Ep 106 - Coping with Death - The Impact of Spiritual Knowledge

hello everyone welcome to the psychology in spirituality bridge to Better Life discussion during our weekly episode we explore this intersection between spirituality and psychology and uh with our discussions we capture many many times those Timeless Pearls of Wisdom that both spirituality and psychology come and give to us my name is Marcia Tano I'm your host today and with me are Dr fona and jar corn go anay you have recently went through the loss of your mother and i' would like to ask permission for us to today to explore this very very difficult uh theme together in 1969 the book by Elizabeth Kubler Ross on death and dying fundamentally shifted how society as a whole but also the entire and we're talking about here Western right the the Western healthare system started to view death grief and even the process of dying she in in her books in her research challenged the medical community to approach the dying with compassion to ackowledge the emotional and psychological aspects of death and to recognize the importance of spiritual career it is also important for us to know that uh on the other side of that equation um the book uh by Elizabeth kuber Ross gave us those of us who are grieving a framework to understand to validate our experience and somehow to teach us that grief is a complex but very much personal experience and not bound by a linear timelines in other words we don't feel grief the same but uh in terms of time but we feel grief similar in the curve of our emotions it's uh good to understand that uh her Legacy today continues since 1969 right but it continues in practice such as Hospice Care pallative medicine and grief counseling and the focus is always on let's treat the whole person mind body and spirit through this inevitable fatal process that we all all of us are going to go through which is the death of a physical body if we flip a little bit we can see that spiritism and uh for those of you who do not know what spiritism is it's this body of work is a belief system

o go through which is the death of a physical body if we flip a little bit we can see that spiritism and uh for those of you who do not know what spiritism is it's this body of work is a belief system it's a philosophy of religion as well that was brought to us by Alan kardak in the 19th century has this very distinctive and consoling aspect when it talks about death dying grief and loss spiritism draws heavily from that Central that core idea that life is a continuous element that goes beyond the Physical Realm the material realm and the Soul or the spirit is really Immortal pause here we don't ever die we live we we don't have a death but the physical body ceases to exist in one Experience One corporeal existence but anyways according to spiritism death is not an end but a transition from this material realm the material world to a spiritual one if I keep going further Joanna d'angeles has also made significant um contributions to the the discussion on spiritual and psychological understanding of death and dying and her work uh explores themes of spiritual growth right and brings that again the notion of reincarnation and the process of death from that spirit is perspective so I propose that we can spend a few minutes together and we talk about maybe some of the thoughts that come to our minds in this topic of death and dying and perhaps we can go beyond that which is let's talk about Joanna what she taught us about death but also the Power of Love jar can I ask you first can you perhaps uh tell those who are here with us today some of the key ideas and why we say that spiritism is the promised consoler which is right here right now what we're talking about the consoling aspect of us understanding death and dying thank you Marcia so hello everyone and I is great to have you here and uh to do this work that I think it's so important for each and every one of us and to talk about difficult subjects because uh according to statistics that there's nothing more difficult thing for us to talk

o this work that I think it's so important for each and every one of us and to talk about difficult subjects because uh according to statistics that there's nothing more difficult thing for us to talk about or where we our fears rest than when we have to to deal and talk about death and um when you were uh you know giving giving us some of the main uh ideas about uh this uh the passing the the dying from the spiritual perspective it's important for us to to highlight to to to emphasize that as a spiritual person uh as a spiritist we will never undermine the the process the pain the the suffering that we are going to go through and I think the way that Dr Elizabeth Kubler Ross she she puts the five stages of griefs she she put it there that that you know that is not necessarily just after the laws but I think even the one that is through the process of stop dying go through that no it cannot be possible that my time has arrived it it's it passed by so fast and and then you you know you feel angry because you don't want to accept that and at the same time then you know I don't know if there is a higher force in the universe but if you're you're there I'm not ready yet give me more time so we start the baining and of course we are not going to be re in it if this is the process really that you have to go through you're not going to be receiving that response that you were expecting and um then comes the depression until it comes to a point that you can see that you you know your whole self is deteriorating for one reason or another and I think it's very good and we even mention in terms of of spiritism um some sometimes s how much more beneficial it is for the one that is actually going through the process of die to go through this process then having a sudden death but uh I I think this is are things that we learn from the spiritual perspective that we will find in in many philosophies not only in spiritism especially all the philosop philosophers that uh bring to us as well this idea of

