uh in my actually by the way my building is a small building uh where I live and then it's by the river 50 MERS and um the water was coming okay I'm in the third floor but the water was coming a lot and we saw a small Islands just go by pass by you know it's small island and a lot of neighbors saw like a tennis

and um the water was coming okay I'm in the third floor but the water was coming a lot and we saw a small Islands just go by pass by you know it's small island and a lot of neighbors saw like a tennis shoes doors wooden you know because a lot of uh houses up in the mountains and with different cities were totally destroyed and taken away so it's a lot of Destruction but at the same time there's something every culture every people from around the world has um you know people have um strong um characteristics for instance resilience different types of of resilience and also some difficulties some things in the culture that makes a little difficult for people so we have ups and downs all over the world things that can help us psychologically to deal with all this uh suffering that a a catastroph of this size there something really tragic going on and we have things so that help and things that make a little uh harder for instance one thing that it's all over Brazil that we have that it's uh really a high point of the population we have what we call in Psychiatry religious syncretism that is uh we are very pretty much open to different types of religions and uh Brazilian people have a lot of faith in the Transcendence in God even in different religions but I think it's kind of 90 or more percent of the population that believe in God so I will give you an example and I study religion spirituality and mental health I have been studying this relationship um among this concept for like 20 years the past 20 years and researching that and I can give you a very good example um of course a lot of us are doing pro bono work because a lot of people lost everything so just yesterday I saw in proo work um a volunteer firefighter it's a if you can't believe a 26 year old um girl woman actually but also a mother of a baby one-year-old baby and she was she is breastfeeding the baby but uh they called everyone that could help because of the size of the disaster and something happened that she

but also a mother of a baby one-year-old baby and she was she is breastfeeding the baby but uh they called everyone that could help because of the size of the disaster and something happened that she was in one of the boats rescuing people you know like she stayed like 24 hours without eating drinking thinking just because of the pressure of the people up in the rooftops of the houses and the force of the waters so when she was called uh she left the baby with her mother and father and and she's a single mother and she ran to the rescue you know and she went she told me she went to the you know to the worst part where literally I think like the city two cities uh the the bridge fell and all but they were totally destroyed so it was like in the beginning in the 244 uh First hours okay and of course she was very distressed and she got to me through the the proon work so we started talking about it's very very important for people to talk about people can have like we call post-traumatic disorder and and she was heading this way because she she when she she told me when she was going to sleep she could fall asleep but then suddenly she would wake up with nightmares and and also uh thinking that she was there rescuing people but what happened is that okay she was cold she just left the baby with the mother thinking that she was going to be you know just U receiving people not in some boat and rescuing people from rooftops and she can't say what happened then when she she realized she was in a boat I think she was so stressed that she couldn't say no I I I cannot go in a boat I have a small baby or whatever right and people never ask her like the firefighter because it's something never happened in our state this size of flood you know uh so I think everybody was a little even with practice but practice is because they studied but it's not she told me I had never been in the real in a real res she was a volunteer five she is a volunteer firefan so what happens that she was in the boat when she

actice is because they studied but it's not she told me I had never been in the real in a real res she was a volunteer five she is a volunteer firefan so what happens that she was in the boat when she realized and they went to the rescue of a lot of people over some on the rooftop of some houses and what happened is that um they put the first Mothers and CH and children in on the boat but there were more there were she told me 16 people that would be left and um the day you know the the sun was going down so it it would it was going to be dark and supposedly you have lanterns or but I don't think they were even thinking because it's so surreal even the firefighters I don't think they were um trained enough so what happens then when she she's a she's a mother we know all uh what happens to the body when you in the hormones when you are breastfeeding so when she saw that some children were going to be on the rooftop and the night was falling and she said no uh take them and I will wait with the other people but the other people the the the really small children but there were children that stayed in the rooftop like um five six year old so first the babies went to the boat and she told me that uh her colleagues never came back never came back so at this point she was uh with 16 people including small children and then she said well I'm going down she was with the special clothes and know I'm going down to see if my uh my feet you know have some kind of uh hold or something and uh she was she was in holding some iron stuff and then maybe if I'm if I can walk uh because she knew that some meters ahead uh there was a way to find some Higher Ground then we can um the other people and I can put the the small children over our shoulders but when she stepped on the ground there was you know no Fe no way she there was no step place where she could stay and then it was totally dark and the mothers and and the the children that were there they were saying don't leave us don't leave us and

