Ep 56 - Collaboration or Competition

hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia trano and with me is Dr anay fona anay it's so good to have you here in this conversation we're going to talk about the current state of our world the world that many of us say it's going through a large number of different crises and um before we go on just let me perhaps thank for you thank everyone who's here with us watching us listening to us and we appreciate you we appreciate you being with us and if this is the first time that you're watching or listening to this program please note the psychology spirituality weekly talk BS are based on the works by Joanna deangeles and uh we're here to offer this space right they open a space a room so that we can indeed confront compare correlate and most importantly expand our spiritual Concepts from a psychological lens and to do this so that we can perhaps uh uh allow ourselves to find insights tips and even perhaps advice so that you and I can have a better life please do not forget our program sponsored by TV Man United States spiritist Federation the international Spirits Council and Amy Brazil and before I start I just want to tell everyone hit subscribe if you haven't already done so check us uh check out our channels right and uh you can get more information by going to spiritist us and uh also if you have any questions any feedback any criticism anything at all just write to us uh we will read and we'll get back to you at the next available time we are here talking to today about this topic of collaboration and and competition right and I and I I just wanted to tell everyone that there is a very interesting book I have here in front of me it's called finding peace and health by Joanna deangeles and we are going to perhaps bring some of the topics to to light from that book but anay before we start our conversation would you mind uh uh will be a favor to me but would you mind sharing a little bit about the upcoming program that

me of the topics to to light from that book but anay before we start our conversation would you mind uh uh will be a favor to me but would you mind sharing a little bit about the upcoming program that you're involved I understand it's a weeklong event that will take place in August in Brazil can you tell us more about it please yes hello everyone so it's a pleasure to be here with my dear friend Marca to talk about spirituality psychology and mainly the concepts that Joanna Jes brings to us it's beautiful and uh the idea is to uh it's a program only in English it's not translated to Portuguese it's called yung in Brazil spirituality and culture and has a subtitle uh searching for the spirit of the deaths in modern times and why is that so important it's going to happen in August this year 2024 August 8 18th to 23rd in Canela up in the mountains in the very south of Brazil it's a beautiful part of Brazil and uh we are going to be there Marsha and Jada and a many friends and also Professor Lionel Corbett that teaches at Pacifica Graduate Institute in California he teaches that psychology and um he's with me we are friends and partners for for the last 10 years uh researching anomalous Dash spiritual experiences and why in Brazil and why Yung because we say and Professor L cor said this in a very beautiful way that uh the world that we live in seems to have lost uh any sense of mystery no it's like we have disenchanted the world because of course we need science we need technolog and but uh it's a paradox because we have we kind of got stuck in um very materialistic and rational world right and um so the the Wonder and the magic and the meaning that we find we we are children of this Cosmic uh uh source of life right that we call God this transcended being uh life and beauty and love and harmony and um if we get stuck in the materialistic World okay we are here we are here to learn in this duality of spirit and matter and it's a such a great opportunity right uh for

eauty and love and harmony and um if we get stuck in the materialistic World okay we are here we are here to learn in this duality of spirit and matter and it's a such a great opportunity right uh for enrichment of our spirits but if we disconnect of The Mystery of Life of the knowledge of our own psych and this this transversional dimension of the psych that you call the collective unconscious yeah Concepts derived from it like synchronicities for instance and also the the anomalous experiences the spiritual experiences like medians ship for instance that uh spir is knowledge uh studies so well and so deeply so if we get disconnect uh we we disconnect from our higher self our Spirits like so and all the knowledge of our spirits and mainly that it's uh really important here in this discussion we disconnect for uh from the the our missions what are we doing in this world and of course the meaning of everything that happens to us because uh we say in Psychiatry and psychology field that spirituality uh is uh searching for the meaning for the purpose of life of of ourselves of what we're doing here so if we disconnect from that we get depressed we get anxious uh we get um only thinking that we need stuff that we need to work work work without stopping and um that everything it's outside of myself and and not inside of myself and that everything that I am is what I possess right so and Jonah Jes talks a lot about that that that if we get stuck thinking that my worth is only what I have what I achieve in this life well that's very dangerous for our mental health and from our for our spiritual Evolution we can we can get stuck yeah you know um so we should not disconnect ourselves from the mystery that is this beautiful Uncharted Territory within ourselves that it's our psych our unconscious so that's why we we decided to put searching for the spirit of the deaths in modern times uh we you know we want to enchant the world again oh what a what an opportunity so let me see if I can