re things that we learn from the spiritual perspective that we will find in in many philosophies not only in spiritism especially all the philosop philosophers that uh bring to us as well this idea of immortality and reincarnation and and then by knowing that again it's not that the pain is not going to exist but at least we know that is not the end it's not the end for us it's not the end of our relationships it's not the end of love and and participating so I think you know there's so much for us to consider in this absolutely and one of the things that I wanted just to to just a little bit longer uh J you you mentioned of course the five stages of grief right just to everybody five stage number one denial number two anger the number three bargaining number four depression number five acceptance and those five stages go on both ends that person that is undergoing right the change um the last the final steps before moving on passing on but those of us who stay behind right and it's a why why do I say it's important in in my viewpoint here just and is the fact that uh it's also important for those who are around those who are grieving to be aware of that curve right and by being aware I mean tension with the brain right oh maybe let's pretend right maybe it's denial or maybe that anger is okay right I can see that person is so angry but it's okay because it's part of the curve so on so forth but it's also important super important to to be with that person with your heart to understand to accept and even if you don't physically hug that person going through all of that uh upheaval the roller coaster of emotions as we say it but that person feels loved and feels welcomed embraced if you will it's very important what you said meria because uh uh being from on the outside uh we have to have this understanding about the emotions and I think this is where we see a real the bridge between you know um this understanding of spirituality and and psychology that talks about our emotions but I would

understanding about the emotions and I think this is where we see a real the bridge between you know um this understanding of spirituality and and psychology that talks about our emotions but I would love to hear from Anna now and yes and you know what she can share with us and uh the way that all this knowledge and understand um Help At Heart to go through and to cope with the the whole situation and so well thank you for being here with me and everybody that is listening to this podcast because it's out of space and time what we are going we are talking it's an archetype an archetypal fact of life right because we WE born and uh we die and we reborn are reborn again so as is spiritist uh spiritist knowledge uh tells us and it's great that you lots of synchronicities that you talk about on death and dying by Elizabeth CL Ros that I'm not going to say the exact year because then everybody's is going to understand my age but um I was a senior at Western High School in the United States and in Social science class for the first time I had no idea um the teacher gave gave us on death and dying by Elizabeth CL Kubler Ross so and it was great of course as teenagers it opens and I I do think that uh at at least in high school everybody should have basic uh concepts of psychology because uh you know we have to to really start learning about ourselves from an early age but when I was listening to you guys because it's the beautiful work of Elizabeth ker Ross brought to psychiatr and psycholog this knowledge of the process the psychological process of dying right for us to understand as Mara said and just it's okay to have all these feelings and to have you know rage denial and and you know all that she described by examining patients who were uh dying it's not that she was it's it was not a philosophical thing it was not you know questioning she was observing as a psychiatrist as a medical doctor uh her patients in the process of and describ what we are saying uh what she

's it was not a philosophical thing it was not you know questioning she was observing as a psychiatrist as a medical doctor uh her patients in the process of and describ what we are saying uh what she was sorry what she was uh looking at and what was realizing and it's the same scientific method we are not going to talk about this today that Alan kardak used to um bring forth all the spiritist knowledge we know that as medical people that are also a spiritist but what I wanted to tell you um is that when I was listening to you I also uh uh you know I was reminded that um she was describing the ego in this process from what I understand of course she has a con she had a connection about how important and and what I remember that I read herself also is that she was uh connecting to the spirituality from you know the very beginning of bringing together spirituality and medical knowledge but uh we had fraud in 1917 that wrote a a book or an essay I think it was about mourning and Melancholy and Freud already um talked you know a lot about the real ctions of the ego when we are in the process of mourning uh but not so much when we are dying so Elizabeth Kubler Roos you know she open a totally she looked at the the person who was dying and then we would say well but Freud was also he was a neurologist and then he became interested and developed all the psych psycho analysis but he was also he had a good heart he was looking he wanted to you know diminish um people's suffering but he was looking at the psychological part of the thing and um the pathology let's say the ego reactions that not uh not exactly he considers a normal of course it's a normal way of reacting to the fear of death and to the process of d but he was always a worried about I say with what makes us ill and how we can alleviate symptoms that's the pathology that I'm talking about in this sense can we diagnose is this okay or is this normal in this sense and I think Elizabeth Kubler Ross when she was looking at the

