Ep 23 - Psychology and Spirituality | Emotions and Sensations pt 2

foreign welcome to this psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host mercy georgiano and with me today are Dr Anna Fonseca and Sinclair and jasada korngod thank you thank you so much all of you for joining me in this second episode about emotions feelings and Sensations in whatever order you may want to talk about them but I also want to thank you everyone who is joining us via this broadcast and also want to thank the several institutions that are bringing this program to US Army Brazil the United States spiritus Federation TV manzondo Camino and the international spiritus Council make sure if you haven't done so yet to subscribe it and if you want to check out additional details about this program please go 002 www.spiritis.us also I invite all of you to send us your comments feedback questions anything I'd love to hear from you and finally if you're interested in knowing more about this um the the sources for this program today please do read uh I especially uh recommend life challenges and solutions and I believe it's chapter four that is specifically on Sensations and emotions and the other book which is still in Portuguese my I think it's in the process of being translated there's an entire chapter chapter nine in its third part that is speaks of emotions Sensations in feelings themselves but with that I want to just uh tell you that I'm eager to get back to this topic with with the the the three of you and I wanted to say that uh last week we we left with a uh description um of a short paragraph at the second book chapter nine of reflecting the soul if it was in English uh and uh it says the following it's emotions and feelings that color our lives but we need to know how to choose the colors they're like forces that can either lead us to our personal hell or to the heaven of our best accomplishments can you help us understand this just a very complex topic emotions feelings and Sensations yes hello everybody it's a beautiful sentence for us to

nal hell or to the heaven of our best accomplishments can you help us understand this just a very complex topic emotions feelings and Sensations yes hello everybody it's a beautiful sentence for us to start this week with our program and I wanted to tell you everybody that Joanna when she combines a spiritus knowledge and psychology she encourages us to know and study ourselves in order to become truly authors of our own lives and no longer Spectators of an everyday tragedy that's Joanna's words so one of the things that I think it's important when Marcia was saying Sensations feelings and emotions is trying um to to see if there are differences between these Concepts right and we know that about emotions and feelings sometimes we they are practically synonymous okay but there are some differences important differences that I think help us to reflect upon this uh Concepts so we I think to start with that we can think that feeling is a complex effective State more stable and durable while emotion is an effective reaction that it's generally intense and momentary manifesting itself through various disturbances especially of a narrow vegetative nature remember the narrow vegetative it's not it's kind of a difficult word for a Brazilian in English but I talked about this all all the time because it's the system okay the neurologic system there is responsible for regulating functions of the visceras okay like respiration circulation uh digestion and excretion okay so the feelings are a mental attitude from the dimension of ideas fed by thoughts they are processes of evaluation and judgment while emotions take us by the gut we are talking about viscera right so for instance let's think of an example because we say then of course emotions are closer closely related to animal behavior like primitive Behavior so if I'm feeling anxious because I have a test okay a different um difficult tests to take or whatever and I haven't studied a lot or if I'm anxious about um recording a program in a podcast for

vior so if I'm feeling anxious because I have a test okay a different um difficult tests to take or whatever and I haven't studied a lot or if I'm anxious about um recording a program in a podcast for instance right and I I have for some reason I'm afraid also I'm anxious because I'm afraid uh and then I feel sometimes I I'm going to like my respiration gets quicker um I get all pink right my circulatory system is a lot of adrenaline right in the blood system so this uh this is a primitive emotion because I'm feeling challenged I'm I'm feeling afraid I'm I'm feeling um how could we say Martha I'm feeling that some I'm in danger of something yes yeah but of course I know that there is no danger in taking a test except that I can flank I can miss something I can go on I have to do it again study more or whatever well of course there's no uh no problem in talking with friends as we are enriching minds and hearts this is beautiful to think uh you know exchanging ideas but my primitive mind some primitive primitive aspects of myself I have done a lot of they have turned on on lights gender danger danger you know um so what happens is that my body is going to react my blood is a lot of Bloods going the circulatory system is going to be because the message of danger so it's going to be a lot of adrenaline and a lot of blood going on to the brain because we have to think more if I'm danger I have to have some Behavior to try to avoid Danger of course right but then there Comes A Feeling so the feeling remember people are from the dimension of the ideas of images it's beautiful isn't it yeah yeah it is it's quite similar but then I said well um in danger of what if I hold remember last week we were talking that I should hold my emotions because I'm learning with them right and then it for instance maybe there will a feeling will develop of Joy maybe oh I'm anxious but it's going to be great I'm going to be with friends and Mars and josada and I'm going to be talking about about a lot of