nscious so that's why we we decided to put searching for the spirit of the deaths in modern times uh we you know we want to enchant the world again oh what a what an opportunity so let me see if I can remember it's going to be in August it's going to be in canel which is a city in the um in the mountains of Brazil and the the the the southern most part of Brazil it uh includes a panel of many many experts including L Corbett uh Walter B bisha uh Pedro rendi Leonardo de Olivera and Alexander morera Al Alida sorry I'm butchering everybody's name but most important if you are interested if you want to get more information or if you want to tell other people please go to www. and this is easy yungin brazil. org and I want to say thank you thank you for taking the time to talk about so beautifully about what is the program and the details and why it is important and uh Frankly Speaking what an opportunity to learn about yung in the context of the culture and spirituality of the country of Brazil brail and I have to tell you that when I hear about this this event an I I I keep thinking yeah gusta Yung right but he did have a very uh can I say antithetical uh relationship at first very collaborative but there's a little bit of a competition between him and Sigman Freud and we're not going to talk about this to today but I just thought interesting how we we we we have this this two sides the polarity between what we do and who we admire who respect and of course I wanted to talk about or bring about as the context about our discussion about collaboration and perhaps competition na I don't know if you heard but there is a movie it's a many people in the US don't even know about this movie but it's called The Gods Must Be Crazy and if you who are here uh listening to to this session here this episode and you never heard about it please uh go to YouTube and it's available there but it is set in southern Africa and uh it's a beautiful place and it stars a um Bushman right who is a hunter gather of the Kalahari

er heard about it please uh go to YouTube and it's available there but it is set in southern Africa and uh it's a beautiful place and it stars a um Bushman right who is a hunter gather of the Kalahari Desert desert and the in in a nutshell it's all about uh this tribe discovering a glass of cocacola yes bottle and uh I live the majority of my life in Atlanta the the birth of Coca-Cola so it's a very interesting movie from that sense but the bottle is dropped from an airplane and because of it the tribe believes it's from their gods right so I'm not going to uh tell you the plot I may ask you uh and I if you can talk about the plot about this movie if you remember but it's all about the context the disruption and this journey to do something with this this bottle of cocacola and uh before we start I just want to say that uh as I mentioned before it is in the Kalahari Desert right but uh if you think about it anay at at that area of the world in southern Africa uh after a few months of uh a rainy season right what happens to the territory is that the water sinks into through the Deep Sands of the desert right so it's a a Sandy area and it just goes through very quickly and for about nine months out of the Year there is no water to drink so what you do right from from the ecosystem of that region majority of the animals move away but those people of the Kalahari they live they continue to stay those are considered they're recognized as the Bushmen and uh I love it whereas most people would die I would certainly die of thirst right right in in in two three uh days those individuals there they live quite well in the desert they developed a system of knowledge to know where to dig for roots for bulbs for tubers they know which berries and which FS they can eat without getting sick and even how to find water but aide of survival I this this group of people and I love it to say that they live in a kind of a paradise we could say like a Garden of Eden perhaps because that

