Ep 28 - Positive and Negative Aspects of the Shadow

foreign hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia trojano and with me today are Dr anayi Fonseca josara corn goat and and Sinclair hi everyone good to see you again well they joined me today to talk about a very interesting topic and there may be several nuances for us to to talk in the next few minutes together but it's all about discovering the Shadow and I'm really excited uh Dr naid to see what we can talk about in terms of what is the shadow what are the other approaches what does gratitude have to do with your Shadow but anyways if this is the first time you're watching this sorry podcast like program please note that um we we meet weekly and our discussions are really based on the works by Joanna DeAngelis and they offer a safe space for us to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from a psychological lens and we are here to bring insights maybe some tips and love to see also some real world advice so that you and all of us can lead a better life please note our program is sponsored by Ami Brazil the TV manzando Camino the United States spiritus Federation and international spiritus Council please make sure you subscribe if you haven't done already and if you need additional information check us out you can find us at spiritus.us also if you have any questions feedback comment please put on the chat and we'll talk about it today if you have time or at a later episode so today we are really excited to be here so I'm going to pass the ball and let's hear from uh from you tell us a little bit about the shadow what is the shadow okay hello everyone so just um so we can understand a little bit of this Young's concept of The Shadow that uh when he talks about the ego as being the center of Consciousness okay as opposed to the self in a way that the self uh for young is our higher Consciousness our Transcendent Consciousness that it's deep inside of the psych of the unconscious

center of Consciousness okay as opposed to the self in a way that the self uh for young is our higher Consciousness our Transcendent Consciousness that it's deep inside of the psych of the unconscious but in opposition in a certain way is the ego okay at the center of our consciousness let's say the guy who is doing the job of adapting to this life to learning remembering things um talking as I'm talking to you now connecting things in my mind okay so the center of our Consciousness Consciousness the ego but to adapt to this world I have to feel loved as a child for instance the child the the ego of the child is very frail because it's uh growing with the child right so uh in it needs a lot of reassuring a lot of mother and father and caretakers saying oh you did well oh how nice you did that oh let's try not to do that because it won't be good for your health for instance so education but also saying and especially affirming to the child that what she's feeling is did as this what he is thinking is that in a sense for instance let's think of the baby the small baby has an ego because it's relating to the mother right is relating to the family it's hearing voices is having the for instance experience of hunger her and it's crying because it's feel hungry right and then it needs the mother the baby needs the mother to recognize the crying that it's a hunger The Cry of the baby with is feeling hungry so that the mother is going to give the baby a butter of milk or breastfeed or some if the baby is able to eat some nice fruits and this and that and then the the child little by little recognize okay if I vocalize let's say if I say if I scream or if I if I cry in this way my mother or my father my caretaker is going to bring me food this is really important because um the the organism has to survive you know hunger for the the little baby it's a threat for survival so it all these experiences it they they are in the brain and they are in our minds and according to that psychology

m has to survive you know hunger for the the little baby it's a threat for survival so it all these experiences it they they are in the brain and they are in our minds and according to that psychology they are deep in our uh psych okay we bring with us so but to it to adjust to adapt in the world and to make sure that my mom is going to bring me let's say in this example the the warm milk that I want okay or the foods that I want if I'm a a child of two three the child will learn that if it's um the child he or she screams a lot in a way that it bothers mother for instance then maybe it will take more time until the bottle of milk comes so I have to try to say to adapt in a way that my I don't bother my mom and she realizes that I'm hungry it's just a simple example of how I have to adapt in the world so to be loved to have my needs fulfilled okay and to have the Friendship of the the people that I value for instance to be in later on in life a good employee to have um you know the exact acceptance of my colleagues I have to behave in a way that people like me so all of this makes the ego creates let's say a kind of a social mask or a part of a part of the ego that and it's conscious and that there are values that say okay I adapt with this people will love me I will have a lot of friends I will have the job that I want but what happens when there are feelings thoughts um fantasies that are against my social mask okay so Jung called the social Mass the Persona because of the Greek Theater the mask of the Greek ancient Greek Theater was the persona so he called the Persona uh this part of the ego this complex related actually to the ego that it's created to adaptation he called the Persona and in opposition to the Persona everything that the ego feels as threatening this adaptation to life into my environment then the ego will repress will deny will defend itself and will create in on the unconscious an area that with this repressed material that you call the shadow

