Ep 153 - Fulfillment at Home: The Moral Compass of Humanity

Hello everyone, welcome to psychology and spirituality, a bridge to a better life podcast. And uh each week we meet and we explore uh what I call this intersection of psychology and spirituality. And each and every week I walk out of here with so much more knowledge and uh um capturing some timeless wisdom that uh this guests like you Yodi bring to us. So thank you for being here. My name is Marcia Trojano. Yudi Castro is here with me once again. How are you doing Yudi? >> I'm doing very well. Thank you so much Marcia. It's a pleasure and honor to be here. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening to everyone. >> Uh thank you and I want to welcome you back to to the program Yodi. As we know we met last week and we discussed um the topic was the spiritual mission of the family right and uh specifically I don't know if you remember it's been seven days but we talked about this karmic or those hidden bonds that connect family members. We also talked a little bit about uh the cases of unresolved emotional conflicts and some insights into how can we strengthen our families. And today, Yudi, I propose that we dive into what I consider quite rich content. We've been talking about family from very different angles. But uh uh if we can go a little bit further in yet a different perspective, a different angle to this topic based on Joanna Angel's writings. So, Yi, can we talk about love, responsibility, spiritual growth and um also I would love if we could maybe discuss about this powerful idea that the family is where our greatest opportunities for evolution unfolds. Right? So, are you ready? And if so, can we start by discussing perhaps the family with a concept that Joelena brings to in her writings? Um, the family as a divine project and I would ask you in your opinion why do you think uh Joanna says that? Why does she describe the family as this treasure, this gem, this something so important? And uh she of course as she she highlights and elevates the concept of families or um she downplays the idea

? Why does she describe the family as this treasure, this gem, this something so important? And uh she of course as she she highlights and elevates the concept of families or um she downplays the idea that it is it is not or should not be a social arrangements. Do you have any thoughts on that aspect of her work? >> Absolutely. Great point, Marcia, and connects very well, like you said, with what we were discussing just in the previous episode regarding the karmic or the the spiritual ties and the meaning that we can we can see in families regarding those ties and the the divine project that Joanna talks about regarding the families is because there is this unique opportunity and that's why she uses the word treasure because treasure is something that there's a connotation of something valuable, something that is sought, you know, after like something that we we value. So family as this opportunity is something that is so great for us to understand as immortal spirits because then it changes our perspective completely. We can see family as being this arrangement that is go that goes way beyond the social arrangement because if we think of just a social arrangement, we're thinking with materialistic eyes. We're thinking of uh of just this one life, there's one chance, there's only one thing for everything. when in fact we should be considering the multiple incarnations of the spirit the connection between the family members that were more likely than not forged before this current life. So when we see like that, we can see, wow, this is an opportunity that I have to evolve, to grow spiritually with these people that are around me. And who knows how long and how much effort it took for us to be in the situation together. >> Yeah. Somebody just mentioned to me and it was a a short conversation and it's so funny as as you bring about these uh immortal souls, immortal spirits that come together that more likely than not have met before, right? And uh this conversation was just a chitchat with uh

it's so funny as as you bring about these uh immortal souls, immortal spirits that come together that more likely than not have met before, right? And uh this conversation was just a chitchat with uh uh this person and she mentioned you would laugh that uh so this woman is older than me and so her daughter is her youngest daughter is not so young right granted but it's her youngest daughter and we always see our children as young ones. No matter if I am a hundred years old and you're 80 I still see my 80-year-old as my baby. Right. So anyway, so she was admonishing herself for this and that and uh the youngest daughter comes in and gives her the biggest the most insightful the most profound lesson. And we're not going to go into what the lesson was, but she she you know, the youngest daughter did that. So this friend was like, "Huh? Wait a minute. Who's the mother here? How come she's so wise?" And yes uh the answer to that uh uh you know uh thoughts and and internal question is we don't know >> uh our youngest being in the 40s or 10 year old they may be much wiser older spirits than we are right >> they may be and and it's interesting you mention that because I was actually talking to a friend today about that because I have two very young sons and we were talking about oh these are children but at the same time who knows how long this spirit has been >> there what what they actually bring to the table because we we look at them so small my oldest is six and you think oh it's just a child like because we're we're looking at it often times with just like this materialistic view but if we stop to think about it >> we have to to to just imagine like how old is this spirit what >> correct do they actually bring with you know already with talents with a skill set with all of those things that they have worked before and also the things they need to work on. So, it's it's interesting you mentioned that because I I do think that we often times if we're not very mindful, we can look at our