alleviate symptoms that's the pathology that I'm talking about in this sense can we diagnose is this okay or is this normal in this sense and I think Elizabeth Kubler Ross when she was looking at the patient she was not worried about that she want she really connected to the human being and to the real actions not trying to classify if this is okay this is a something that we should worry about she was just describing what she was in with her heart and mind and well so saying this uh it helped me a lot in my you know my professional life but it was not enough it was not enough for me and I think it's not enough for uh you know psychiatrist psycholog psychologists a lot of um medical people from for instance colleagues from paliative care you know the specialization in Medic in medicine where we help uh the person to die without feeling so much pain and so much discomfort because the person is in the process of dying it's it's not you it's irreversible you cannot you know bring health and so when the doctors understand that they uh there is this specialization that it's perative care that you help the person to have uh you know the best possible condition without so much suffering in the physical body but can I can I just can I just add a few moments um it's it's important here for us to understand again uh her work uh end of 1960s right and uh I just wanted to to add here for everyone who doesn't know the from a historical perspective but she kuer Ross is often credited with bringing the foundation on Modern hospice and paliative Care movement so before that it's important for us to understand because what you're saying is indeed right you she's working with the ego right it's the P the personality in this life this Incarnation but uh uh why is it important for us to know this is because her work before then um Medical Care the medical community and this is again in the west um if they were dealing with end of life care they primarily focused on what is a disease right right what is

e her work before then um Medical Care the medical community and this is again in the west um if they were dealing with end of life care they primarily focused on what is a disease right right what is disease so that I can cure the disease and the other objective of a doctor medical doctor was to prolong life at all costs right it doesn't matter uh that this person is maybe uncomfortable suffering pain or even not well so if you flip that to I think what you're talking here on hospice and pallative care it's the opposite it's understanding now that those that are undergoing end of life care it's the entire community of caretakers focusing on Comfort focusing on Dignity focusing on support not only the patient but the entire family on understanding that uh that quality of life the remaining life is more important than just keep prolonging life uh forever but there's no quality in there thank you thank you and yeah totally right and it's nice that you uh could clarify that point but what I have seen at least here um well plative care so unit let's say and doctors they are open up to spirituality they call us for instance the psychiatrist that have knowledge about spirituality uh for you know seminars and things like that but to this day I'm sorry to say that some are not still open and this is so precious that the um doctors you know should be open to spirituality and the patients also spirituality because it's basic right uh help so it's um we are connected they call us but we need more of you know understanding and from my point of view is not because I'm a spiritist on but I think we need more spiritism and spiritual knowledge in medicine you know you guys know that I try to bring and to research and to bring to my colleagues and you know to help in the the research about you know the interconnections of medicine and and spirituality because it's so urgent we understand doctors and patients understand and feel free to talk about that so what happened to me that I know that everybody wants to to

ons of medicine and and spirituality because it's so urgent we understand doctors and patients understand and feel free to talk about that so what happened to me that I know that everybody wants to to understand uh and you ask me and I'm very thankful that I can talk here to people if I can be of help my experience with my mother that it's very very recent uh in this recording is that everything that we have been talking uh about the works of Janna jeles that brings the depth psychology using a lot of but not only a lot of um of Yung of um what we call that psycholog or analytical psychology like concepts of uh the self that we some sometimes here in the podcast we call the higher self just to make clear a little clear to people uh but she talks about so the ego being able to talk with the self and I'm going to explain why this is so important in the practice in practice in day byday life and uh about we have talked about expansion of consciousness synchronicities and a lot of stuff that Joanna uses to connect with spiritist knowledge about what Mara and J were talking of you know many lives the continuation of uh our Consciousness not only connected to the physical body that uh it's a knowledge that the spir is um brings to us so what happens that when we start studying you know the the writings beautiful books by J J and Fran um we we want to learn you know you know we are in our minds trying to understand and this is very important because the mind is very important it's going to The Cypher to be curious about thing uh but of course the mind is very connected right to the ego and for many psychiatrist and psychologist kind of the same thing but Joanna uses Yung and other authors to to and even other cultures like Buddhism Hinduism and she talks about in different uh of her books uh that uh we are all connected actually with the self as you she agre agrees with Yung you know that this Consciousness higher Consciousness deep uh in the unconscious not uh our ego the