nstance maybe there will a feeling will develop of Joy maybe oh I'm anxious but it's going to be great I'm going to be with friends and Mars and josada and I'm going to be talking about about a lot of interesting things and then suddenly all the that anxiety turns into Joy maybe because then an idea an image came to my mind and you know to my psyche I don't know do you think it's clear enough this kind of example yeah yeah go ahead and I was just gonna say also like sometimes it's almost um when you embrace your emotion like you're saying like a baby I really like that image that you're using so it becomes less uh scary yeah so it's not like a ghost anymore or a shadow but it's something that we are holding there and we can be curious about it you know saying Hello nice to meet you you're part of me yeah you've been hiding for a while or I didn't let you out but now you're here and being able to transform it it you know into feeling you know like to use that power that energy for something it made me think about I don't know if you want to talk about passions but Fashions like in the past it was like in Victorian times passions all bad no passionate is a strong energy it depends how you direct it you can have a passion for medicine and research and discover things and help make a whole lot full of people better or you can have a ungoverned passion that just makes you do crazy things and on social you know social behavior and things like that but I I was just thinking about like that we just although we are all of us living with our emotions we are not sort of intimate and familiar with them we haven't been looking them face to face that same is because when you bring it as a baby in front of you say I can look at you it's okay and just take away the fear of why are we afraid of it because when we repress it it takes us over I just find it's really helpful thinking about getting to know it ourselves we need to get to know the emotions that visit us that they're not bad or good

t because when we repress it it takes us over I just find it's really helpful thinking about getting to know it ourselves we need to get to know the emotions that visit us that they're not bad or good but they're disc what they are there are these emotions that are turning up for us and that are part of us of our journey from past lives from you know from the Journey of humanity through all the struggles that we've had in our Evolution to get to the point where we are and you know the philosophy it just came to my mind when you're talking about I think in English it would be the same because he's from the Eastern that from the East uh Romney you'd say r-u-m-i yeah there is a beautiful poem that I I can't remember the name exactly but it's a house of guests a guest house or something like that and where where they he says that we should receive or you know like going to the front house we say that the front door we say that our house um our home um symbolically speaking is the the where your soul lives okay so this in this beautiful poem by rummy he says that we should go to the front door every day and uh receive the the so we are talking about emotion the emotion that arrives the guest house yes the emotion that arrives uh as a very uh dear guest of writing in you know and being warm and like a dear guest and I think it's so beautiful The Joy oh it's it yes it's thank you you put here so can I just read quickly yes so it's the guest house um this being human is a guest house every morning a new arrival a joy a depression a meanness some momentary awareness comes as an expected unexpected visitor welcome and entertain them all even if they are a crowd of Sorrows who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture still treat each guest honorably he may be clearing you out for some new Delight how beautiful the dark thoughts the shame the malice meet them at the door laughing and invite them in be grateful for whoever come it's beautiful so I think it's you know

you out for some new Delight how beautiful the dark thoughts the shame the malice meet them at the door laughing and invite them in be grateful for whoever come it's beautiful so I think it's you know it's um giving a general idea of what we said this image of holding as a baby the emotion because then you are tender with your emotion with yourself and I think it's a very beautiful way and if you allow me saying yes was born in Afghanistan in September 30th 1207 wow that's crazy how beautiful it is uh it was missing be grateful for whoever comes because each has been sent as a guide from Beyond oh that's so beautiful so we I know in this uh our uh conversations the podcast we are going to talk a lot about the Beyond of this um this guide within and uh outside of us too but I don't want to give spoilers and but um one of the things that maybe just had a thank you so much for um to recovering this last session uh sentence because uh we we were talking about cardiac and I have the questions inside it always helps me I have that in Portuguese the spirits book is question 907 but I don't know in English I can read it if you want oh great please would you would you like me to read it yes I would love it thank you I'm reading from Anna Blackwell's translation which is the the first translation that was done at the time of cardiac there are other more modern ones but this is my personal preference so that's 907 it's on the chapter is titled the Passions this says and the question is as our passions have their roots in nature are they evil in themselves and the answer the spirits give is no it is only their excess that is evil for excess implies a perversion of the will but the principle of all his passions has been given to mankind for his own good and they may all spur him on onto the accomplishments of great things it is only their abuse that harms so it's really interesting to say that they're talking about the passions that they're there to Spur us on and it is only the abuse