s adaptation to life into my environment then the ego will repress will deny will defend itself and will create in on the unconscious an area that with this repressed material that you call the shadow our shadow aspects I don't know if it's okay or would you like to some questions at this point I'd love to to ask some questions but before I ask questions let's just go ahead and open for in Sinclair and I'm going to just start it with both of you what what do you think about this social mask right and let's remember when did Jung talk about this beginning of the century right so it's very refreshing for all of us to see that uh ideas stemming back to from Greek Theater as the idea of a mask right is a drama to to to to put a new persona and how does it fit so well in the definition of a psychological complex you mentioned right and I but uh why don't you do you have any any thoughts about this before we we break it down further not at the moment actually everything that Anna he was saying I was even thinking about you know that I had the chance to go to the youngest house and some of the things that I saw there but I would like to comment later okay okay very good so we we're gonna uh just get caught some time for you to talk about when I think it's in Zurich in Switzerland right so you can talk to the to to to all of us who are here watching this uh a budget experience there and any thoughts yeah I think um thank you and I um I don't know if other people have the same experience or Journey as myself uh whereas like the ideas of psychology I mean I never went never studied psychology at school or University or anything I mean I've read books like self-help books and articles and things like that and I think I know he is put it together very nicely for me for my level of understanding and just thinking about because we do feel this conflict I mean I speak for myself and this conflict of like you are presenting a face that you know is the acceptable face what is what your parents expect

just thinking about because we do feel this conflict I mean I speak for myself and this conflict of like you are presenting a face that you know is the acceptable face what is what your parents expect from you or your teachers expect from you or your let's say your employer uh but behind it you know it's there used to be oh my gosh it just came to my mind long time ago when I was a teenager there was a magazine a comic magazine and used to have cartoons where it would have a person walk like that and the shadow the actual like you know Shadow from the Sun like the person was like oh yes that's lovely and the Shadow's going down the you know being exactly opposite and so just uh I had completely forgot about that but sometimes you say oh yes that's lovely thank you so much and inside you you're saying something completely different oh I hate you go away and you're just thinking am I a crazy person that I am behaving in one way but I have all these strong feelings inside me that I am repressing because I know that they're not acceptable um and uh it's I just I don't know whether people feel like that but I mean that's that's my experience I mean I go through through life quite quite okay and it's like I can keep control like all of us everything are super nice but if somebody just pushes you that little bit too much boom out comes the lion you know roaring and then you go like whoa where did that come from and it's because we don't really know we it's not that we don't know it's like we don't um uh have um a relationship perhaps with these things that are in our shadow we just put them under the carpet but they're there and they're festering and they're part of us so just trying to find that yes that what do we do with this you know when this when it starts coming up because if we start having if we start giving way to you know to manifesting these darker thoughts or things like that where will it all end and so it just it feels like a dangerous place to allow things to come up yet when we

if we start giving way to you know to manifesting these darker thoughts or things like that where will it all end and so it just it feels like a dangerous place to allow things to come up yet when we don't expect it I think they come out and they bite you on the heel kind of thing so I'd be quite Keen to think about how can we build a relationship with what's in our shadows without sort of crumbling in society without you know becoming a a person who who can't relate to others or you can't just go around saying everything you think is it's not polite isn't it so it's finding that balance I find it quite interesting and I find that I'm quite ignorant for myself about how how that actually happens or how we could take that forward in a constructive way yeah can I can I just um add something and so thank you thank you both of you uh to me uh anahi is first of all we do the shadow gets a bed wrap right the shadow is is this uh first of all even the word right there's this Darkness around the word and um many of us as we we don't we are not uh experts like you and I in in psychology as we're studying psychology and most important in our case we're we're doing a a review of how spirituality and psychology may meet um it's important for us to to discover what is the Shadow and what are the sides of it but one of the things that I find it quite interesting Ann is just today I was uh doing a a bit of a discussion on the book Jesus in our days it's the first book um of Joanna DeAngelis psychological series and it has one chapter called um Jesus and in gratitude so it really talks about the the notion of uh having or not gratitude toward life and and the notion of acceptance right so this is more of a cultural aspect in in behavioral aspect of how to go about life and I just want to bring here before I bring back to you and I the fact that in that book uh Joanna uses exactly your terms and she talks about this festering sore that we we have inside of us which is the all those repressed uh behaviors