w no Fe no way she there was no step place where she could stay and then it was totally dark and the mothers and and the the children that were there they were saying don't leave us don't leave us and said no I'm not going to leave you I'm going to save you save you then she she said she started praying she started talking to God God I don't want to die I have my baby I don't want my baby to grow up without a mother um he doesn't have a father he a uh one yearold boy and um I don't want these mothers to you know to die I don't want these children to die you have to help me but it's like she was telling God you have to help me you know really with a willpower and you know with a connection uh help help me not oh thinking about can you help me there no you help you cannot leave you know let this children die and then suddenly she doesn't she can't explain how she saw because it was totally dark no light at all she saw like a it was um a shadow of something and she doesn't know how she managed to walk to this towards this Shadow and it was a boat and it was a boat with one man that had came to take some furniture from his house and then she she said no I will help you to take furniture later I'm here with 16 people we have to save them so I don't know the size she can't even say the size of the boat they didn't argue whatever but she me managed to put everybody on the boat and she saved all of them 16 people including four five yearold children and of course uh when she came back uh she was of course happy but she couldn't you know understand very well what happened so when you talk to people that's something really important you have to of course let them speak speak because it's a katars is we say like in Latin you have to speak you have to uh remember some things even if it's difficult because first of all you have to know that you have people that you can share the experience with and the people uh uh the person it usually we ask for a professional the professional

f it's difficult because first of all you have to know that you have people that you can share the experience with and the people uh uh the person it usually we ask for a professional the professional that is trained because of course you have to have empathy but you cannot suffer the suffering of the person you have to be uh real um you know sensitive to the suffering but not suffer the suffering because otherwise you won't be able to say anything that will help uh you have to have compassion of course you have to understand the person the the in a bro in the broadest way that you that imaginable that you can right but also you have to understand that is a person having a difficult situation uh we call um we have to um I'm not going to use technical words but you have to pay attention to your own feelings because sometimes you connect to the person and you you you suffer the suffering of the person then you if you do that you're are not going to help because you have to evaluate the resources that the person has to heal herself or himself right and this person has a a very intense spirituality this W this lady this woman I asked her about her concept of God and then if she thought about and she said no it is I believe in God and I'm almost like yung in face to face when he's asked do you believe in God and he believe I don't believe I know so she didn't say I know she's a very you know um she doesn't have a lot of uh study I don't think she even went to high school but she has a wisdom right and she said she almost said um yes I know I know I believe I know and in Portuguese it would be I know uh and she said and I talked to him and I said you can't you can't she was saying that let us die because there is children I have a small baby so she showed a lot of willpower so even if she was very traumatized having difficult to to sleep she hadn't realized the strength of her faith in God and this is something that we know psychiatrist and psychologist have to understand

o even if she was very traumatized having difficult to to sleep she hadn't realized the strength of her faith in God and this is something that we know psychiatrist and psychologist have to understand respect um the the person's religion and evaluate what we call the religious coping right if it's positive if it's negative because if the person thinks oh God is punishing me well then it's very negative coping uh then we have to talk a little bit about that but the way for instance this person uh and she had a very positive uh religious coping right and her spirit her spirituality is very developed you know so I think this helped her a lot not only saving people but also when we talked of course then she needed a professional she uh she realized her own strength and she said well I'm feeling better already because the healer is inside all of us and the Healer it's not that the psychiatrist or psychologist is going to save or heal anyone because the person is traumatized and has to to find the meaning of what happened but the meaning is not given it's inside the person not outside the person can I can I interrupt here because I I really appreciate you you taking the time especially as it's still immersed in in what's going on where you are right um so you give us a very interesting perspective I I actually heard somebody said pictures will not give you the gravity of the situation so I really appreciate that an but one of the things that you you you start to talk about is um on what you giv um from a prono perspect but you are supporting those that are like this fire fighter going through some trauma and I what can we do right there's so much that we can think about in and I you know rattled some Financial figures about Katrina for example but there's so much and it's really an amazing show of solidarity globally as well as locally of individuals providing um food and clothing etc etc for the victim but from an emotional perspective um can you give us um an indication uh for me for example I don't