he accomplishments of great things it is only their abuse that harms so it's really interesting to say that they're talking about the passions that they're there to Spur us on and it is only the abuse that doesn't sound getting to know our passions again as as the baby as well isn't it oh yes I I like very much this translation and I like the synchronicity um it just popped in my mind so you know a guide from Beyond wanted me to remember around me and um this last sentence also that uh josada got that sent as a guide from Beyond right for the ego it it you know it always looks at you know some the Transcendent it's from Beyond its own possibilities because the ego is our Consciousness okay the center of our Consciousness and um is trying to adapt and it's very worried with the outside so this guide from Beyond will speak to us from within so that's the thing and we need uh it's very important that we pay attention so the emotions are coming from within they they are not coming from outside of us even as we were talking last week if something happens the circumstance uh a person says something that bothers me or makes some reaction violent reaction in my respiration and my circulatory system gets really upset full of adrenaline but the reason is not from outside it's from the inside so that's why Joanna is saying that it's so so important that we listen to the inner guide that appears to the ego as from something from Beyond from very distant but if we are all children of the transcendent whatever you want to call it okay and we are all um children of this beautiful light that it's love and power and um creation so of course all of this is going to be talking to us from within not from outside right so and the emotions are as the spirits are telling card deck are there to lead us in this evolution in this evolution of Consciousness right in this Evolution about uh knowing what we are doing here and where are we going to so all these answers uh the emotions and the feelings that are related to the

this evolution of Consciousness right in this Evolution about uh knowing what we are doing here and where are we going to so all these answers uh the emotions and the feelings that are related to the emotions that develop within us there are actually also very important because of our they're making memories there we are learning with all these experiences so the all of this um as the spirits tell cardiac it's placed there inside of us to help us in this experience of self-knowledge isn't that beautiful so how are we going to shut the door or how are we going and we go on blaming other people they have their own um their own learning to do right they have their own own challenges to face let's um pay attention to our own challenge uh challenges and I also wanted to tell you something that I think it's very important it's coming in my mind here that we should talk about this the contamination of emotions I wanted to hear you all about that if you have been in an experience with a lot of people around you even in the internet when we start reading comments or you know getting people fighting with each other but how if you have had this experience of um feeling some emotions that were not there because uh Marshall was saying last week that and we are beings that are in a collective and this Collective is very important we we are really brothers and sisters in a way that we can even imagine psychological and spiritually speaking so if someone you know I'm just popping my mind the image of a bad apple I don't know if we have to talk about this in another I think we had another broadcast but in a you know a lot of apples in a bad one a bad one that is spoiled uh in the basket what do you think is going to happen with the other apples right if we don't take the apple or right so I would like to hear you all a little bit about this contamination because I think we are not paying enough attention to our emotions and it's quite easy when we are not in contact with our own emotions to because they are in the

a little bit about this contamination because I think we are not paying enough attention to our emotions and it's quite easy when we are not in contact with our own emotions to because they are in the unconscious repressed and not work through so it's very quite easy that we get contaminated by other people's emotions because of all this um mechanism of Defense I would like to hear you let me go ahead and get started because I think and I want to just push back to put it back to all of us first of all to me my understanding and emotions is that external triggers right external triggers will let's say we're talking last week about uh driving in in the car and something happens but there's a trigger right there's a response mechanism to something that comes from outside of me that will lead to whatever be it fear Joy anger whatever right those emotions but they're internalized um and uh we're talking about hormones adrenaline your breathing your your blood systems pumped with hormones or whatever it is so there's an external and internal reactions and when we talked about feelings we're now talking about the the realm of uh idea right it's it's really how I I hold on to the baby that is brought to me it was born out of the circumstance and the idea on how I I manage that emotion is how I will then internalize and and go through it and become better if you will so when we talk about uh the contagion um of emotions I keep thinking about the immersion of who we are and how external events and I'm talking about maybe the World Cup right or I don't know we talked about last week the Oscar ceremony or um a a an amazing movie series Star Trek all of those that somehow we all have been exposed to may lead to emotional responses that if we don't we're not aware of it it may actually lead to to to um and I don't know what's the term but a severe response a collective response to the same right uh I don't know uh I just thought I think you want to add to it normally we use this mental aggregory