at they have worked before and also the things they need to work on. So, it's it's interesting you mentioned that because I I do think that we often times if we're not very mindful, we can look at our children or we can look, you know, and just say, "Oh, they're they're younger. They don't know much better." But don't really like sometimes they may end up knowing way more but because they're in this this this envelopment this fleshly you know like the the the the bottle like the the the container this container that is very small and underdeveloped biologically but spiritually who knows who knows what's >> what's what what what they're bringing and like I said how long did it take and how many how much effort did it take actually for us to be in this situation together. Because we see this in many books in the Spiritist literature about these families that take sometimes centuries, millennia even to be able >> to be in a position that they can re uh rekindle, you know, these these uh love connections or they can amend these ties that were broken perhaps thousands of years ago. So it is such a unique and important uh experience. Would you agree? >> Oh, I agree. And uh this is a point that is so important for all of us to to reflect upon to be reminded that uh what it could be understood as random uh arrangement of of people coming together. random uh because uh historically speaking uh contextually speaking we're no longer at least in the west um marrying from an arrangement mar arranged marriage type of situation right I happened to uh side note here uh when I was in uh in India several years ago Yodi uh it was so beautiful I the whole thing is still crystallized in my memory. Um because we were at a temple just beautiful temple and quite large courtyard and we had a tour guide um telling us about the art etc etc and uh and we saw this group of girls sit sitting in a circle and a group of boys in another circle close by and yet a larger group of adults talking And so he

uide um telling us about the art etc etc and uh and we saw this group of girls sit sitting in a circle and a group of boys in another circle close by and yet a larger group of adults talking And so he he he pointed to to us and he said this is an example of what you see in in the arrangement to get married where um often times the boy let's say is not even sure about the girl and the girl is really not sure at all but it is a social construct to put those two individuals together. We're not judging here. We're just going to flip to the west where for many centuries now um that has dilute that um type of coming together to be to be uh to start a family is no longer uh done right. uh we we we eroded the concept of arranging for uh climbing social political or just simply power arrangements and we we come together because we love and behind the love which is >> pure uh abstract because we cannot really quantify in numbers but we can feel strongly that emotion can unveil right or or mask perhaps not unveil but mask millennia as you said of uh uh getting together in an orchestration to put those two souls together to now be part of a new family. Right. >> Absolutely. And even if we think about the cultural piece >> or let's say there's there's probably a reincarnatory uh uh arrangement or something before that as well. And in in many cases these cultures where there's this arranged type of marriage in a way for the higher spirits might be actually easier because like okay we're going to put you here and here and you're you're a family they want to they want a bone so you guys are going to get together now we have too much freedom so who knows I think from it's actually if we think of the other side of this the flip side of the coin here again everything everything is fair and everything happens not by accident. So even if we think of something okay it was merely for social uh reasons or because of power or because whatever it may be in these cultures and how it was in the