ity globally as well as locally of individuals providing um food and clothing etc etc for the victim but from an emotional perspective um can you give us um an indication uh for me for example I don't have an academic um uh formation I don't have uh a degree in in Psychology what can I do to help those that perhaps are going through at the pet of Despair uh going through trauma going through this um sense of uh absolute despair because they don't see an end like you said there is it's still playing right and it may play for several more weeks if not months what can we do to help and and most importantly if you could after you talked about how we can help what is the the role of giving meaning to something that you don't have the history behind you to to provide that meaning I I keep thinking of uh Victor Franco uh during his this beautiful work that he did of course as uh uh someone who was living through World War II in a concentration camp and while he was there suffering he also had some very important um uh Theory and important words in in his theory in his books on giving meaning to suffering can you talk to that if you don't mind yes so thank you and if I just go ahead and you just remind me of of the questions so the first one is what people can do I I have been researching an what we call anomalous experiences that are spiritual experiences and I started many many years ago with u reading actually some colleagues research about uh prayers from the distance and there are um uh actually research on that and the impact in people that are receiving prayers but they don't know that they are receiving and they are in the hospital for instance comparing to people that are in the hospital and are not receiving prayers and what some research so show and it doesn't matter the religion okay and even if the person has or doesn't have a religion uh but what the the researches show is that um prayer for the people for the person has a huge impact uh what our science doesn't know

ligion okay and even if the person has or doesn't have a religion uh but what the the researches show is that um prayer for the people for the person has a huge impact uh what our science doesn't know yet how to explain that but science is the rational thinking about a phenomena that it's observed so we cannot say that we are not seeing the evidence right and that we are not observing because we are even if we don't know how to explain yet we we have all the coming together of for instance quantum physics information people in United States are talking a lot about a field that incom encompasses everything right we can call God of course but and that how we communicate with this field so the intention and we study Jan dangeles right so and spiritist knowled andsy psych and you dep psycholog so the collective unconscious uh where we all come psychologically uh talking psychologically talking we come as one in this Collective unconscious this this transpersonal dimension of the pych so if I just send to people actually we we are doing this regularly with my group I have a prayer group and people say that in uh really they feel the energy like um emanating their body emanating uh energy you know light and energy for all that are suffering right and not only in our state but you know in all over the world and especially where people are suffering and with Wars and all this stuff so and usually maybe we have to study more but when we are feeling and when we are in the eye of the hurricane as I told you it's like it it gets stronger you know so lately I will uh tell you something here because uh we are in a private conversation that only a some thousand people are going to be listening to but we are in our human family right so lately maybe because I have some development in my um uh medanis capacities I'm working on that but in more like in intuitions don't have other kind of manifestations at this point but lately I have been feeling when we are sending prayers and VI vibrating for our state and for

m working on that but in more like in intuitions don't have other kind of manifestations at this point but lately I have been feeling when we are sending prayers and VI vibrating for our state and for people I'm feeling physical uh like it's no like an El electric electricity is like running through my body and I can feel my hands really warm so I just imagined because of course we know a little bit about the brain and as psychiatrists and um we know like hormones and all this stuff but we know our physiology of the spirituality I have been studying this too but um and we know when we study like the spiritist um knowledge when we put everything together then we know that our body manifests what our soul the loving energy the healing energy and this really gets to people and really helps you know um to at least to minimize a little bit The Suffering of everyone but I just wanted to say Mara to tell you something and everybody else that is are listening to us that something really important uh the concepts of empathy and compassion maybe sometime in another podcast we have talked about that but we have to pay attention because we have to be empathic with people that there are this empathy fatigue we say uh especially with volunteers and um you know medical personnel and health personnel that are helping to take care of others because what happens is that if empathy usually you feel other PE the the other person or other people's pain you know it's the capacity you know to PE to place yourself in other people's shoes we say right uh and to feel their pain but if we don't pay attention this is important to understand how people are suffering because usually if you see in on the TV or read in the newspaper you're going to oh what a shame but it's not the same thing when you are there volunteering or when you are there trying to help uh so you are looking at the at the suffering and you of course you are feeling the suffering but if you go in this direction you will there's a big

