Ep 44 - Dreams - Pt 2

hello everyone welcome to the psychology in spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia trano and with me are Dr anay fona and Jada corn good if this is your first time watching this podcast like program please note that our program the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Jo andna deangeles and we're here in this very informal discussion to offer a safe space to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from a psychological lens and bringing insights actionable tips and real world advice to help all of us lead a better life in today's episode we'll continue our discussion on dreams we had quite a lot of fun last time when we were together but today we're g to perhaps bring the discussion further onto the definitions the Notions of what symbols and symbolisms is and um maybe we will have time to do a bit of discussion on dream interpret ation but before we start I would like to recognize the sponsoring organizations umy Brazil TV manin the international spirs Council and the United States spiritist Federation make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't already done so and if you want to know more about this program and many others please check us out at www.sirius.com don't forget to write down your questions thoughts feedback and uh we are eager to read them and if we have time we will address them today otherwise we'll address them in the near future an S I hope you're doing well and I would like to start today with an because an you introduced um Freud's and Jung's approach to dream right in dream interpretation and then je you came in later and you talked about spiritism a very uh notion of what is dreams in relationship to that uh Immortal soul that uh multiple Incarnation or corporeal existences that belong to our um experience as as such but let's talk a little bit about what symbolism is Ana can you take a step and at talking to us about the definition of symbols and how we can use symbolism in

belong to our um experience as as such but let's talk a little bit about what symbolism is Ana can you take a step and at talking to us about the definition of symbols and how we can use symbolism in this idea of dream interpretation so hello everyone it's a pleasure to be here again with you all yes and so we were talking about the language of the soul the psych the way that our higher self our um actually Asel says our Spirit right talks to the ego that uh is our Consciousness here in this personality and the only way soada was uh talking also about uh different lives different past lives and all the learning and that the way we were talking about Plato's friend right just and what I didn't learn at that point uh that maybe now it's the way many incarnations later uh I I have the exact conditions let's say to experience again to make to make a whole of everything that I have experienced felt or thought in uh in some learning that my spirit is trying to achieve let's say so the the symbol symbols the symbolic M um language is the language of the unconscious and just in the previous episode said very well that uh remind us all that J J says that the life of the spirit happens in the unconscious right um because of course the ego the poor ego is a much smaller Consciousness let's say because it's trying to make sense and to live this life and to adapt uh to the outside world and the inner World also so uh the the higher self the the self capital S Young self uh and as Joanna says our spirit uh is trying to of course send message to the ego right so to to help this development to help this learning that the py our soul uh is trying to achieve in this R in this Incarnation so um our site Yung Yung says that the symbols then would be the best possible representation of something that can never be known fully and he was then dedicated um to creating in his patient the ability to reflect and live life on a symbolic rather than a simply literal uh level but why then let's um a

g that can never be known fully and he was then dedicated um to creating in his patient the ability to reflect and live life on a symbolic rather than a simply literal uh level but why then let's um a little bit more of Yung so Yung says we call a symbol a concept A F a figure or a name that can be known to us in itself uh but whose content use or usefulness are specific or strange indicating a hidden obscure and unknown meaning this is yung's terms but why hidden obscure or unknown meaning because it's in the unconscious and in our poor egos our Consciousness okay the ego as the center of Consciousness is trying to make sense of things but usually the let's say figuratively the you uh the ego is looking ahead he doesn't have he's not capable of an expanded um you know um to look in a way that it's a broader way expand the way that he's looking look to the Past look to the you know to in Pay attentions to intuitions to even dreams our dreams as we said in the previous episode they they flow let's say the unconscious and they sleep through our fingers like like sand right so it's very important to understand that the symbol is trying to uh to send us a message but uh so the symbol has different meanings that deepen let's say that go deeper in the unconscious why is that because our higher s all this knowledge all this purpose all this um this uh need to evolve is the in the high in our higher self and is trying to connect to and send message to the ego so Yung always says a concept or a figure is symbolic when it means more than it indicates or expresses they have an all encompassing unconscious aspect that is never exhausted or precisely defined because of our poor egos right he can't understand partially so even Yung for instance he would stay with the images of his dreams for years and he would uh really uh discover new meanings as life went on and he remembered oh but then I had that dream now it makes sense because the ego is living this experien is connecting dots let's say