um and I don't know what's the term but a severe response a collective response to the same right uh I don't know uh I just thought I think you want to add to it normally we use this mental aggregory yeah it's what uh you know there are very simple examples like you said you may be invited to a soccer game and not necessarily even being you know a fan of soccer or football and or you go to a concert and you got the tickets not that you are a fan as well and the less you expect you're there cheering and and singing with everyone and then when you leave you said what happened what happened with me because I mean I don't even think they were that good but what are they are you we're kind of contaminated by the environment the the mental category so uh and it's so much more powerful than we think that's that's the reason why sometimes you know people that are um very sensitive to energy they they go to places some places may be very harmful to them um I I remember um well many years ago I I had a boyfriend and I always loved to dance I used to be a ballerina as well and uh we would go to places to to to dance but anyway you used to get along so well but every time we went to one of those places to dance we would fight and the and then after a while we would start wondering what happens that every time we go to a place like this to you know to have fun to to we fight and then we start thinking because that he was a spirit just like myself as well and he was we start thinking you know what is the environment the atmosphere of the place is not being good to us and so we stopped going just because of that so sometimes you may you may feel like it like this you know like here me living in New York City and I see a lot of tourists that uh come here just to go to the place of the you know the twin where the Twin Towers were I mean I I don't go there at all and once I had to go close to closer to that place and I felt my skin something in my skin was something you know that it started to give me like

the Twin Towers were I mean I I don't go there at all and once I had to go close to closer to that place and I felt my skin something in my skin was something you know that it started to give me like a a panic attack I I I didn't realize that I was so close to the place and then all of a sudden I saw oh my God I I don't know what is happening is I still can feel the energy that is there so yeah we have that's why we have to be very uh careful with the places we go with the people we invite to our homes or how we are going to other people's home as well you know you have to fight with your you know if your partner and go to Africa a friend's house you may take a budge with you the whole area so yes it's quite interesting this yeah and I I would just yeah and just to add I mean I agree with everything that people are saying especially if we don't know ourselves very well but we don't know what is hidden in the basement of our unconscious and uh we might you know oh that I'm fine I'm good I know myself I'm all cool you know but we don't know about the Shadows that are there and uh going to a place or to an environment or to a situation whether that might be triggered and it might come out and I was thinking things like mob mentality you know like one person says something and then loads of other people yeah yeah and you're like hello hello calm down you know wait wait wait but people get over excited because they've got that inside but we've got that inside as well it's not just them that has those things out there is because we've got it inside and like uh and I was saying to us before if we have it repressed it can explode out and we only realize it was it's already out and acting it for us so getting to know ourselves is essential but it's not going to be a five-minute job so we got our Peril so I think it's we just always the lesson for me is to try and have an inquisitive mind unless you said I was saying okay you've got somewhere and you start to feel something different or you're starting