e volunteering or when you are there trying to help uh so you are looking at the at the suffering and you of course you are feeling the suffering but if you go in this direction you will there's a big chance of you getting depression or even yourself getting post-traumatic um syndrome right stress syndrome so it's very important to work you know to observe our feelings to know our limits to help the way we can and not the way that other people tell us to do and to connect with uh the concept of compassion is because compassion is more uh we are more like by the side of and taking action right but not exactly connecting to the feeling we have to disconnect a little bit uh to help when you go there and um now this is very important an um especially as you have witnessed uh live the empathy fatigue from the volunteers just I don't know if you have any additional uh content that you wanted to add here I know that you have been um one of the coordinators of a an amazing uh event of a number of people discussing from their perspective specifically from a spiritual perspective uh on on this event that hugu is going through but uh I wanted to to talk a little bit about uh the meaning if you want but before I go there just do you have any any thoughts that you want to share with the with the audience uh actually I mean I'm uh it's being such an emotional day I think you know and with what an um also shared with us there are so many things that uh are happening that has been the consequence of of this flood there this tragedy but I mean just knowing that we can do something right I mean we we can have sympathy for everything that is happening we can have empathy because I can correlate with uh with the situation but I think now we are all called to uh compassion because compassion means I I I hear you I understand what you're going through and I'm going to go the uh The Next Step what can I do to make it better so it's you know handson action and I think in a way you know and thank

s I I I hear you I understand what you're going through and I'm going to go the uh The Next Step what can I do to make it better so it's you know handson action and I think in a way you know and thank you so much uh Anna Dr f for you know using your your knowledge your expertise to uh help all these people that are going to trauma because of course at first we are going to be thinking about you know you know losing everything that is material but there's so much trauma and and and people and and and loved ones of course but there is so much trauma behind all that and like you said we we we we can pray we can offer you know our understanding we can try to be close to those people and just say I'm here for you whatever you need and really meage yes because you know it's not just oh okay I sympathize or no I'm here for you is there anything that I can do to make it better to alleviate the burden that you're going through now absolutely I think this is you know is the purpose of all that and this is the reason why we decided to to have the special edition because not only we have to to to demonstrate our support and and and having the possibility of having someone that is living there and that is seeing up close the situation and that is working on it yeah it it should Inspire us it should motivate us and should remind us of how our Humanity but above all of our Brotherhood absolutely and there is all there is and what we can do right now and regardless of how much we can contribute either financially or with time as a volunteer or anything else but uh we have to do something it's we cannot just cross our arms and say oh okay there are there are events like that happening all around yeah there are events happening all around and we should be there for them all the time as well yeah yeah but uh thank you thank you josar and thank you an um if I may because we have just a couple more minutes uh I was hoping that um just to share a little bit about Victor Frankle right so Victor Frankle

but uh thank you thank you josar and thank you an um if I may because we have just a couple more minutes uh I was hoping that um just to share a little bit about Victor Frankle right so Victor Frankle who passed in 1997 he was um Austrian neurologist he was a psychologist he was a philosopher but most important he was a holocaust Survivor as I mentioned and he founded this um few study called logo therapy and he wrote this book that uh I think every person must read it uh men's search for meaning where he he was able to capture the horrors of that experience and really look for meaning but one of the things that uh he said that I wanted to leave that and perhaps have an talk a little bit about those words he says in that book between stimulus and response there's a space in that space is our power to choose our response in our response lies our growth and our freedom so I think with those words and I I I just really Echo what you were speaking earlier on attributed meaning to an event that we don't know yet what that meaning is but what about giv and create that space so that you go inside of you to find that resilience to find that self strength that uh the firefighter the volunteer firefighter had in her case perhaps was her child right the baby that gave her strength but how can we all if you part uh we finish our our uh conversation today with The Parting words on how can we create that space between an event and our own Inner Strength yeah I think it's uh great that you um you read this sentence by Victor frankon and um since I'm Yan I'm talking about this y perspective uh and I think he he found this space because it doesn't matter the theory that you connect more we are all humans and it's going to be different perspectives of the same thing so this space I think it for me it's our soul okay and our soul is a mystery uh even for our egos the complexity the depths of our soul and in this space we find ourselves so it's in the dark we say The Dark Night of the soul in the this dark