ing sick and even how to find water but aide of survival I this this group of people and I love it to say that they live in a kind of a paradise we could say like a Garden of Eden perhaps because that population that Community they have no crime they have no violence they have no need for justice or laws they have no judges no lawyers no Punishment No No hierarchy no bosses and with all of that really collaborative way of living with each other they believe and I love this and I they believe that the gods plural right the African gods they only interfere by being a source of goodness they provide with only good things that are good things that are useful for them to use so for them the Bushmen there's no evil there is nothing that is bad they live in small groups of families right and uh um they rarely get away they don't need to they are they live in this community that is very harmonious and because of it they are consequently unaware of other people around them right and and uh they I would imagine don't know the concept of a civilized man right they're they're they are civilized without what we call civilized and uh even when they hunt those individuals they instead of killing they put an arrow with a uh substance to put the animal first to fall asleep then they go through that ritual of apologizing for praying and then um killing and uh giving asking for permission to feed their their family members right so it is very very interesting but most importantly I guess the most important thing uh that this movie it's fictional of course in in portraying the Bushman is that no one owns anything so there is no sense of possession so an love if we can get started with the discussion about collaboration competition from the the setting of the movie can we perhaps talk about what are the so-called civilized men in an antithesis to the Bushmen of the movie yes it's great that you remember this movie Mara because actually in 199 80 this movie is from 1980 I was in the states I was St I'm not going to say

d men in an antithesis to the Bushmen of the movie yes it's great that you remember this movie Mara because actually in 199 80 this movie is from 1980 I was in the states I was St I'm not going to say where I was I was at high school so it's it's great and all this discussion because already that's like 20 or more years previous to internet and yes 30 years previous to social media and things like that or more um but um you see they were already questioning using this metaphor by the way the the movie is also a comedy yes it's funny we laugh a lot a lot but um it's quite interesting because people were already very word with all the technology and the the lifestyle of what we call civilized man because the discussion and the discussion that the movie brings is that um we refuse to adapt ourselves to our surroundings as the Bushman did um in the movie of course and I think in real world of course there are tribes but uh so and Jonah Jung talks about this anthropos Social Development psychological development of um all this process of evolving conscious and development of um humankind that we need prises we talk about prises in this book that you finding peace and health and in this chapter that we are talking about chapter two about crises and pris in the world yeah um so priz is all about change yeah and evolution is about change nothing stays the same doesn't matter that our egos our Consciousness our person it once uh you know hold on yeah holds on to you know I want to have this and this nothing can change but time we are ego right ego here at least our conscious are adapting to this world this material world that we were talking so we have time we have Chronos here the time chronological time of the the our watch clocks and this and that so uh of course course um we are adapting we have to be uh at work on time we have to be at school and we have um duties to perform and as much as we develop technology to you know make make life uh a little less complicated and things

apting we have to be uh at work on time we have to be at school and we have um duties to perform and as much as we develop technology to you know make make life uh a little less complicated and things easier for us it's a paradox because life is so complicated nowadays if if you know what I mean it's not because oh but okay okay we are different um different ages right and people with with different uh experiences of the world we we say that nowadays small children like they are born um you know playing games yes right in the virtual games and things like that and mobile everybody's filming yeah babies and putting you know in the social media and things like that this would be so babies are used to someone not only taking pictures that as we used to do in the past but also filming saying things do that for Mom for Dad and then the the child does this and that it's not that it's bad uh it's the the times that we live but it's a adaptation Mara have you seen that but yes but I wanted to just a thought that came across me D to my mind because we we talked about ego right and and how in each of Our Lives we the ego is there being getting stronger and stronger to protect us and we did this with the creation of persona and uh Persona right is is the the word for the masks in the Greek Theater so the Persona is something that is is temporarily used I put in my hand here has my my mask to portray what I'm not and when we talk about the children today and you're you're you're speaking in the in the context of the disruption how technology is disruptive including to we don't know yet the impact of having a baby a year old they can barely walk if they can but boy they they know how to hold that mobile device and play with it right and and but with the filming and all of this I I'm wondering just the thought are we creating more and more stronger and earlier personas right just because of that that instrument that you're like like a mask right because smile oh no no no let me