I think it's we just always the lesson for me is to try and have an inquisitive mind unless you said I was saying okay you've got somewhere and you start to feel something different or you're starting to feel okay hang on let me just stop a minute here and take stock not to get caught up by it and then say okay we'll follow these emotions that are coming up there's something going on here and hold the baby you know comes in not repress it again but say okay calm but in a almost like in a controlled way rather than exploding out that it's sort of Slither out but it makes you it makes you think doesn't it because and particularly when when we are quick to blame others you know what is it in us that's that is that they are reflecting for us a very sort of great uh gracefully so that we can learn and develop as well so it in a way it makes life so much more exciting because as with a journal says that we can certainly ambition to be the authors of Our Lives so this is where we will end up you know reaching one day and that just it's it's I just find it quite an interesting Prospect and I think it's very important uh what you are all saying because uh um see what Susanna said when she got near the place where the towers were she felt something physically yeah it's just sad and um when uh when we are talking about that we said that emotions takes uh take us by the gut okay so in we are okay as spirit is we know that we are spirits live but we are living in um body of Flesh right so we of course we're going to feel things In the Flesh and this is very powerful this is very powerful because then the ego that it's our uh our Consciousness that is uh word with adaptation okay to adapt in this world and to okay stay alive and take care of the whole systems right that we are uh is going to be really feeling threatened and see the reaction that you started said she she was feeling really bad okay because she was feeling um like physically ill let's say right and then she started

going to be really feeling threatened and see the reaction that you started said she she was feeling really bad okay because she was feeling um like physically ill let's say right and then she started um remembering probably and thinking about that that man we can see the feeling being being developed the memories the ideas related to the emotion that she felt of uh anxiety probably she talked about a panic attack right so I think this is all very important so we can get to know our own reactions because if we don't know how we work we are often manipulated by whoever or whatever wants to manipulate ourselves we lose control right so it's very important to know that and Joanna reminds us that it does not mean when we are talking about all this uh this animal behavior let's say right this emotions it does not mean that emotions are invariably negative and feelings for instance positive many people can think that but we can have both negative and positive feelings okay and emotions for example emotions of anger and or joy and feelings of hurt or love love so important we have to do a podcast only about love meaning but also another example that I think is quite useful useful is that for instance emotion like sadness right because they have all been we are This Modern Times pause modern times uh I know as a psychiatrist that we have so much uh diagnosis as depressions and anxieties not to talk about uh people think about taking their own lives and this and that okay so so emotional an emotion like sadness is considered for by many as socially negative but actually it can be read a positive if well conducted leading the person to deep Reflections and adaptation versus I'm feeling sad and I hold like a baby the sadness right or I open my door as Rami told us and say come in come in I'm not being masochist people and I'd say oh now I'm going to suffer no I'm going to be tender with my emotion I'm going to accept it and then I'm going to of course have a feeling about because then

I'm not being masochist people and I'd say oh now I'm going to suffer no I'm going to be tender with my emotion I'm going to accept it and then I'm going to of course have a feeling about because then I'm going I can relate to the meaning and to the purpose of all that so or so if badly handled it can lead to depression for instance right on the other hand an emotion such as happiness for instance that everybody say I want to be happy I want to hit the happy and be happy and do everything that I want so which is considered positive by everyone if Miss handle can have a masking function trying to deny sadness or fear for instance we were talking about the mechanism of the fans of the ego repression and denial for instance or even be a sign of a symptom such as Euphoria for instance which occur occurs in some mood disorders that we are known okay so Joanna proposes dividing emotions into positive and negative according to the purpose and consequences of the emotion so that's where we have to open the dry we have to open the door and we have to hold like a baby because otherwise we cannot discern if it's positive or negative if I should be wow happy with myself that I have this emotion and then the feeling develops or a good thing a good feeling for instance from Love of Love or if it is bad um and it's making me you know upset okay and oh yes Mars I would love if you could talk about that it's brilliant I love this movie can you talk about the movie so I was just thinking about it I I sent a note to to anahi about the the movie that is when we talk about emotions it's brilliantly done right uh inside out where this little girl and her parents they move and she lost all her friends and uh all of the emotions run amok if you will they're trying to make her sad they will make you angry and they it's it's a power struggle if you think about it right who's what emotion will lead the moment for for the little girl but it's it's beautifully done because then you can see that we can somehow if we