s and he would uh really uh discover new meanings as life went on and he remembered oh but then I had that dream now it makes sense because the ego is living this experien is connecting dots let's say right um so Yung says as there are many things that are Beyond human comprehension we often use consciously or unconsciously symbolic Concepts and figures when dealing with them with this all this stuff that it's uh you know that the ego can't sometimes make sense right so we not only use symbols Yung says but we also spontaneously produce them in our dreams of course because of our higher selves our Spirits are producing dream um symbols so that I can send message through the to the ego to our egos I will make a quick um I'll tell you a a very quick dream of a young woman so that it would make it simple to people to understand simpler to people to understand so it's a a young woman from a medical field okay that dreams of a Nazi chasing her and whom she ends up killing by throwing him into a ditch of course this is the the image it's a summary of the Dre so this young woman she has many working demands and a very busy schedule she is a very modern woman right with which she doesn't seem to be able to cope these days because she has had uh she has had a hard time saying no to invitations to for lectures and such okay so the the rigid and aggressive aspect of her personality which is unconscious of course it's represented where in the Nazi okay in the the symbol of the N so it's a metaphor that her higher self her unconscious is bringing forth to the ego to Consciousness to wake up look here inside here there is this character this aspect of your personality that is chasing you let's say right so we can interpret as a rigid and aggressive aspect of her personality which is unconscious and it's represented by the nazim and her um the ego her ego tries to run from it in the first moments of the dream and eventually um tries or achieve the killing of it okay but let's Wonder

conscious and it's represented by the nazim and her um the ego her ego tries to run from it in the first moments of the dream and eventually um tries or achieve the killing of it okay but let's Wonder together by throwing it in on a ditch okay uh this aspect killing something or someone that bothers me that I feel like an enemy okay it's it's an archetype uh also image because as human beings we are always oh this is my enemy so I have to kill I have to get rid of it right right yeah so in many in all the cultures and all our history we are still and we have had where we were talking about our best friend Jesus that uh 2,000 years ago from their own and previously but have been as many other Masters but uh of course Jesus was the one teaching us about unconditional love love thy enemy right as yourself love love all of us must love one another so but when I feel like an enemy I want be I want to that's my aggressive part answer is to get rid of it and we unfortunately are still doing it these days uh in different cultures in different people all around the world because we still haven't yet learning we are in the process of learning because we have had many many last Wars for instance that in the past but we still as human beings haven't learned yet that we are not supposed to do that that we're supposed to love our enemies so I was just giving an example it's also an archetypal issue okay in all of us human beings learn to love our enemies but here it's in an individual so the Nazi it's all of course an aggressive represents an aggressive and rigid part of her personality that is chasing the ego right and that the ego at some point decides to get rid of and throws into a ditch so this action of killing the enemy throwing the Nazi into on a ditch may represent a difficulty to integrate Marsha talked about the shadow last episode also so to integrate this part of her personality by throwing it back to the unconscious because the ditch is you know it's dark it's and

culty to integrate Marsha talked about the shadow last episode also so to integrate this part of her personality by throwing it back to the unconscious because the ditch is you know it's dark it's and um it's down so it's a classical metaphor of something very unconscious uh and the Nancy was chasing her okay and the dream all aspects all symbols of the dreams re relate to the person that is dreaming so she was not talking with The N he is bad he's aggressive he wants to kill her and she she never stopped to talk to the the guy let's say to this symbolic image so it could be a warning all this dream could be a warning of course who is producing the higher self the so the the spirit the as R says it could be a warning about how she deals with this aspect of her personality and from of course from her higher self to the ego conscious okay Consciousness so it's complex but how are we going to know killing that part it's okay it's a way that the ego is trying to get rid of this a all this aggression uh as Freud says is um repressing and discharging uh because it's a conflict between the ego and this part of the her personality so is discharging this repressed uh issue or uh we could think that it's um a warning let's say of don't go that way talk to this guy you know make peace try to integrate try to because we all need some aggressive parts right if we don't have a a part that is aggressive not in projecting this onto other people but just to be able to do something that like say a work that I don't want to do a lot very much today but I need you know I need to get out of bed I need to you know take care of myself and I need well we need a little aggression let's say aggressive part of us to wake up and make us do oh but I want to stay in bed no go there wake up brush your teeth come your head go ahead so we need that part but this part has to be in peace with other parts of myself cannot be a conflict and you know it's the Met for it's of course of a Nazi so uh we all know that it was a