'm wondering just the thought are we creating more and more stronger and earlier personas right just because of that that instrument that you're like like a mask right because smile oh no no no let me delete this smile let me delete oh this one let me post it so there is this conditioning very early on on what it is that we're supposed to look like behave like be like right yes I have some babies in my family from M and nephews that are having babies now and what you said remind me of one of very cute three-year-old um baby in my family trodler right and um the thing is that um nowaday I saw that in a family gathering the father I love the father I love the taller but was something that I couldn't as a psychiatrist not pay attention to he would say exactly that oh come and I want to take a picture like say Joseph would say Joseph I want to take a picture of you then the child is playing then he does like that and he goes on you know because he knows it's so when you said it's like this the mask yeah I think we are teaching in a certain way conditioning conditioning yeah yeah our children uh to make faces and make faces is part of the Persona I would say Mara that it's not that we are not the persona but the Persona is constructed it's built uh especially from what um uh helps adaptation yeah and what many times what we W wish we were and not exactly what we are so the thing is that if I wish I were this or that of course I I already have a value that that that's good and psychologically speaking that that's okay because I value this for instance being a nice person yeah being pathetic or being smiling because I know that makes people happy that that's okay that's good but what if I this this day or whatever I'm very worried I don't want to smile it's not that I'm upset with people but I want to be by myself I'm a teenager for instance and then the parents get really mad because the teenager always when it's a family gathering wants to take a picture and the teenager doesn't wants

t I want to be by myself I'm a teenager for instance and then the parents get really mad because the teenager always when it's a family gathering wants to take a picture and the teenager doesn't wants to smile doesn't wants to take a picture to conform yes uh and then it's oh he's not he's so bad behavior you know has a bad behavior he this and that and he's so boring or he's you know he's not growing to be a nice person maybe you know and it's not that it's because the teenage years adolescence is very complicated face we don't know what we are so people the adults should understand that you know the teenager needs some space of course doesn't mean you know spoiling the kid and saying he can do whatever no yeah but uh you know having having some understanding that sometimes it's not adequate to call for instance I'm just giving an example but if I think and I project myself onto my kid for instance um I want him to be you know we were talking about high school so the you know the SEL celebrity or you know yeah the real important person the leader this that and so he has to smile he has to have lots of friends he has to be extroverted and we haven't even talked about young psychological types yeah so if the kids is an introvert there's no problem he's going to be fine maybe he's going to be an artist yes uh or something like that uh writer for instance don't we all need artists and writers and and people and philosophers and even psychologist so I have to respect the psychological type so if I don't know any of that that we are talking about and I think that uh my kids or myself for instance I have to smile I have to be nice to give then I create a Persona and the worst things that I can get stuck in my Persona yeah I can uh I I will have worth only if I I'm like this that like you know a nice person that smiles a lot that it's ex extroverted and things like that and then everybody will love me I will have a lot of likes or love my kid and then I'm totally disrespecting you know everything that I

that smiles a lot that it's ex extroverted and things like that and then everybody will love me I will have a lot of likes or love my kid and then I'm totally disrespecting you know everything that I am so I'm creating conflict asna say that that's an inner conflict yeah that I'm creating for instance in the child in the teenager and I'm creating a trauma perhaps you know and I'm creating a some Neurosis some comp complexes so we have to pay attention to that as Yung said we need more psycholog and as Joanna says we need more understanding of psychology together together with with spirituality so I think it's so important as you said because in the movie for spoilers 40 years you can do it sorry people but it's so important because for they show the kids of the Bushmen yeah okay in the 80s but there was a tribe that they called Bushmen in the Kalah desert and all that so they were very creative they were very gentle very very well behaved because they were very loved and they could grow in contact with nature and they would be respected by everything that they create and in the beginning of the movie the the uh person that it's introducing you know that it's and the voice of the person that it's um talking about this and then uh the guy says okay and the Civilized man that we are talking about civiliz their kids man their kids have to spend 10 to 15 years or in the school only in the school to learn how to adapt in their own environment that they created so this was in the 90s imagine that uh in the 80s sorry yeah imagine now that we have all this technological Revolution the computers yes uh and that made um artificial intelligence and all of this so there are a lot of people out there afraid that they are not going to have jobs for instance yeah uh so we are also in um social crisis it's Global okay but what I think that's so important that it's so great that you brought this movie because um so that's the question that it's being asked by the movie so who is the Civilized man Bushman or what we