bring back to you and I the fact that in that book uh Joanna uses exactly your terms and she talks about this festering sore that we we have inside of us which is the all those repressed uh behaviors emotions and thoughts uh outside of our conscious mind our ego but one of the things that she also says that I would like to to to conclude here is the fact that in nature we all are good all of us we we are our Essence is goodness is justice is uh uh the ability to give and to honor and to all of those what we call uh positive qualities but we are unable to fully Express that because we are still in a very youthful state right I I I think uh in an earlier time and you talked about I feel like it's time for us as if we're mothers of this young teenager come on wake up get up and and and become aware of all your uh needs as a mature individual psychologically speaking versus this very uh unawakened very uh unaware person but anyways back to you uh tell us a little bit more uh about you mentioned what is the shadow but uh is there for example a positive in a negative or is it all negative okay lots of interesting things but uh coming first uh to and um I think she talks about something very important and it's then it would be a negative part of the Shadow because since the ego represses this contents you know what happens and denies and represses and it's there in the personal unconscious okay so what happens is that there's an energy there because the energy uh the psychic energies and all the psych okay so when I repress a Content I'm not working consciously with it so it gets like um we could say an energy is there it has to go somewhere so what we know is that the problem of repressing the Shadow is that the shadow will be projected onto others okay unconsciously right unconsciously yeah because it's all unconscious only the Persona is conscious okay the shadow is unconscious it's a complex we say like the twin brothers the Persona and the shadow the the good one and the bad one or like

cause it's all unconscious only the Persona is conscious okay the shadow is unconscious it's a complex we say like the twin brothers the Persona and the shadow the the good one and the bad one or like um a Marvel Hulk right it would add once here so there is the Dr Banner the good part okay the Persona and then the Hulk okay but as Marshall said the Hulk is not all bad he's very aggressive the aggression is like I'm sad okay it's repressed so when it gets out my goodness okay could kill if you don't pay attention but uh there is good also in him okay and um and because also in the culture is a superhero The Hulk and Dr Bennett both of them so one of the things that is important is that if I repress anything that I repress I'm not working consciously I'm not putting some light on the content and then it gets strong and especially it's not that only it gets strong but it gets like autonomous you know because it has like his own life like the Hulk okay if you touch it in the right and if you make if you can make Dr Banner angry okay then the hope will come because it it if we use this analogy this method to the the shadow aspect so the complex of the Shadow young call the complex like sub personalities within the unconscious so when something touches it then it it the ego doesn't have the control that's why as I'm said oh something now if I just leave it there out it's going to be a monster but the ego is not even thinking clearly consciously subconsciously okay because it's repressing but not consciously thinking oh I cannot believe this out of because if it were already conscious okay the ego would have control then we are talking maturity then we are being less than teenagers then we are maturing our egos to okay I have this aspect of my um personality that I don't like but I have to accept that they are mind acceptance we were talking these days about acceptance and Joanna talks a lot about that I have to accept that they are mine so I can start um I can stop sorry defending myself