ad go ahead so we need that part but this part has to be in peace with other parts of myself cannot be a conflict and you know it's the Met for it's of course of a Nazi so uh we all know that it was a part in our very sad in our history of of a lot of aggression and a lot of feeling the others as enemy and trying to kill and all this stuff and making War so the metaphor is very strong because the ego is feeling that part uh as a very is very afraid of that part okay now I leave it to you guys do you want to go because I I I could say my own interpretation of this very telling uh dream I love it right on one hand there's somebody really pliant and aggressive there's an aggression uh underneath because an accomplished person who's doing things presentation working very busy and it requires that right but at the same time she sees in herself through the dream of the Nazi and to me this is my own interpretation the Nazi yes hated a a really uh difficult um historical point in all of our Lives akin to the Crusades the Inquisition Etc right this this very dark uh symbolism but at the same time I interpret as completely submissive those Nazi soldiers were submissive to a higher order uh Hitler and all right the the concept of Purity and uh saving the Aryan uh race the Germans and this blind uh blind uh disciplined approach to to executing those orders and so is this the enemy and how do I what does it say do I want to to take away this BL mind uh in in very uh submissive view through aggression aggressive behavior or do I continue to to be very open and submissive to not so orderly this is my interpretation I am not the psycho analyst here but I'd love to hear Jada talking a little bit about her take on this this um not only this dream right J but perhaps if you can talk to the the the audience here a little bit about how does spiritism speak to to to different aspects of um uh you know somnambulism or transs or mediumistic trans and how do do they come to us uh from that uh bringing to

ence here a little bit about how does spiritism speak to to to different aspects of um uh you know somnambulism or transs or mediumistic trans and how do do they come to us uh from that uh bringing to surface what is hidden from us perhaps a lot a lot on you just side a few fre to to to explain as you speak okay hello everyone Hi an Marcia uh well taking the example that just gave uh let us uh refer to here to a passage from one of the books of shanan is the moral laws of life where she says that the world of the dreams will tell us about deep psychological processes and spiritual experiences symbolize it in a mi mixture of contents so here uh we see the whole situation but by the way this person is not me okay Al I sympathize it so much with what she was saying being overwhelmed with so many things and work and talks and not saying no said oh it could be me but let's clarify that okay it's not me yet so here Jan deangel say we say what is it the psychological process that is all behind that that's one thing that we have to to think about it and uh referring to our last episode as well when Dr Anna talked about you know the symbols that uh you know the same symbol May and maybe uh may have a different interpretation for uh you know for people right and when and also Maria I was remembering about your example when your husband visiting re and Brazil and the and Etc and I think when Marcia dreams about is not what you is going to bring about mango it's not the mango but it's going to be for you your hometown and all the emotional content that exactly that's right so for you it's going to be something I mean I love mango but it's going to be OD it's not the same thing so here even when we talk about the Nazi uh what is the representation of the Nazi uh I mean one of the representation that we could say it's a strict persecutor yes and there is no NE very good point negociating with this is strict persecutor so the best thing that I can do just get myself rid of it right put the dust under the rug and

t's a strict persecutor yes and there is no NE very good point negociating with this is strict persecutor so the best thing that I can do just get myself rid of it right put the dust under the rug and forget about it but it's there like anay said sooner or later we will have to deal with that the reason why this person uh made this or translated you know this overwhelming uh into the figure of a Nazi then is a particular thing for us it could be like a monster or it could be a strict parent it could or or or or a teacher in school what Joanna de angelist keeps on telling in this same same U message she says that we have to be very careful not to interpret psychological symbols as concrete experiences in the world of the spirit so since we were talking about when I dream I my spirit kind liberates not detached completely but liberates from my physical body and then I will have let's say a lead a double life I'm a double agent in the realm of the living and the other one in the the realm of the real living people or Spirits right so I'll have this double life which sometimes you know I that is you know the expertise in this field it's really a double life right that we will see people that are very shy and behaved and this in the you know in The Awakening stage and then when they talk about their dreams it's okay so uh this situation here it doesn't mean uh then we are going to take it literally that when she was sleeping there was a Nazi spirit that was still persecuting her so this is why one of the angelist is saying although yes the unconsciously most of the time is related to the experiences that we have as a Spirits during our dream state it doesn't mean that the way we bring those experiences into you know uh our conscious level and the way we label them that they they represented exactly that so there was not Nazi maybe it was just her feeling you know or talking to someone and explaining about all the things but the way that she brought to her to her mind symbolically speaking is that there was