but what I think that's so important that it's so great that you brought this movie because um so that's the question that it's being asked by the movie so who is the Civilized man Bushman or what we call civilized men so what we see in the in the beginning for instance is that Bushmen are civilized and when they show a big city and the day by day of people in the big city uh there's this uh funny funny scene it came to my mind where the the lady that's the main character yeah um she's working she's a journalist I think yes yes yeah previously when she's getting a plan and going to the kalahar to be a teacher and all this stuff yeah but um she's working then she okay that it's time to have a lunch so she she goes to have a lunch and sit and ask a lady that it's sitting there if she can sit there and said the lady is okay says okay then she sits start said do the noise in my head bothers you and then she looks at the like what's going on you know I can't remember the name of the the lady that plays the the main character the Le character but she looks at that so uh we are like who is civilized a person that is in the surroundings and then gets like crazy you know because the in our hands yes yeah never stop we say the monkeys never stop yes they never it's Kate Kate is the the the character's name right thank you so yes Kate looks at the like no just don't bite me please something like that she doesn't say but she looks but I but I love the honesty right can you imagine can you imagine if we were more perhaps more authentic more transparent that ask you hey an today I'm so stressed do do all those thoughts disturb you because and they do right in a way they do they they they disrupt our report our uh how many times I'm just uh uh thinking here out loud how many times we are in meetings and it's clear it's clear that we're here and there is a camera and we're talking like we are today and there's somebody multitasking and and then you ask something and they go like uh uh what so

ings and it's clear it's clear that we're here and there is a camera and we're talking like we are today and there's somebody multitasking and and then you ask something and they go like uh uh what so why is it so difficult for us to be truly present to be truly authentic but I want us to go back to the idea of because I really appreciate you you you you talking about what is to be civilized if we think about it it's just a a very uh a com uh uh comedic approach to this Paradox right what is to be civilized what it's not and if everything that comes to our life in the case of the Bushman the bottle Coca-Cola as helpful and beautiful in everything that it did to that tribe but it's so disrupted that it's bad to just take it away right and that's the plot of the movie let me return this bottle because the Gods Must Be Crazy it's it's pushing us do you remember what it pushed the the the tribe to to change their behavior yeah because they they started using the bottle to to make music You Know by blowing in the bottle and make music the bottle was something they had really beautiful because it was not water of course it was translucent yes so it was not water but it was hard uh and they thought it was so beautiful and that was hard so it could help them cook because they would smash right the fruits and things like that make flour and they said a real labor saving device that the God sent to them in the in the beginning but the problem is that there was only one the kids would play okay there was only one so what happened there was you know nature everything is so abundant you have a lot of so everybody you know had like you say Iden a paradise that everybody could share everything because there were so a lot of things yeah but when there's only one and everybody it's suddenly they say everybody needed it they never needed it because it didn't exist previously yes fallowing from the sky right yeah so what happens that they start um going there and picking up from each other

they say everybody needed it they never needed it because it didn't exist previously yes fallowing from the sky right yeah so what happens that they start um going there and picking up from each other they start fighting uh so jealousy and you know people being Envy of each other then violence yes and some funny but it's kind of yeah yeah because the children are playing that goes there in get and no it's mine it's mine then just the smash with the Coca-Cola the head of the other so the the main character the the Bushman key right I think yeah H really goes there he's kind of the leader the Hunter and um yeah he grabs the things tries to give it back to the gods but it kept falling down I love that scene right he thrw okay God you threw it from from the the heaven above it's going to go back but it you know laws of gravity of course it's going to come back so they said they they they came to the they they got sad you know remember seeing they were by the fire they were so happy always talking to each other then they were all sad kind of depressed yes so it's really interesting and then um he decided that he would go uh if the Gods wouldn't pick back the the bottle back again so he would go to the end of the Earth and throw away yes because they he they arrived the God had always loved them and give them useful things and now they had given they had been careless yes and absentminded because they gave something that was they decided an evil thing because Chang them so I think psychologically speaking so um it's such a wonderful example of what Jonah J is saying of course we are first very naive in a sense that we okay we are sharing things but as soon as uh we have something that um we never needed before but then uh we we say that it gives us comfort or some moments of Happiness then I want to have then selfishness yes for instance and the the ambition things like that and envy so arrive in us so one of the things that Jonah say if we are talking about spirituality and also psychology yeah