of her books uh that uh we are all connected actually with the self as you she agre agrees with Yung you know that this Consciousness higher Consciousness deep uh in the unconscious not uh our ego the consciousness of this day-by-day life they you know and the personality the center of the personality conscious personality but that uh this Consciousness in the words of J is our spirit the way that our spirit manifests here and that uh it's a totality of the psych also at the same time because of course our spirit is not up there at somewhere and we are no it is the the basic stuff right that uh you know the the here we are in a soul that it's connected to the physical body but it's the basic um let's say intelligence the basic experience that encompasses everything that the spirit has lived has learned has felt right so uh this is kind of w but that's so so we have two Consciousness yes and you and Jonah says we have more than two because we have our complexes connected to the ego so we are very complex ourselves right but of course this is all the mind then we come and we study a lot of J and we talk a lot and we love all this knowledge we are curious as as spiritual children we should say and it's okay because we should say Jesus tells us come to me all the children right and we wants to be the the ones that come to him right and that are with him and that feel him inside of us he is our model as Joanna says of uh you know the integral human being that we achieve to to get in this life but the thing is that okay then I am with someone that so so you know is it is part of our all of our experience in this life mothers and fathers for instance okay we can talk about a child we have talked about our sons and daughters we have talked in another episode but since I am with this experience um you know from some days ago the that we have our even if our father and mother it's okay because they are old sometimes they have not only different diseases but they have like dementia different types of

know from some days ago the that we have our even if our father and mother it's okay because they are old sometimes they have not only different diseases but they have like dementia different types of dementia and we know that they are going to die even of course we don't want because we want them we want their smell you know we want they their touch we want their closeness we want you know the hug the kisses Brazilians hug and kiss a lot everybody knows that other parts of the world maybe not so the world not so much but anyway the feeling is there and it's there they are with us our whole lives they are the way that we come to this life and then they are dying but we know that they are dying because they are very old my mother was 94 years old and she had a kind of Mena so we from many the the last years and we knew that um you know that she was going of course to pass away at some point and she had spiritist knowledge when we had and I have a Buddhist people also in my family most of them are spirits but we have Budd Buddhist and other um you know other philosophical approach but and so we think you are prepared but then something happens that uh you you know the person is suffering okay nobody wants the person that we love to suffer and we don't want to watch them and we we think that oh we have a pallative care doctor but some things that we are not we don't have to talk about that now but what happened is that at the very end things didn't work as they should in terms of positive care and of you know not suffering and all that and for some reason in her last hours I was the person that was with her and she was suffering and she was looking straight at me and I knew eye to eye the eyes are the windows of the Soul if we connect to the to the eyes you can see the person's soul feelings what the person is trying to tell you and cannot tell you and I knew that I knew it was an intuition because of course our higher self our spirit knows things that the ego doesn't know you are carrying the

the person is trying to tell you and cannot tell you and I knew that I knew it was an intuition because of course our higher self our spirit knows things that the ego doesn't know you are carrying the ego you are carrying your complexes with you in this moments as it's so important what Marsha and Jada U were talking about uh an understanding and on Psychiatry I have read Elizabeth Kubler Ross I have uh read everything and study everything I have been in Seminars the pallative Care Unit but it was my mother so at that moment you were not all the titles everything that you have studied um I couldn't remember remember anything of this stuff actually I'm I I think I'm here with friends and my my big family that it's our spiritual family that are people that are listening to this podcast doesn't matter when they are going to be listening we are a spiritual family here uh so what happens that I forgot all of that and the first thing that I thought when I was arriving at her bedroom the first my first thought was for Jesus and I asked him Christ give me strength so I didn't expand but um talking to you now I know that my higher self was in command in that moment asking for the ego to step down I don't want to talk to think think about the stages of dying I don't want to because I and I didn't think anyways you know but I don't want any of my psychiatric practice or whatever I wanted Jesus to give me strength to do the will of my mother's higher self because we have to respect the person who is dying the ego is suffering but the self is always there from birth to the end and Beyond because Jan tells is our spirit so if she needed that time she needed that suffering she needed that if I was the person because of synchronicities that was chosen to be there I must feel grateful even if my medical practice was a little angry with the paliative care um colleagues and whatever and maybe with other people we have families and people get stressed and you know it's all everybody knows how it is this time we