re was not Nazi maybe it was just her feeling you know or talking to someone and explaining about all the things but the way that she brought to her to her mind symbolically speaking is that there was someone persecuting me and this someone it's hard not to putting limits and not respecting what she has to do so and as Angel is also saying just for to wrap it up that for us not to think that all symbols are of spiritual origin as well so in this case it doesn't mean like I said there was a Nazi persecuting her um because in real in the real life of the spirit but it's just a symbol representing also uh this pressure that we have that comes from from our unconscious from the unconscious level you know with the w with the sum total of what we are and we are not paying attention sometimes you know um ourself is telling our our ego count down yes yeah pay attention to you know to to yourself to you know the weaknesses of your bodies you're not that young anymore your mind is not that sharp but you know but what do we want to refuse for one way or another because you know especially when when we we getting older we we start think no I'm still capable of doing everything I'm still capable of working 12 hours of doing this and that and my mind is as sharp as was before no we know that this is not this is not what physical life represents so this is what she says for us to be very careful not to mix up this content which means or or or it which doesn't mean that we should not consider both aspects yeah can I say something here just I want you to continue with that J but what comes to my mind is the fact that there are uh three main causes for alterate State of Consciousness right number one everybody in the world will have which is dreams the dreams is an outer State of Consciousness and that's what we're talking here the other and is uh mediumistic trans is an altered state of consciousness and we can talk about hypnotic right using hypnosis and uh many for instance psychiatrists are

that's what we're talking here the other and is uh mediumistic trans is an altered state of consciousness and we can talk about hypnotic right using hypnosis and uh many for instance psychiatrists are using hypnosis to bring about trauma or or being able to discuss say phobias etc etc but we talk about dream and the dream interpretation and the symbolism that come through this altered state and you alluded uh just added to um another aspect of dream which we we discuss a lot in the spiritist environment or mil which is the the sense of the encounter of spirits to hear more from that of course yeah it is a very complex and we are not talking about it now we have another to talk about it but dreams and even prophetic dreams they are not of a medium Mystic nature okay they are of a psychic nature okay which is different so when we are talking about dreams uh in this sense uh right and when we have prophetic dreams and when you know dreams that we are talking to to Spirit um um it's of a psychic nature meaning coming from the so own soul and not as with an intermediary right because then it would no longer be us or what I have in my conscience but it would be somebody else so it's it's not in the mediumship field but can yeah can you please can you please define what do you mean by that for for the audience that does not know what what is a mediumistic exchange just add just real quickly sometimes especially when we talking about Visions uh it's very complicated because you know let let's see if I can make it clear I may be watching Star Trek okay on my cell phone on my computer or on a big string screen or on the the TV okay there are different means for me to see the same image correct okay one of the means is going to be through the in interference in and in a in a good sense okay of a 30 part which is going to be a spirit so in this case the spirit is bringing me let's say the image the the picture that is going to be I will be receiving in my mind it was not myself who went to a place and saw it

s going to be a spirit so in this case the spirit is bringing me let's say the image the the picture that is going to be I will be receiving in my mind it was not myself who went to a place and saw it when I go to a place and see it whether it be the past the present or the future it's me with the possibilities of my spirit as anima meaning Soul meaning psychic abilities accessing this information so all the dreams uh whether I I mean I I'm having a dream um most of the times we are going to refer to prophetic dreams it doesn't mean if it's going to be accomplished tomorrow or in a 100 years right but it means I have access to that okay I may have met Spirits as well but uh it would it's me it's my it's my soul it's myself and not with how we understand mediumship uh as being I'm an I I'm just the messenger okay the I mean the spirit is just is is using us to bring and we are relaying reporting what we are seeing I can I take a step at my own personal definition of medium one thing there are several cases of psychic abilities uh there there's the that sometimes people because they don't go into deep the studies they consider to be Med ship but here when we say that we are not saying that one is better than the other we're just saying they are of different categories okay so I'm not saying oh if you are a medion is better than me a psychic and actually many medion are psychics and there are people that are only will have psychic abilities like for instance healing that can just be related to themselves and not with the participation or the co- participation of the spirit so in the field of dream we're not talking medion ship okay all right so very good so just to confirm and I'd love to hear also anay talking about this because this is quite interesting right subject we we could really dissect all the the inputs into many different uh streams of conversation here but for me J the best way this is an image that I come to mind if we are to talk about mediumship we are really