have then selfishness yes for instance and the the ambition things like that and envy so arrive in us so one of the things that Jonah say if we are talking about spirituality and also psychology yeah one of the things Marsh and everybody that are um watching us uh and listening to this podcast um like program um that I think we should think together yeah is that um a crisis comes to help us change in a sense evolve and grow yes so we need uh not to judge of course because we don't know so much as being able to judge one another we don't know even about ourselves as you yourself were talking about the Persona and we know we want to remember here that the person Persona is the complex opposite to the shadow in yung's terms so they are like a a pair of two double cops as we say right uh so they are the opposite of it the Persona is everything that I think it's great and that will help me to adapt and the shadow um The Shadow bow in y's terms is everything that the ego rejects because it's in opposition to the person right and I think it's not going to help to me in adaptation to life and being loved and being appreciated so what happens is that uh everything that it's in the shadow that I don't know about for instance the Bushman suddenly just because there was something that felt from the sky and of course the gods with um you know it's not with capital G it's the gods yeah so it's small G so the Gods like the Greek gods are all projections of our inner world of um issues complexes and archetypes that we are not conscious about so of course the evil was already there it didn't fell from the sky with the bottom it's a very good point right it's it's so it invalidates the whole discussion of civilized and non- civilized and it shifts to it's all inside of us right all all inside of us yeah and brings this um this that spiritist knowledge brings so well talking about reincarnation about uh EV Evolution the law of progress we are always evolving in Consciousness Consciousness uh you

yeah and brings this um this that spiritist knowledge brings so well talking about reincarnation about uh EV Evolution the law of progress we are always evolving in Consciousness Consciousness uh you know towards God the unity and and using the the love the force of love to do that so we need to have discernment not judgment and discern yeah discernment to discern good and evil this is good this is bad and of course I will have a crisis as the Bushman es did with his family in his tribe okay this is bad for us because it made us have bad behaviors and towards each other but in the process they learned they were a little less naive because they learned that they were able of course they still projected onto the gods the gods were careless the gods but I'm quite the the the movie doesn't go uh so much you know if we could accompany this family tribe what they would tell and to each other and to Future Generations remember that time when the gods came remember that behavior that was a bad behavior we should never do that again for instance and then we are evolving and learning to discern good and evil light and Shadow right exactly we are here supposed to be doing yes so I think it's wonderful that you remember this movie and this opportunity for us to discuss about that thatana brings and I also would like Mar I know that we are don't have much time to um because youan talks about you know Prejudice yes um that are born uh with this ignorance about our own shadows and all the projection that we do on onto each other so that's why it's so important uh that we don't fight this crisis that we just uh calm ourselves and try to understand uh you know the meaning that it's behind everything that is happening to us yes absolutely I think there's a lot of Concepts in in today's uh talk so let me just try to review them so we talked about collaboration competition in in the realm of competition it it uh it it it's not the the evil competition but within the competition um attributes it's really

ust try to review them so we talked about collaboration competition in in the realm of competition it it uh it it it's not the the evil competition but within the competition um attributes it's really leading to the shadow right it's leading to competition it's leading to selfishness versus collaboration where uh a group of people even two people can share without fear without uh uh all of those sentiments that are very much um childish psychologically speaking right um the other thing that we we we talked about is that this movie brings about is the fact that in a nality uh aspect we all bring our persona persona meaning that fabricated uh uh outward looking uh uh I'm projection of who we want to be to be able to meet the demands of the world right it's a projection of what we want to be but then the shadow is what we exactly repress but both of those aspects are who we are therefore collaboration competition Persona Shadow we really need to to start to embrace both sides of the same coin and and learn to to to be there um uh with those conceptor here I wanted to to just uh before we wrap up um I wanted to to say that it's it's so important for us to to understand that this conversation perhaps is to resignify it's this invitation for you for me for all of us to resignify the idea of a a sick world right because when we say you are sick therefore you need to heal but I believe you said an that crisis right the crisis that are the trigger for the world to be sick it's just a a question of a moment in time a period of time that we're all are undergoing some sociological or psychological crisis but they're here here so that we are pushed upon we're pressed upon the need to re-evaluate who we are what the opportunities are and really to to grab the courage to understand and accept Paradigm shifts I think if I can uh uh before I give the mic back to you if I can just say let's have the courage to analyze if the gods are indeed crazy and if for giving whatever that may be a bottle of