everything happens not by accident. So even if we think of something okay it was merely for social uh reasons or because of power or because whatever it may be in these cultures and how it was in the west in the past >> we can also think the higher spirits are always help helping. So even in those situations guarantee there is a reason behind that it's not randomness because God we know is not unfair. >> Yeah. And um um I think it's uh in in the book written uh by this the spirit author Andre Louu right uh psychoraphed by uh Shik Xavier uh or action and reaction that he he brings a little bit about that uh um reincarnatory say plan that is designed before we ever come together. And uh and I just remember a movie Yudi um it's um What Dreams May Come. Have you watched that? >> Oh, I love that. Robin Williams. Yes. >> Yes. I I >> Absolutely. It's one of my favorite movies. Yes. >> Yeah. It's beautiful. Right. It's a feast. >> Very emotional. >> Yeah. And it's beautifully crafted from the the as if it was a work of art. Uh and uh I read the book before I watched the movie. And uh you would say it is uh a spiritist book >> because 90% of the book uh is very very much what we understand as that reincarnatory plan and uh uh the the trials and tribulations the consequences in this case uh of her suicide and and his bond right his uh I want to I want to rescue you my my my daughter my my darling I'm sorry. So anyways, um uh when when I when I think of that and and why did I bring it up that that movie specifically is the fact that uh and I'm I'm drawing from memory so correct me if I'm wrong here. Uh at the very end because they love each other, they commit to come back. Mhm. They do. Again, this Yeah. >> And and it ends with the two two kids meeting in at a beach, I think. >> Yeah. Just so so cute because we don't see that. Why is it that I see somebody and we see love at first sight, right? There's this boom, this strong connection. and you are in a crowd of a thousand people, but two people are

cause we don't see that. Why is it that I see somebody and we see love at first sight, right? There's this boom, this strong connection. and you are in a crowd of a thousand people, but two people are drawn to each other. It it explains this um um if if I flip from the idea of this this design this divine um design this divine project that is done before we are even aware before we even meet the other. Um, do you do you think that uh we are and this is just your opinion here, but do you think that we again western society um are we prepared as couples to to perhaps uh join together uh in in a marriage in this case or whatever it is to start a family? Do you think that we're ready intellectually and emotionally to really cultivate all the aspects required to to to to express love in all its the dimensions within the family? Meaning are we fulfilling our mission as part of a family in this divine pro project? >> I think again it's hard to generalize, right? because each each case is very unique and each family has its you know its own trajectory and the spirits as well. But of course if we're talking about fulfilling the steps that we can definitely fulfill and love how we know how to love so far given our our own evolutionary pathway as immortal spirits. We of course we'll find limitations but I do think that I do I think that we have what it takes. We have we are we are I think that we are able to actually love and to be able to uh uh fulfill these commitments that we we make before we reincarnate and be able to forgive and be able to love and be able to uh bravely accept someone else and to help them and to exert like to do charity and all those things for people that are in our closest circle aka the family. this, you know, >> this microcosm of society, as we've talked in previous episodes, too. >> And I think that that is a big piece when when we look at ourselves and we see, okay, this is how much I still need to learn and how much I I still need to grow and how much I can help those

, too. >> And I think that that is a big piece when when we look at ourselves and we see, okay, this is how much I still need to learn and how much I I still need to grow and how much I can help those around me to grow as well and grow from them and with them and learn from what the things that they have already acquired perhaps that I may >> have not acquired just yet, you know. So I think it's a very organic very uh fluid >> sort of process in this evolution. But yeah, I think I think so. >> Yeah. And and it's very interesting because Joanna in many of her books whenever she's talking about uh um men and women or whatever it is that your because I don't want us to be very um formulaic in in in what it is that union, right? But uh uh when two individuals uh come together and uh the from Joanna that uh coming together I'm going to call marriage is really a an opportunity for growth right uh an opportunity not only to say you're super compatible you can live together but what else right what are the choices what are responsibilities. How are we um fulfilling our mission uh individually and with the family unit and socially? So, it's escalating in terms of what we're doing through the marriage and and I find it quite interesting and this is just a thought um the family of today Yudi and it was funny I was just watching so funny uh a friend Please don't judge me, but this is a really cheesy uh French series about Agata Christie's murder. It's a murder mystery in the 70s. So it's just really cheesy, hyper caricatures. But the first thing that comes to my mind was boy and I, you know, I wasn't prepared for the level caricaturesque of an era of women having the rights, right? Uh, and you go, "Yeah, >> wait a minute." But it's funny because it it uh we're evolving. So this is from the movie. But if you go back to to the family of today is no longer that family say pre World War II, right? or even with the changes with uh the aftermath of that uh war where women became much