ld really dissect all the the inputs into many different uh streams of conversation here but for me J the best way this is an image that I come to mind if we are to talk about mediumship we are really almost like the medium is just a microphone right relaying or amplifying or making it heard a message from a spiritual Dimension into the material Dimension and you you corrected so this is really good uh insight for all of us during dreams if you are bringing those prophetic or dreams from the past this is really you accessing your own own archives of memories that you have a present past or future and you bring it through your own symbolism might be our our experiences okay some call it astral travel as well it doesn't have it's it's it's not Medan ship sure it is psychic it is psychic ability and do you want to add to this conversation this is quite interesting interesting and I was listening to you guys and I remembered some um yung's dreams that I would love to love to you talking a little about that in his books memories dreams Reflections he talks about uh let's talk about especially one dream uh that he had with his deceased uh wife Emma Yung okay I'll just tell uh quickly and then U probably I think it connects pretty well with what uh you guys were talking about about visions and about of course the difference between Med and ship and but maybe we could call this uh spiritual meeting let's say in dreams that it's uh everything is different right than the medam mytic uh um the median in Connection in an alter State of Consciousness connecting with the spirit in a awake let's say State of Consciousness but in dreams right and and this encounter with the spirit so uh Yung says that Emma Yung appeared to him in a dream as if in a vision he uses this expression as if in a vision she had taken a position at some distance and was looking straight at me this is what was a dream okay she was in her prime about 30 years old and was wearing the dress that my cousin the

in a vision she had taken a position at some distance and was looking straight at me this is what was a dream okay she was in her prime about 30 years old and was wearing the dress that my cousin the medium and we know we know it was elen price the name of his cousin had made for her perhaps the most beautiful dress she had ever worn a lot of symbolisms also yeah so her face was neither happy nor sad but expressed understanding and objective knowledge without the slightest sentimental reaction beyond the disturbance of the affections I knew it wasn't her Yung says but an image composed or provoked by her in my intention in that image was contained the beginning of our relationship because she was young the events of our 35 years of marriage and also the end of her life I think it's a beautiful uh dream and a very symbolic because we are we know um somebody that has read memers dreams reflection that uh y thesis to for graduation in medical school was um uh all written observing the sances with this cousin of his that was a median okay and um this cousin made this beautiful dress so there is also there are symbolisms in the the memory of the dream because Emma Yung was dead but also um the the vision and you know he he had a certainty uh look at that an image composed he said I knew it wasn't her but an image composed or provoked by her my intention so I'm thinking of what sh said that it wasn't probably uh the encounter he was not remembering in the The Encounter of the spirit of UNG in the dream okay uh but of course in a certain way uh there was a meeting because as said um citing uh Joanna dangeles that that everything the life of the spirit for us here happens in the unconscious mind because our ego that it's um represents representing the Consciousness our Consciousness cannot hold all this memory and all this knowledge of the spirit we are spirits incarnated so the soul is doing the job here the psych so of course we can understand that Yung had a Insight an intuition that in a certain

memory and all this knowledge of the spirit we are spirits incarnated so the soul is doing the job here the psych so of course we can understand that Yung had a Insight an intuition that in a certain way it was a a spiritual meeting he met let's say his deceased wife and he she was younger okay and she had this dress that his medidan uh the cousin made for her and look what he describes her face okay not with the emotion that we live here in in the personalities right with all the the the love the anger the sadness The Joy but he describes her her face was neither happy nor sad like a Serenity right we could say but expressing understanding in objective knowledge when we talk about object objective knowledge we are talking about this clarity that only the spirit have right so um I was thinking of this dream according because a colleague of mine interpret this dream J and Mara as a mediumistic dream because uh Emma Yung appears like a spiritual encounter because Emma Yung um appears to Yung appears in the dream uh like a young person like when she was around 30 and with all this um knowledge spiritual knowledge and without all this emotions that we experience but I'm thinking uh here in Jada that it it sounds more like she as a spirit uh made this Vision so that he could symbolically we were talking about the language of the Soul understand that she was in another dimension of life and she was in peace and everything was okay between them what do you think J and I would love to hear Mar yes it's very interesting because we have this tendency and you know better than us of over and analyzing yeah right and um and so I it's interesting when people come to us knowing that we are spiritist and we have you know those spiritual values whether they believe in life after death or not and the way they believe it uh um when we lose a loved one we all long for their presence and um in some way at least in the back of our mind mind we would like to to have the certainty that the