cept that they are mind acceptance we were talking these days about acceptance and Joanna talks a lot about that I have to accept that they are mine so I can start um I can stop sorry defending myself against this contents and look at it a spirit is knowledge bring a lot of just that I can tell us a little about that or a lot about that depending on the time that we have to work in ourselves right to evolve spiritually speaking and we have so we have to face ourselves that's why Marshall was saying that we need to bring psychology and spirituality and and spirit is in spirit is knowledge is Joanna that it's the main author that is doing that uh we have to bring them together so we know better how to be more compassionate with ourselves accepting our shadow aspect so for instance let's say something really that people can understand let's say that I'm have an aspect that I'm uh sometimes envious of people okay oh I wish I had that hair I wish I was able to talk like that person or something like that but I cannot accept this because I talk about spirituality and I talk about psychology I'm such a good person right so if I see somebody else talking let's say I love I love the way Anne talked about the shadow uh and I got a little anxious of them but I cannot be envious of man because she talks so well and you know she could be uh so clear to people that are listening to us then immediately because it doesn't fit with my Persona the doctor I am the person that knows psychology and this and that so what's going to happen the ego is going to repress I don't feel envious at all I never felt in my life this is in the person the business in the shadow it's already repressed so what happens uh of course this okay is repressed material but then we go on talking this and that and that suddenly for instance I can make a frightened sleep we say in English yeah right and I want to say for instance as I said a hunger for instance and I say angry okay because I was angry at him because I was envious how come she has a

a frightened sleep we say in English yeah right and I want to say for instance as I said a hunger for instance and I say angry okay because I was angry at him because I was envious how come she has a um capability she's able to do something speak you know in a more clearer way than I am and then it's a frightening sleep it's go and maybe I start giving um for instance questions I start making questions for iron a lot of people do that if you can connect like in academic University colleagues students even in high school whatever I was envious I could not face this fact Within Myself so what I did I was Andrew stewards and and then I start I start making difficult questions for Anne to answer oh and but what do you think about this and that or trying to make her feel uncomfortable that's the project and projection of the Shadow because I was uncomfortable with my and his aspect okay I think this is quite clear because and there's no problem being endless because everybody feels once in a while the problem is repressing the problem is not facing our shadows okay I was in I don't I didn't like that about myself but I am so if I can feel I can forgive myself I can become compassionate towards myself then I'm not going to project and then at some point I will even be glad because Anne talked so well you know and I will say oh when I grow up I will try to be like him for instance or I try to copy some but of course pay attention not um I over identifying you know okay I started because we are doing a lot of podcasts so then uh eventually we start oh I like the way she said I said that the way Marsha said that the way when and then I start to like copying it's fine people the the only thing that it's not fine is if I think I am like um I have to be like that otherwise people won't love me won't even want to listen to the podcast when I'm in it you know uh because I have to be like this or that that's the problem with the social medias for instance the celebrities the influencers I have to be

even want to listen to the podcast when I'm in it you know uh because I have to be like this or that that's the problem with the social medias for instance the celebrities the influencers I have to be dead I have to have a lot of likes people have to like me and what if I'm not feeling okay that day I don't want to give a like I didn't like I don't even know why I didn't like but I want to give myself time to think about that that's step by step we are growing in Consciousness and we are going spiritually as Joanna said because we are facing our inner truth doesn't matter how ugly or to go to what Marcia said maybe how beautiful it is and for some for instance talents talents can be repressed by the ego and can be um in the shadow can can be aspects of the Shadow for instance if I have a talent let's say I grow up in a family that a lot of the my parents or a lot of people are in the business or deal with numbers and I don't know a thing about math I don't like math and I like to draw for instance I draw beautifully it's not true okay people it's just an example I'm awful drawing but for instance I'm beautiful draw I I do you know beautiful drawings and this and that and then I would love to study that to be an artist and at some point when I'm a child a child that I talk to my mom oh I would like to go and learn how to draw what no this is so silly you are not going to earn any money drawing no never this and that how stupid and so on and so on so the child will learn or the teenage or whatever that this is bad that it doesn't help to be loved and accepted by the environment it could be among friends for instance teenagers in high school or whatever and um you know with friends and then I'm going to repress and then this beautiful talent that I have of drawing of make images the the psychic works with images so when I make images I'm co-creating reality all the psych I'm getting in contact with the Deep um you know with the archetypes that we can we have been talking about when