from the movie. But if you go back to to the family of today is no longer that family say pre World War II, right? or even with the changes with uh the aftermath of that uh war where women became much more uh able to join the workforce and then more changes in terms of dual income and what happens to the children, who does what when and it just each um not even generation but each um evolution of that family unit keeps changing, adapting, maturing and today absolutely it does not look like what it was for example when I was born or a generation later when my parents were born or even two generations earlier right when my yes grandparents so uh if we look into that and I'm thinking about uh the arranged marriage example when you said maybe it's the easier path. But uh I I I I keep wondering this new family of today, it's uh probably one that allows for the required uh or the sup I'm trying to to uh compose my thoughts here and I'm not doing a good job at it. But uh as we are um really accelerating our spiritual growth individually and as a family and collectively uh the change in what the family looks like is allowing for richer and more complex uh groupings of people that will fulfill that idea of love. Any thoughts on that? Does this make sense what I'm saying? I think I I mean I don't know if I understood exactly but I understood part of what you're saying and I think at least that's what my mind is telling me like in the sense Marcia in the sense that these groupies are becoming more complex because the spirits are getting more complex. If we think of a of again as we always use the the analogy of a school. If we think of a of a group of peers that are in the last year of high school versus a group of peers in the first year of middle school, how how complex are their conversations? How complex are their interactions? I think same thing when we think of the units of the family composed of spirits that >> guaranteed 2,000 years ago were much more crude and different than what they

How complex are their interactions? I think same thing when we think of the units of the family composed of spirits that >> guaranteed 2,000 years ago were much more crude and different than what they are now because the law of progress propels everybody forward never backward. So if we think about the school analogy which is also very simplistic on my part but if we think about the type of interactions and the connections and everything the the the conversations the level of knowledge of those two groups we can we can see a stark difference and I think it's it's similar to what you're saying that right now it's allowing for more complex dynamics for more complex knowledge to be able to be put into place this knowledge of the spirit of the immortality of the soul with the advent of spiritism almost 200 years ago now where we have answers to things that we didn't have 1500 years ago when we were still thinking in in a way that's or even 500 years ago we were still thinking in a way that was way less uh complex and perhaps more fatalistic and with you know these arranged uh marriages just for the the sake of social component and you know all of those things. So yes, I I do think it's getting becoming more complex because we are also becoming more complex. >> Yeah. It's almost a kaleidoscope of uh >> uh of uh spirits coming together in in for example right uh I am married to somebody who was married to somebody else and children from that uh that union. I brought my union. So you see it's just it's it's very interesting uh how do we exercise love um in different or evolving structures of us being together but anyways um I wanted to maybe pivot our discussion if you don't mind uh uh borrowing from the idea not only of this divine project this the reincarnatory plan that we we create or cocreate before we are born. Um but if we talk perhaps about the children uh not as our children and and reminds me of um oh gosh what's his name? Khalil Gibran there is a poem that is so

we create or cocreate before we are born. Um but if we talk perhaps about the children uh not as our children and and reminds me of um oh gosh what's his name? Khalil Gibran there is a poem that is so beautiful. Your children are not your children. the children of and he goes on u beautiful beautiful poem that he he wrote um and uh but the children as not ours like this sense of ownership but as uh and and Joanna brings that concept to us that children are quote unquote I'm doing air quote here divine loans and when we bring or think about that if they're not mine. I'm responsible for them, right? But I don't own them. How does it change the way we see parenting, right? And uh and even we were talking earlier about the when we see that way, we always automatically start to assume that that child, this three-year-old, fouryear-old child may be a much older spirit, but beyond that, uh can we can we talk about it perhaps? >> Yes. Amazing. I love that you you brought that because the divine loans as you as you said that Joanna talks about relates directly to this idea that >> for I mean from a material perspective everything's going to stay behind. >> Yeah. >> The the the the body we inhabit the names we carry right now the you know the family arrangement as far as like I'm the father of these two sons named this and that like that's going to stay behind. What's going to matter is after like how we we deal with it this right now and then we leave after that and who knows what will be in our in our next life because the thing is the divine loan and the word loan already implies this notion that it doesn't belong to me. So these these my two sons they don't belong to me and I think what it helps because that's your question. I think it helps us open our eyes and >> it really corrods or I guess not corrods erodess the materialistic view of this is me selfishly speaking these are my sons nobody can have them they must be all uh for me and no one else this and that. So the the selfish tendencies when