was a little angry with the paliative care um colleagues and whatever and maybe with other people we have families and people get stressed and you know it's all everybody knows how it is this time we can get resentful or angry and it's okay as Mar and just were saying because it's nor it's it's okay it's normal it's human we are human beings going through a very different exp a different a difficult experience so what happens that first my first thought because of everything that we have talked about because all the readings of Joanna all the we readings about spiritism and it was very spontaneous I never thought about that I just thought about Jesus and ask him to be with me and give me strength and when I was there and I understood that she was suffering and I'll tell you if somebody feels upset that uh just you know can close a little bit our podcast and come back when but I think some things I I don't have to tell you so that you can understand how I felt she was crying because she was in pain and um and I had uh I'm kind of the second youngest child she had seven I have U six uh Brothers and sisters I'm the you know and so I'm the second youngest so I had to you know clean her tears and hold her hand and then I use the title of the episode how much light that it's a beautiful beautiful meditation prayer everything together uh that when we call the light from above and we call the Light of Christ to help us and we at the same time expand our Consciousness uh our spirit we ask that our spirit can uh be in front of Jesus our Christ and that we can connect to him so his presence is really strong at that moment you can feel the light you can I'm not a medion that I can see things I'm only once in a while and I have a lot of intuition but at that moment when the ego as Yung said when the ego diminish and kind kind of calms down then the self can manifest and Joanna says that and then you have a strength that is archetypal it's very mention in our souls and it's the this archetypal

the ego diminish and kind kind of calms down then the self can manifest and Joanna says that and then you have a strength that is archetypal it's very mention in our souls and it's the this archetypal strength you know and it um connects you with the source the Creator and with the the spiritist uh colleagues that are were there the the in spirit also or from other dimensions the you know from other whatever because uh even um the spirit is not knowledge freezes freeze our freezes our minds and bodies right so we can it's Universal so it doesn't matter even the religion that the person had or whatever so what I want to tell you is that uh I think Joanna asked me and I'm very grateful that I can be here among friends and my spiritual family that you are all to give a testimony I think and I would love this remember the book but it's the a testimony of light the it's not the light that comes from me because we are have we are light beings right and the light is inside all of us because we are sons and daughters and we are brothers and SS that come from the same source of light our creator same source of light and love so if our self manifest if we can understand the suffering and we can calm our EOS I know that it's very difficult because I have been in this position but Joanna helped me so much so much because I could feel that she and other mentors and guides and you know that I could not name because it it didn't even matter because I know oh we can feel that they are because I could hold my the hands of my mother who wouldn't let go for four to five hours singing almost without singing with the I I've put we have this meditation in my mobile and I sang together if I stopped she would you know she would open her eyes and I would know that I had to go on singing for her because I knew I was bringing and helping her to expand her Consciousness and I knew she at that moment she was uh afraid I could I could see in her eyes so I knew that I was trying to help her to to talk in a sense

I was bringing and helping her to expand her Consciousness and I knew she at that moment she was uh afraid I could I could see in her eyes so I knew that I was trying to help her to to talk in a sense with her higher self with herself and to diminish the the the fear the security of the ego because if our body is feeling pain people the ego is connected to it it's the way that it's from birth uh connects to the body and to you know to our senses right and to the world outside and so after the first uh you know I was thinking that she had a medicine for the pain but since the pain wouldn't lessen and wouldn't you know and since she was looking at me only she she would close her eyes only when uh she there was all this intensity of how much light and um prayers um so the caras I don't know if there's a translation to English the prayer and the Beautiful Beautiful song uh our mother BYO that we call in portuges a Maria so all this resources to connect us to the source to keep our much as the suffer would last to keep us connected to the Christ because he said he would be with us until what we call the end but we know that never ends but the end May of this experience so I wanted to tell you that it was so important because I knew I could help her I felt in my heart that and I was very very grateful Jonah has a um a book about gratitude that we have talked about so many times about love a whole book about love a whole book about gratitude power of gratitude that it's Love In Action and when I was I was feeling tired at some point I would ask again I would tell to myself that it's it was the higher self I'm very grateful to be the one to be here with her very very grateful and I'm very grateful for all this love that it's here and so I was very worried maybe J could talk to us a little bit uh that in the beginning that I I would do this the right thing and don't you know don't be in the middle of the spirits that were there disconnecting mother or you know helping the you know so just if you