e psychic works with images so when I make images I'm co-creating reality all the psych I'm getting in contact with the Deep um you know with the archetypes that we can we have been talking about when we're talking out so our human inheritance and I'm giving you know our beautiful artists I'm making people happy but no this is awful this is in the shadow I cannot deal with that because I'm not going to be loved by this and that and accept it in in my community and in my social cycle so I think I talked a little bit about yeah no no my thoughts were uh drawing is is a good example talent that is repressed uh like those what comes to my mind uh Anais because uh as as we know our society is is changing so fast it's evolving in in its concepts of what's right and what's wrong what's accepted behaving what's not so if I go back for example into my grandmother's and great-grandmothers uh accepted a set of behaviors they're very especially for women very harsh right no you cannot speak you cannot interrupt you cannot voice an opinion and God forbid you cannot have any uh expression of sexuality right so those are at the time very much uh there's a curtailing even on how you how you know you you you'll use your gestures or how you sit how you laugh etc etc and I think that a very expensive type of person that was there or would be there is repressed and but there is an energy right and I there's an energy to keep it repressed so it's not just a a close loop mechanism if you will that okay not accepted by my the culture that I'm inserted it's not accepted by the age it's not accepted by my family repress right it there is a there are consequences to to uh have so much of us inserted into that unconscious yes there's a lot of energy spent in repressing material and imagine about the shadow aspects that threats and so much the ego so I think this is very important what you are saying Marshall because of the past for instance um uh for instance you're talking about women right all the repression

that threats and so much the ego so I think this is very important what you are saying Marshall because of the past for instance um uh for instance you're talking about women right all the repression historically that we suffered but then can you imagine when this repression were out yeah right and it's because what Joanna says in Jung also says that our personal shadow that it's in the personal unconscious is connected through of course the self the our higher Consciousness also has a dark um side for it as Joanna says the the self first one is our spirit okay so and our spirit is evolving of course there are some a shadow that that's why we are here in this life trying to learn more to evolve then it's also uh connected to the collective Shadow okay in this transpersonal unconscious where we are all interconnected uh so this is very important because uh many many centuries of repression can you imagine collectively when this repression uh goes out okay now it's accepted now we have all the rights and now we can do everything one of the things that we know the Consciousness evolve in a way is like we are in a very dual state so the balance between the opposites so something that it's really repressed now can okay it's totally out in the open if it's not worked as we are talking through compassion through understanding uh through uh we are going to talk a little bit if we have time gratitude as Joanna says to everything that happens to us because gratitude is love in action as I understand Jonah's teachings okay and the action that interconnects everything that um it's a among all of us when we have um gratitude and we Express gratitude so it's within us it's interconnecting all our imbalancing all our aspects including the shadow aspects and it's also outside of us balancing all the energy Among Us so what's happened is that if we don't do this learning process and bring Illuminating the shadow bringing little by little Consciousness and reflection you know in the play this play of

ergy Among Us so what's happened is that if we don't do this learning process and bring Illuminating the shadow bringing little by little Consciousness and reflection you know in the play this play of evolution what happens suddenly the repression goes out now it's okay to do whatever I want then now I can do if I am a woman I can do whatever I want literally I can say this and that treat somebody badly if I feel um you know if I felt that I was treated badly so one example that I give you that it shocked me it was a synchronicity because I saw I was in a uh you know I went to the movies yesterday and I'm not going to say because I don't want to be unethical but it was a trailer movie trailer before the movie I won't say the name but it was for children and there are the show small children playing with those you know baby dolls all this stuff and say oh in the past children played with baby dolls okay yes and all right and then suddenly there is I think they wanted to do an analogy to the curbrics um 2001. yeah certainly there is this this huge legs huge legs and the camera goes like this and it's a gigantic doll woman whatever and then wow this is it we want that okay a new doll but then the children the small the little girls that what shocked me grab the baby dolls and start smashing them like killing them the baby dolls killing them okay smashing into pieces I think the analogy was because of the monkeys and the 2001 not the same yeah you know yeah monkeys are the Primitive man right yeah yeah but I thought this is the collective unconscious for me at least that was the shadow aspect of all this movement of liberation of women we don't have to smash baby dolls to say that another one is okay it's nice and I like that better or whatever why do I have to you know attacked a part of what is um of our nature biologically speaking correct the technically speaking you smash into pieces to say that uh that's bad then we are creating another Shadow you see so that's why we need to