rods erodess the materialistic view of this is me selfishly speaking these are my sons nobody can have them they must be all uh for me and no one else this and that. So the the selfish tendencies when we these are eroding as we start to understand that these children quote unquote children because my sons are children right now but these immortal spirits >> they don't belong to me they they are in the sense of of temporarily being my sons but that's right now I don't know what was before I don't know what's going to be after but they are all children of God. >> Yeah. >> Just like me, just like you. So when we think of that, that's why she's saying I think divine loans because again we we think of God being the father/mother whatever you want to think about of everyone. So we don't own we don't these these children they don't belong to me. And I think that's a big component because a lot of the times >> we see excessive selfishness and we see this materialistic uh way that some that parents often times go about when there's a divorce for instance of the children almost treated as like >> prized possessions you know assets you know so like >> so I think that having this notion these are they are my children they are my sons they in this life temporarily that's it because after however many decades I still have left. That's it. You know that th those labels, they will be gone and they are children of God just like me, just like you. >> Can I can I read to you? I I found uh uh just an excerpt of Khalil. >> And I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right. Khalil. Khalil. Anyways, Gibron's the prophet. Beautiful book I read when I was quite young. and uh in in the chapter uh called on children I believe it's one of the most beautiful reflection on on what we're talking here the spiritual independence of children so um he says Jon says your children are not your children right they're the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself they come through you but not from you. And though they are with you,

ldren so um he says Jon says your children are not your children right they're the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself they come through you but not from you. And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love, but not your thoughts. For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies, but not their souls. For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you. For life goes not backward, nor tries with yesterday. And I just think it's absolutely absolutely gorgeous um message right on on the law of progress as you mentioned alluded to earlier. We cannot just hold on to to um a a crystallization of what the being is. It's the future belongs to them, not to us. Right. >> Amazing. I love the I love the poem. I I I never I never heard it uh before. So that's that's nice. And it's good how he interplays with the the prepositions. He's changing the prepositions and he changes the meaning completely. Very >> very nice. Very deep. >> Very good. Awesome. Um, let me see because we we're we're we're talking a lot about a lot of things, but uh I wanted to see maybe what we should talk uh next is uh um the notion and it's very hard by the way uh the discussion from Joanna the Angelus about uh sacrifice right and and countering uh as a counterpoint to spiritual maturity and uh and she she brings that idea that sacrifice does not mean martyrdom, victimhood, right? So you say sacrifice we always think of martyrs or or uh complete uh loss of everything. And to me the word sacrifice just means uh becoming the effort will be become sacred, right? It's a way to to get closer to God for the sacred output of whatever you're doing. But um how can we do this? How can we see um the family as a in your case your husband, your father, but you're also a son, you may also be a brother, a cousin, so on so forth, right? But as uh the father uh in

can we do this? How can we see um the family as a in your case your husband, your father, but you're also a son, you may also be a brother, a cousin, so on so forth, right? But as uh the father uh in your case um it it's important for us to talk about do we feel that oh I'm a father now I have to let go of my dreams right instead it is >> through the mission of taking care of those uh those children in this case uh we really get closer to them to ourselves closing to God, right? >> Yes. Absolutely. Because we we we hear the word sacrifice used a lot because >> I mean each person I think listening to this or watching this may have a different concept perhaps of what sacrifice entails and because we always hear oh your parents sacrificed so much for you or you we sacrifi we sacrifice so much for you as well. Like we we always hear this word thrown around and I think without martyrdom that this this comes when we understand that >> it is it's so beautiful to have a family and to into being a family I think Marcia because it does teach us it does teach us about sacrifice in the sense of I need to live for others. >> Yeah. >> Regardless of being a son, a brother, a cousin, a father, a husband, doesn't matter. my life is interconnected and and we're all inter where there's this interdependency. >> Yeah. >> Within the family members, within the family unit and even as society as a whole because I think it's so beautiful to think that, hey, I'm sacrificing um I'm I'm sacrificing, you know, my time to be able to work so I can provide for my family. So, I am making a a choice to provide better for them if I'm working a little bit more perhaps or things like that. But that's a that's a conscious quote unquote sacrifice. And that's what I said because it teaches me as well like, hey, I'm doing this for them. But at the same time, I cannot lose track of who I am and my dreams like you said because I think a lot of the times this happens where they just they they see everything as sacrifice