it's it's a power struggle if you think about it right who's what emotion will lead the moment for for the little girl but it's it's beautifully done because then you can see that we can somehow if we are tender with the baby the emotion or like roomie said that they invited or uninvited guests unexpected guest if we treat them with uh respect and tenderness then we're able to to heal if you if if we may say like that the moment that we're gonna we're suffering through right beautiful and remember that when she could feel the emotion that the sadness then she recovered the man the good memories remember correct correct beautiful because the memories were going away because she was in denial she was forgetting well when you forget you forget everything good and bad yes and then it you you you you're not in in control of the learning that the experiences uh are trying to teach you well I know we have some just few more minutes that I know that we forgot about Sensations and we were talking about sensation so I want to when Now quickly talk about Sensations and um I think this is very important because then it it's going to be something to take home because I will I will only tell you what Joanna is saying about that okay she says that the human creature is also a bundle of Sensations a natural result natural right like the spirit is the spiritual Paradise a natural result of the primary periods of evolution because we are evolving and Consciousness is evolving of course we have Sensations that have taught us emotions that have developed in into feelings so and to say so a natural result of the primary periods of evolution in transit to the reality of emotions she says that the long experiences lived in the Primitive ranges of the past left deep Impressions that become a prevailing requirement in personal social and psychological Behavior impulses and reactions are part of this process that establishes the paradigms of conduct when outside the seed of reason this is Joanna saying at this stage of

sonal social and psychological Behavior impulses and reactions are part of this process that establishes the paradigms of conduct when outside the seed of reason this is Joanna saying at this stage of Life emotionally nourished by objective Sensations contacts with the world and its manifestations the human being enjoys the excessive gain of wanting to have far from the aspiration to being so the course of change from the course range of immediacy to the subtleties of dignify emotion is slow okay and she says that the sensation-driven man is demanding and possessive not realized realizing the value of others Freedom which he intends to control by Awakening emotions and feelings it becomes natural to Value others in life to respect human values while working in favor of progress expanding the horizons of understanding and inner fulfillment I think it's so beautiful I just wanted to give people this idea this evolutionary idea that Joanna is bringing us that we start with Sensations okay as individuals and also as a species in our development we start with Sensations because we have the senses and we have to adapt we have to know that we have to get warm because we're feeling cold that we have to eat because we are feeling hungry and Etc and Etc but if we take are taken by the sensations the the how did she said the sensation driven men and women okay so if we let the sensation prevail then we are going back in evolution backwards okay because then we think we need to possess things and not to be so we need this development of Sensations to emotions and finally to feelings so that we can learn how to be and we can learn to respect what we are and not what we have because to have is from this part here in this moment of life and things that we need many times things that we don't need that the ego or some of our conflicts think they need okay but if we develop to emotions and sense and feelings then we will get to know all the guests of our house I love it love it this is amazing so I

t the ego or some of our conflicts think they need okay but if we develop to emotions and sense and feelings then we will get to know all the guests of our house I love it love it this is amazing so I think we're we're really close we have just a minute or two I'm gonna invite uh josada in do you want to say a final word about the topic today this is just gorgeous yeah no I I'm just going to take what anahi has just said for my Reflections for this week and just seeing that remembering that we are not just this body this moment that we have a long history and we have a bright future this is Continuum and so the moment we're in is unique but it's it's it hasn't come from nothingness correct Evolution and and both spiritual and and physical the physical body we have today is the result of the human evolution on Earth and our spiritual Revolution is our own journey and together we have this unique opportunity of learning and experiencing uh life in its fullness at this moment of life on Earth and and letting them I think you know just allowing us to to be aware of that and so I'm taking that for my meditations for this week awesome thank you if you would like to read that that I'm just sending to you mark okay okay so this is from The Gospel According to spiritism as you know written by Alan cardiac chapter 11 item eight and um you said that from there on right at the starting the starting point okay so just that is words coming from The Gospel According to spiritism is at the starting point human being only had instincts after some advancements and the onset of corruption he humans has Sensations but when he becomes instructed and more purified he has sentiments the most delicate Apex of sentiment is love not the vulgar sense of the word but the inner sun which condenses and reconciles all aspirations and superhuman Revelation at its Ardent focal point what an invitation thank you jusara thank you anahi thank you and and thank you all who chose to spend time with us

s and reconciles all aspirations and superhuman Revelation at its Ardent focal point what an invitation thank you jusara thank you anahi thank you and and thank you all who chose to spend time with us this past 45 minutes this is an amazing topic I hope we can further break down with the podcast discussion on love or any other of those sub categories of the topic but with that I want to say thank you thank you for being with us and I hope to see you next time thank you bye bye see you all