of what is um of our nature biologically speaking correct the technically speaking you smash into pieces to say that uh that's bad then we are creating another Shadow you see so that's why we need to illuminate Shadow with compassion gratitude as Joanna says for everything that we have gone through because it's a learning process and I think maybe josada can help us with the spirit is part of the learning process I love marriage so much that you're talking and I but there is one thing that um really stuck with me about the repression and when you you talked about you know the spiritual aspect of all that and it is one of the things that we say um when the we we are in this process of self-improvement uh we have to to self-awake as well so I have to know who I am and I have to accept what I am not meaning I have to be stuck in there uh right so but then I was thinking also because you said you know the about the repression and how somehow you know because of times because of um behaviors uh you know set up behaviors what is allowed today and what is not allowed yesterday um people all of a sudden go and and give way to their repression so it is another another problem because you know when I am repressing it means I do not reflect about that I do not even want to understand what it is uh and work on it and when it is let's say a loud even if it's not proper um and I just go and give away to that I I'm not using reason so all of a sudden now I can do that because everyone is enjoying that but I'm not questioning myself whether this is ethical or not whether this is good to me or not so I so I was thinking about all of that and the implications that it has with uh not only and I mean it's so fantastic that we have this uh podcast like you know it was a psychology and spirituality because this is where they really meet in in the sense that you as a psychiatrist is showing the negative aspect of us uh you know um repressing something and spiritually speaking the negativity as well is while

s is where they really meet in in the sense that you as a psychiatrist is showing the negative aspect of us uh you know um repressing something and spiritually speaking the negativity as well is while I'm in the Nile I cannot work the positive aspects of my life it is going to be there and it's going to show and it's going to backfire sometimes someday yes exactly I I we we have some time left yes yes we do yes um is an example that I was going to give you um there is a book that Marshall will show later on to everybody but uh that it's called Illuminating the Shadow and the author uh it's a sentence here that I would like to read to you by Carl Jung he writes it's right in the beginning he asked what is the shadow and then he puts young sentence where love rules there is no Will To Power and where power predominates their love their love is lacking the one is the shadow of the other so I think this is uh it it it's really nice for us to think because then now we started talking about our personal Shadows but you thought that we got in the point to talk about Collective shadow so this empowerment stuff that everybody has power to do everything when talking about deaf psychology and also readings when I get really uh worried about that about this kind of um you know vocabulary that we are using nowadays in a sense okay we have to empower ourselves with our personal not only our personal strengths a mature ego but with our uh spiritual quotations and potentials that as Marsha said uh we are remember what she read about um in Joanna's book just the other day as she was telling us we are light the Transcendent is light the darkness in US is ignorance of the light okay we could say that spiritually speaking spiritually speaking because psychologically speaking we have to discern what is um we are here to learn that what is good and what is not good what's light and what's not liked so that we can make more light right that we are here to learn how to uh co-create in the light