oul okay and our soul is a mystery uh even for our egos the complexity the depths of our soul and in this space we find ourselves so it's in the dark we say The Dark Night of the soul in the this dark nights that we find find our light you know and as he did and I I'm just going to give you another example we have a lot of people all around the globe I have family in England also and um my sister-in-law who is British she was um very upset with the story of the horse Caramelo there caramel I think everybody know knows about because it you know it went in the social media and um then my brother her husband had to show her the next day that he was saved can you can you tell us for those who do not see um the photograph of this horse nicknamed caramel that was found S standing on top of a roof rightly and and it was rescued but if you want to describe that perhaps and how rescuing animals is really for those that perhaps for whatever reason are givings a space with this human suffering but it is with the suffering of animals and rescue to animals that a number of individuals are coming through with their emotional response to this catastrophe well I'm I'm sorry I'm not in the social medias I think I'm like a dinosaur dinosaur from I'm not I have to preserve myself because of my profession I feel this need uh but I saw some pictures I didn't even knew about because I was working a lot these days you must imagine but I I think the name caramel because the color brownish something right and it was very cute and you know the animals everybody wants to survive every every living being it's a struggle for Life in beautiful that we have this Instinct of life and he was saved and for the gaos because you know they deal with cattle and all so the horse is like an extension of their bodies let's say right so it's very very important and caramel was saved everyone you just you can put caramel H the Su Brazil and you're going to see all the you know and his being saved and all this stuff but I

say right so it's very very important and caramel was saved everyone you just you can put caramel H the Su Brazil and you're going to see all the you know and his being saved and all this stuff but I think what's really important an um Yung talks about the psych our psych as being part of nature I think he's the the first psychologist and Psychiatry it was both that talks about you know ecology in this sense and psychologically speaking that we are part of nature so the interconnectedness of everything is a spiritual value and a spiritual concept and we are living this for it's very hard we feel a lot our egos feel a lot but when we come together helping each other we really feel this love that we are supposed to feel right and to learn how to feel for everyone even people that we don't know but we can connect to to um each one and um animals are sensient beings right they have emotions they have Consciousness also it's not the same as ours of course it's not reflexive but um they have a their own Consciousness uh way of thinking they have emotions everybody has pths nowadays and all that and I just before we go there was a person and she loves animals she told me and we have lots of shelters for people and people and animals lots and lots of shelters that people really came together helping each other not waiting for help from outside that it's very welcome now because the state is destroyed but uh everybody came together so she told me that she went she loves animals and she went in the shelter in one of the shelters with it was a around 2,000 cats and dogs can you imagine that and of of course was like a lot of volunteers but you have a lot of things and the dogs were barking all the same time they were really scared and she said she she didn't know what to do she was one of the first to arrive other people were cleaning giving food but the dogs wouldn't you know start stop barking so she she was like in Despair and she imagined the ego or someone that loves and has connect

e first to arrive other people were cleaning giving food but the dogs wouldn't you know start stop barking so she she was like in Despair and she imagined the ego or someone that loves and has connect totally so she kept doing this please please don't bark so loud let let's stay calm but she was really nervous her ego and she started doing that uh and suddenly she remember um Francis of aisi and she's starting connect please s St Francis help me help me here uh help me they they must C down they are really scared and she started doing like a mantra you know and connecting with St Francis and suddenly her hands she told me her hands started getting really warm and of course uh she is a spiritist and so she but she she was not thinking of that she was not she didn't pray before she couldn't she was so she was suffering so much because of the the you know the pets the the dogs and and the cats and then suddenly she she just felt her hands and it she just realized she was giving like a VI vibration and she was giving healing energy and the dogs started uh you know calming down I love that I love this example let's you know come together and let's connect to our faith and with our higher selves and with the the higher uh spirituality like our friends and even this is parents that are in the spiritual Realms that are being able to help us um at this point Point um with whatever um warms our hearts because as Yun says the heart has a memory of what's uh healthier and better for the soul than the mind yes this is beautiful I I'm I'm I'm sorry we are at time I could stay here much longer because you you are giv a picture that is so multifaceted and and so deep in terms of different um references to how um Union psychology can read those situations so I really appreciate that thank you we are praying we're sending our prayers to every single family every single person every single animal impacted and I appreciate you being here with our wholehearted appreciation thank you an

ank you we are praying we're sending our prayers to every single family every single person every single animal impacted and I appreciate you being here with our wholehearted appreciation thank you an thank you Jada and we'll see everyone next week thank you