g this for them. But at the same time, I cannot lose track of who I am and my dreams like you said because I think a lot of the times this happens where they just they they see everything as sacrifice and there's victimization and therefore you think okay >> but then with that comes guilt with that comes uh pointing the finger I sacrificed everything for you and now you're giving me that there there's a lot of negative emotions that can start up from from when we see it like that. Instead, if we see it sacrifice as like, hey, um, leaving something behind so I can pursue something different. That's a that's the sacrifice we want to look towards. >> Yeah. The and another move that comes to my mind. I my the images come to my mind when we're talking. my apologies, but uh Schindler's List and I I may have talked about it before uh with you, but um and there's lots of you know it's based on a book real life and uh uh there is this uh uh the y in yin and yang of that story but what I wanted to point out is his sacrifice which is a lot about self-s serving granted but his sacrifice to help all those individuals from uh being killed during the Holocaust, right, during World War II um was his legacy. And I think maybe that's what we can think about it. It's not that I'm sacrificing and now uh my child, I took care of you. The sacrifice means you're going to take care of me. Nope, you don't have to. My love for you um was this um opportunity, this treasure as Jonathan Angelus tells us to by taking care of you, I learned about love, right? And through if you will, renunciation or giving up um spending my whole time just partying, etc., etc. And I'm just joking here as a as a visual image, but I'm doing this and it's not as you mentioned already. It's not about oh uh I expect a fade back, but it is uh growth and uh psychological and spiritual maturity, right? I think that, you know, there's there's a phrase that comes to my mind that my father always talked about is it's in Portuguese, but it's it's something like

ychological and spiritual maturity, right? I think that, you know, there's there's a phrase that comes to my mind that my father always talked about is it's in Portuguese, but it's it's something like uh like every time the the meaning of the sentence like every time you choose something, you're giving up on a thousand other things, you know? So, every time with every choice you make, >> yeah, >> you're leaving a whole array or a whole gamut of choices behind because you chose that. So, I think sacrifice in that way as well. Whenever I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to uh I gave the example of I'm going to work more so I can provide a better life. But there's also, okay, I'm going to work less because I want to give my children more time with me instead of working. >> So that's the other side of it. I'm sacrificing perhaps getting more money, perhaps becoming richer, perhaps having more, you know, um professional accomplishment. But that's the sec. But I'm giving up on that to gain something else which is time with my family, my sons, my wife, bonding and all those things. So with every choice, you give up something else. >> And that's that's that's a that's a fact in life. So the sacrifice I think when I when I think of the word sacrifice means I'm making this choice in favor of everything other that I can choose, but I'm I have to be conscious and aware that that's the best choice for me and for others. Absolutely. And I and I think uh the key message uh to me is how can I as a parent give without losing myself as well, right? which means uh the using the word sacrifice becoming sacred uh can be a sacrifice of >> silencing if you will some of my aspirations that were perhaps more egocentric but now I can no longer be in that space. >> Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of a lot of families go through that especially I usually see this when younger very young parents or unplanned pregnancies and like things like that when families are formed in that manner where it's more unplanned or people are younger there's