what is um we are here to learn that what is good and what is not good what's light and what's not liked so that we can make more light right that we are here to learn how to uh co-create in the light remember that we are children of the light of the one the Transcendent one that we call God or whatever people want to call it so I would like love to hear you about this sentence of young that where love rules there is no will to Will To Power and where power predominates their love is lacking and I love that because I think it it poses to the majority of us who perhaps may not have been exposed to Jung the idea that the opposite of love that's the first thing right the opposite of love is not hatred or even indifference it's power yeah which which goes back to uh its power because it is an ego requirement to be a controlling force in our lives right and it's there to protect us by the way let's not make the ego like the shadow the the the bad person the bad guy right no it's not it's there to protect us but it's it's really mistaken because it's protecting us from a material perspective and that material perspective it really um reflection of the here and now and for us and we talk about we're all in the west right and uh and what is the West culturally speaking we're individualistic societies we are materialistic societies right we are consumer a consumer society and it's just very interesting because I was I was reading that only 10 years ago um there is this this new report on the happy happiness report was created 10 years ago in in in 2013 so uh to date they we keep having those index of what is a uh what is a self um uh assessed um have an index of happiness and the nordics the nordics keep getting the majority out of the the 10 top happiest countries or Switzerland and Finland Finland is the top one um Iceland etc etc right and we keep thinking what makes it a difference on those countries from the others and it's in addition to many things but it's uh no longer the zest for power

is the top one um Iceland etc etc right and we keep thinking what makes it a difference on those countries from the others and it's in addition to many things but it's uh no longer the zest for power it's that more of a uh uh I'm I'm here with nature and I'm very grateful so there's a back to gratitude the sense of uh because I'm part of this context that we're all responsible for being happy together if you will I I need to make sure in this case that Anne is happy not just me that jusara is happy that you and I.E are happy and by focusing that I bring about issues of emotional intelligence of empathy right of paying attention and my ego or ego-centric tendencies start to diminish naturally so I love that the whole component of power ego and gratitude all together anyone wants to talk about it you've done a wonderful job any any words we are coming to the end of our time unfortunately I'd just like to when talking about power and love I just came to me the image of Jesus yeah and it's like we struggle to to understand Jesus message as much as it's been devolved and multiplied you know over the centuries but when I think about it the more I try to understand who is saying you know about love love oneself love your neighbor love God so it's love like what is this this is the power that moves everything that you're not you know you're not going to Conquest love through Power so it's it's letting go it's the opposite so you're letting girls to let the love flow and I think coming into the gratitude that we were talking of before because love emotion and sometimes people say no well um I can't be grateful for something because it wasn't very nice let's say or was unpleasant but if you can see through it and see the value of the lesson because actually everything that happens on Earth to us is a lesson and if we learn the lesson we move we advance and absolutely yeah and learning the lesson is not getting it necessarily right of success and failure and power and all these kind of things but it's

son and if we learn the lesson we move we advance and absolutely yeah and learning the lesson is not getting it necessarily right of success and failure and power and all these kind of things but it's understanding okay by doing this I get that not quite what I wanted okay I've learned that so I can move on and try something slightly different and it doesn't matter don't need to get it right first time because we've got we've got eternity to learn everything and to develop and and I just like the image of a flower to open you know it takes the time that it takes it needs the sun it needs the nutrients it needs the Earth it needs the seasons and we are spirits we need the seasons of the incarnations to help us to perceive all this the variety of things that come our way as I'm sort of multi-sensory learning experience and we take it away from let's say of interpreting things through the ego of things like the hurt been done to me the suffering imposed On Me by others by God by by Nature whatever and say no this this is how it is this is the impact of of life on me through my body teaching my spiritual being through the body this is our experience of an Incarnation I think that I mean not at for one minute uh talking about anybody else's pain or difficulties but just speaking about my own experience of pains or difficulties it taking on this attitude of love acceptance of gratitude changes everything absolutely and life goes through the same but you don't suffer it in the same way yeah and said something about you know Jesus comes to mind um what came to my mind since we are talking about love and power was exact exactly the meeting between Jesus and Pontius Pilate yes oh yeah beautiful uh what happened to them after right so there was the meeting of love and power yeah crucified and you know resurrected living eternally and the other one there are so many reports of suicide Etc but he definitely he lost his power so as soon as you said that I made that image came that is awesome we are at time so I just

ing eternally and the other one there are so many reports of suicide Etc but he definitely he lost his power so as soon as you said that I made that image came that is awesome we are at time so I just want to say thank you thank you for a really interesting and easy to understand explanation of what is the Shadow and the the relationship with gratitude just out of thank you and thank you and I'll see you next time bye everyone bye bye foreign