r not and the way they believe it uh um when we lose a loved one we all long for their presence and um in some way at least in the back of our mind mind we would like to to have the certainty that the somehow they they go on so people come and describe uh like we have this dream of Yung here of course it was not the case with him um you know in the sense of even though he was very spiritual and looked for many answers he didn't have this kind of knowledge so to him of course he's going to analyze from you know uh with with this more scientific his fge point of view and um and I mean it's so interesting the way that he describes everything the way she she presented herself which is uh really him uh putting symbols in what he was feeling when he saw her and of course from our perspective in terms of spiritual qu it in terms of spiritism this happens more often than we think it it's just that unfortunately we don't bring this those memories of spiritual encounters which is spiritual encounters because it's not because I meet a spirit oh then is medion ship that's what we were talking about when I meet a spirit is like phenomena when I see a spirit because someone uh let's say that I I have problem U seeing things and I need glasses to see thing something okay so uh the image is there I'm here the glasses is the spirit that is going to make possible for me to see something that is there so this is the Mion the the glass is the Mion okay so me roughly trying to to make it this complex topic a little more uh interesting and to everyone if I would be talking to a young jday and referring to this dream I would say you know what don't overanalyze saw the Spirit this means the this proves the immortality and everything you felt and describe it means that this spirit is a very good place place even by showing that is no longer succumbing to the unrel a world of emotions because you know emotion in the sense of Love Of Peace is very good but what we have in terms of you know giving more

lace even by showing that is no longer succumbing to the unrel a world of emotions because you know emotion in the sense of Love Of Peace is very good but what we have in terms of you know giving more passion swings and completely inbalance so this is uh this is uh What uh I say when people come what do you think it it does it means this dream and I say you know what it doesn't matter what the mean the dreams mean what matters is that you you saw your mom you saw your father you saw someone that you're you love it so much and this person presented to you very lucid very s self centered in this sense what more do you want right and um yeah so I I think it's very important for us to think about it and um and paying attention but at the same time especially when we are talking about those spiritual encounters what really happen is important is the spiritual encounter per se and and knowing that somehow because of the moment we going through that person is there very good so I think we're at the end of our time I think we could explore further the idea of those Altered States and how we can interpret and I love what you mentioned earlier an in terms of the language of symbols is is is quite a complex one because we have this universal language in those symbolism but also our very personal hence the illusion to my story about eating and translate what a mango meant to me which is exactly not what it means to the 99.99% of the rest of humanity so a good Le lesson for me but I wanted to in part and I'm going to be very silly here just to to to to bring light to this subject can I just say sure sure absolutely and what you know is just food for our thought yes and science does not explain because you know why a mango tastes so good you know and not so good to other people science cannot explain that yes no thank you thank you thank you thank you not everything is about science yes thank you really in savoring the savoring the experiences and and the emotional memory of eating the fruit

plain that yes no thank you thank you thank you thank you not everything is about science yes thank you really in savoring the savoring the experiences and and the emotional memory of eating the fruit that I used to eat when I was a a kid but I wanted to to to maybe um close with uh the thought process that uh um you know Sherlock Holmes fiction we know um Dan Browns uh Robert lingon who is completely fictional and uh made to to sell his books the the Angels and Demons the the Vinci Code etc etc right but what those two characters come to us in this discussion is the fact that oh my goodness they know they know they have that inherent uh superpower if you will of being able to look at something that is the plain sight to all but it's hidden except for that person that knows how to to uh interpret the language of symbols so with that I just wanted to say let us all uh percolate a little bit let us all think about simmer if you will on this idea that uh our dreams is really a natural way to surface things that we need to tell ourselves and somehow we don't have access to it uh an do you have any final thought Before We Say Goodbye just hope that everybody are able to uh is able to learn their own personal language of their own Souls so that we can all uh really go to the next level of our souls to evolve and to be happier and to learn this um this lesson that many many um Masters spiritual Masters come to teach us that love everybody love ourselves and integrate what and learn how to integrate what we reject absolutely thank you no thank you Jara any any final thoughts man just thank you well thank you everyone I just wanted to give a final plug to the fact that we spoke a lot about Joanna d'angeles we also talked about Freud and Yung but Joanna deangeles who is she for those who do not know she's a spiritual author that has worked diligently in collaboration with dealo Pera Franco and specifically we're bringing her works here through this uh series of talks or discussions of psychology and

's a spiritual author that has worked diligently in collaboration with dealo Pera Franco and specifically we're bringing her works here through this uh series of talks or discussions of psychology and spirituality in what we call the psychology series or the psychological collection where in those 16 books she brings many different concepts that are very um important for all of us to access to understand and and to grow with that but with that I want to say thank you so much for being with us and I hope to see you next week bye everyone