digm shifts I think if I can uh uh before I give the mic back to you if I can just say let's have the courage to analyze if the gods are indeed crazy and if for giving whatever that may be a bottle of Coca-Cola a mobile device a new home a new job whatever that is if it is something that is creating such disruption that is bringing you to to to live in a world that is very difficult very competitive very hurtful uh we should have the courage to do something about it don't you think I know I think it's beautiful beautifully said um and um listening to you Marca I just wanted to say one last thing I remember um about hermus trim magistus that it's an helenistic uh period figure uh and Yung talks a lot about uh his um he like created uh hertica that we call a series of ancient texts yeah okay that lay the basis of uh various philosophical systems but why if we are talking that why bring armstr Magistas people can put in the Wikipedia and because the Artic principle of Correspondence yes and that suggests that patterns yeah of the universe that we are part we are cosm beings we are made of the same substance of the that um makes you know all the universe okay yeah repeat across different levels of reality and in spiritist knowledge we talk about different dimensions and new talk talks about the transpersonal dimension of the py the collective unconscious so this principle is summarized as watch this as above so below as within so without so this is the principle of Correspondence so if we are fighting each other yes and when we are fighting each other when we are creating Wars yes when we are projecting Shadows onto each other okay we are like like um we are apart from this Cosmic principle of correspondant so we make as um the crazy Gods from the movie we make uh our own personal hell let's say because I'm not in harmony with the universe with this law of Correspondence so if um I'm feeling really dissociated of my light because everybody in the higher self has a light we are daughters and

y because I'm not in harmony with the universe with this law of Correspondence so if um I'm feeling really dissociated of my light because everybody in the higher self has a light we are daughters and sons from this the Creative Source of light life in the universe that we call gods or any other way that people want to call to call um so the thing is that the light is within us so if we are uh get apart from this knowledge and from this principle of Correspondence that everything is deeply interconnected correct and we are all interconnected it it's it's not all it's not a problem at all to have a shadow we are evolving together the problem is that I don't if I don't want to acknowledge and do the homework you know that we are in this big school of ours called Earth to do some kind of homework and to learn more and what's the homework to learn about myself as deeply as I can including my own shadow to be compassionate towards myself so that I can integrate I can accept everything that I am and then I'm free to accept everything that my brothers and sisters in humanity are yes and so it's the it would be the end of any type of pre Prejudice or manipulation and it would be it will be Mara the what we call in spiritist knowledge the regenerate world when it's another step in evolution where we vibrate more according to this knowledge to light that Joanna is helping us to learn to study to talk about in like you know to watch from this movies and watch this movies movies and yes and see in a different light as we see each other in a different light oh I didn't like what my friend my my relative did okay sometimes he won't like what I do and everything is okay because we are all learning together discernment and cooperation in evolution isn't that great that's beautiful that's beautiful we are unfortunately at time so I hate to say this but we have to say goodbye and uh until next time and I thank you thank you for being here everyone thank you for sharing this this uh almost hour together where we talk

at time so I hate to say this but we have to say goodbye and uh until next time and I thank you thank you for being here everyone thank you for sharing this this uh almost hour together where we talk about collaboration competition but most importantly the invitation to love to be to be yourself authentically so but with that thank you so much and I'll see you next time anay thank you everybody thank you bye-bye Mara bye-bye everybody