ly I usually see this when younger very young parents or unplanned pregnancies and like things like that when families are formed in that manner where it's more unplanned or people are younger there's a lot of of talk of like oh I had the dream of doing this and this and that or traveling that place that place and you know getting that degree and but I sacrificed everything for for the child etc etc but with that comes this whole like load of oh I lost myself I lost lost my identity and that's something that is very important for us to realize you know we have many identities in the sense of and you already mentioned a few of mine I'm a father I'm a husband know you're the father you're the husband you're the psychologist you're the friend you're the cousin you're the son you're the brother >> and the thing is >> we can't lose lose sight of that I think Marcia because a lot of the times if I'm going to eliminate completely you're the professional and focus solely on let's say being a brother then what you Then am I is that really the right choice? Maybe it will be for some people. But more often than not, what we see is regrets because people say like, "Oh, I sacrificed everything >> and now I feel lost." You know, now >> what what do I do now? >> Yeah. The the the famous uh uh midlife crisis, right? where we climb. We're the top of our health, the top usually of our uh professional careers, maybe financial well-being and uh and at that point you go like whoopsies, not really what I wanted, but that moment of reflection that uh should we be uh always um emphasizing one versus the other? But uh when we talked about it and it's something that you said so well a concept that perhaps in some cases families come together after millennia that orchestration to come together truly may have take many many iterations to to ready uh those uh souls to come together to fulfill their mission. So from that perspective, family, the concept of family is one of a laboratory to heal if you will past lives, right?

terations to to ready uh those uh souls to come together to fulfill their mission. So from that perspective, family, the concept of family is one of a laboratory to heal if you will past lives, right? Some past wounds and uh and it's really important from that perspective if you go back to sacrifice versus uh legacy. This is like I'm I'm thinking of again Schindler's list. His legacy was his sacrifice that led for uh hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people as the children and grandchildren, great-grandchildren of those that he saved. Right? So, but in a in a less uh epic proportion, all of us will have a legacy based on how well we we embrace our responsibility within the family. uh but also understand that some um families really are the only purpose the success of that family is all about being together to address to heal some old conflicts. Right. >> Absolutely. Because when we look at again when we we put the lens of the spirit and we see those things in that nature we can definitely definitely see you said the word laboratory. So we can think of like I I thought of these different chemicals, you know, combining into this conion. And that's that's how kind of like how families are. You have these very different elements and you put them together and they form something completely unique. And that is absolutely beautiful because yes, sometimes it takes millennia to orchestrate those elements to combine them together and say finally now these four people are able to to the third one was lagging behind but now they caught up. So now we can like maybe everybody can reincarnate together this and that so forth and so on. Of course, I'm being overly simplistic here. But we don't know. That's why I said we don't know how much effort and how long it took for us to be in the situation in the position in the family that we're in. We don't know. So the best thing that we can do is value that is to try to be better every single day. just a little bit but be better every single day as a

n the position in the family that we're in. We don't know. So the best thing that we can do is value that is to try to be better every single day. just a little bit but be better every single day as a person, as a father, as a husband, as you know, all those different roles that we talked about. >> Transcend, right? Transcend our I would say egoic constructs which is based on a a false sense of what success looks like. >> Uh success is um >> and I I I know a dear dear dear family um that I I work with. the the mother who uh the success comes from just high powered very um nice titles within the organization that we work and uh uh the children going to Ivy League schools and getting the best and uh looking a certain way. I mean, it's really all of the pressure um Yi has led uh one of the family members all almost die of malnutrition through eating disorders and because it was just this this on point and it it broke my heart to to know the the story behind the so-called success. If we if we and and I'm not judging, they're doing quite well now, but it was a very uh difficult moment they they went through. Uh but if we think about it as um as the baseline, is this what we want or do we want to heal those wounds, right? Or do we want to just purely love? Maybe that spirit came to you in your family to be loved. And doesn't mean love without discipline, right? But to be just loved, to embrace that spirit as the spirit is to give them wings to to grow. Uh so I I think it's it's really important and uh which brings that notion that um goes back to something we talked last week which is uh sometimes we we do have to go through some very difficult relationships within our family members. >> Yeah. >> Because they will confronting through those difficulties will allow everyone to to grow. Right. Everybody can grow always because we again the law of progress. But the thing is how much are we um seizing those opportunities? How much are we actually >> taking those moments and saying okay

Right. Everybody can grow always because we again the law of progress. But the thing is how much are we um seizing those opportunities? How much are we actually >> taking those moments and saying okay this is a time for reflection? This is a time for me to grow. What am I actually pursuing? That's a big question too because >> these midlife crisis you talked about they definitely revolve around this idea that I'm pursuing something. >> And I get to a point where I'm like oh no something is missing. this is not this is not what I thought it was. >> Yeah. >> And you feel the emptiness and you feel despair coming from that emptiness and so forth and so on. So it's it's like a domino effect of sorts. So balance is very important. When we talked about the different identities, this breaking these selfish patterns of I'm just going to do everything for myself and I'm just going to >> work work work work and not like be a millionaire but and then my children have like five different babysitters every single day. I mean is that really what they need? Is that really what I need to to see with them? Like did have they come here only >> to for that you know really like it's it's something for each one of us I think to reflect because again each case is very unique. It's hard to generalize but the only thing we can generalize is that everybody is here for a purpose. >> There's no randomness in this the family arrangements. >> Nobody's in the wrong address spiritually speaking. >> Yeah. And we all evolve. So we're we're meant to be together and evolve together. So the question becomes, what can I do? What is my role in this? >> Yeah. And and I was just going to add to that that includes if you're adopted, that includ >> no randomness. >> Yeah. The kaleidoscope of different family types, it does not matter. You were here because you were chosen to be exactly where you are in whatever circumstance. And and the circumstance that comes to my mind, you already uh reference uh physical, right? your

ot matter. You were here because you were chosen to be exactly where you are in whatever circumstance. And and the circumstance that comes to my mind, you already uh reference uh physical, right? your physical body, your mental um well-being, uh your emotional well-being, your spiritual being, all of it uh comes together despite of some aspects that like I could be better. Remember, you're here to to really fulfill your um your mission within the family and doing that to you're directing the growth of the entire humanity. It's not a small feat. It's not a small mission, but it requires us to focus on our that family cell, the family unit first and then beyond. Right. Yes. >> I want I want to say that uh Yodi that Joanna uh calls the family as an island, right, where God gathers spirits to build universal love. And and I I I think that's quite an interesting quote because it really uh demonstrates that it at the end of the day it's all about love. It's about respect. It's about uh um humility, selfawareness, and but most importantly, how can I love those that are uh quote unquote chose to be with? So, uh are are there any final words that you would like to to perhaps to wrap up our conversation today? I think again thinking of the divine justice perspective, there's no injustice, divine injustice. So it's if we're here for for a purpose, if we're here not because of a random event, then let's make the best out of that. Let's realize what it is that we have we can control what we can sacrifice and make the best for ourselves and for those around us that are all who are also spirits marching towards the planitude of the spirit. Ah, beautiful, beautiful. I would say that fulfillment in the family uh and this is for me but for all of us perhaps fulfillment in the family is not about achieving perfection right fulfillment in the family it's it's to exercise to express love in movement in evolution in progress in growth so that we are aligned we're truly becoming uh sacred or sacrificing uh with how we

right fulfillment in the family it's it's to exercise to express love in movement in evolution in progress in growth so that we are aligned we're truly becoming uh sacred or sacrificing uh with how we talked about the word in everything that we do. Beauty, it is time us to say goodbye. >> Time goes by so fast, doesn't it? But I want to say thank you. Thank you uh Yudi and thank you all of you who are here with us today. >> If this is the first time you are listening to our program, please take a note. the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna D'Angel yes I know you heard us talk many many times and reference her work her body of work right but uh I do hope that you're able to perhaps get some thoughts that are meaningful to you around this topic and Yudi thank you and thank all of our sponsors Mandu Cameo the United States Spirits Federation the International Spirits Council and Ami Brazil, the Brazilian arm of the Medical Spiritist Association. Yudi, such a pleasure. Thank you so much for being with us and until next time. >> Thank you so much and until next time.