at in the beginning that I I would do this the right thing and don't you know don't be in the middle of the spirits that were there disconnecting mother or you know helping the you know so just if you could tell a little bit of in the from the spiritist uh um knowledge in the very end so that people can get comfortable I can tell you that I maybe they told me I can you know my ego was not there paying so much attention but I knew in my heart that I was doing the same thing sorry the the right thing and that I was praying helping mother connecting through the eye and our hearts and that I was um bringing how much light trying to calm things down and I I was assured I think that I was not messing up with the spirits that were they trying to disconnect but if J could tell a little bit about that to people I think it would be useful yeah can I say something before you you you go on before you go on if you don't mind because not many people know this song how much light it's a very small song right anay but uh it is it is Brazilian um beautifully written it's a very Soulful but it is all about love love light and hope so just wanted everybody to to know that because when you're seeing that your mom you're bringing those elements of emotion to ensure that she felt that in in the transition from one dimension to the next go ahead J um yeah when we were talking and I was thinking about about that you know uh your um sensation of you know the presence of the spirits there and according to what the spirits tell us you know uh in the spiritist literature um there is as much happiness at the moment when we are born as when uh it's the moment of our passing when we are born the doctors have to cut the umbilical cord so that you can be released and leave you a a new life in new body and uh all the family everyone the mother father are there to greet this child that came into the world and the world of the incarnates the one that have this physical body but they say that the same way when we are going

everyone the mother father are there to greet this child that came into the world and the world of the incarnates the one that have this physical body but they say that the same way when we are going through the process of let's say born being born to the Spirit life is about the same there is all this connection this umbilical cord as well that we we know in in many of the spirit spiritualist philosophies we call that the silver cord which is the last one bical chord of the spirit so to say that the spirits will will release as well and so when we are before death and when we are you know when we have the blessings I I would say it is a blessing to be able to go through that you know and have your loved ones next to you the best thing we can do is that to understand that there is a moment that we have to let them be released and the song is very much about that is very much you know when we put our it's like very uh you were talking about Buddhist is like reciting a mantra right because you start saying how much light that is surrounding me that is surrounding this place that is surround everyone and and when we we you think about that and when your emotions follow the words that you are uh pronouncing that you are or you are singing you know it comes with all the energy the the release of energy that we have that definitely is going to help in the process of the release of the spirit from the body and the transition becomes so much easier and less painful even at the point of releasing a some of the pain that like you're saying at the last moment of last hours the medication were no longer you know uh affecting all the pain that she was feeling but the the the being able to disconnect already and being more in tune with the spiritual reality that was surrounding her in this case makes the process so much easier so in this sense for everyone that is going through that like we said before we are not going to take for granted the the possibility is of us being present and doing our part

e process so much easier so in this sense for everyone that is going through that like we said before we are not going to take for granted the the possibility is of us being present and doing our part especially here when we are talking about our parents to whom we own so much we own our lives but also to understand it is okay for us to cry it is okay for us to suffer it is okay to go through the five stages but it's very important for us to always remember we are Immortal spirits and the love that unites us will never ever be gone on the contrary is just going to grow yeah beautiful I wanted to to also maybe bring to us as we are closing and thank you J thank for sharing what you went through so recently but uh Paul in his letter to the Corinthians um he says this is considered the love chapter of the Bible right and many people use his words and say wedding to celebrate love but this is as you mentioned um just it is about the love that remains it it it is not destroyed so I would like to read it and ask uh naive for you to close our conversation today so Paul says love is patient love is kind it does not envy it does not boast it is not proud it's it does not dishonor others it is not self seeking it is not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs love does not Delight in evil but rejoices with the truth it always protects always trusts always hopes always persevere and I do you want to maybe close our episode today and uh uh for us thank you thank you Mara and it's so important because the day of my mother passing was the day here in Brazil that we celebrate Paul of Tarsus so it it was a a great synchronicity because I thought of this uh of his saying about love and when we wore with her in the last you know saying our goodbyes the whole family so I talked about that because it was a beautiful synchronicity and we know that synchronicity is the spirit manifesting itself and is the spirit connecting you know the spirit with capital S uhuh uh connecting all of us all our our Spirits

beautiful synchronicity and we know that synchronicity is the spirit manifesting itself and is the spirit connecting you know the spirit with capital S uhuh uh connecting all of us all our our Spirits let's say and I just wanted to tell you two quick things that to understand and just to complement what J has said uh that we uh know from the spiritist um knowledge uh and what Joanna brings that I of course I didn't thought about that in that moment I told you my experience so everything that it was from the heart and from intuition and we know the intuition comes from the self from our our spirit I just asked uh Joanna's help and Jesus help and other um you know mentors and that were there uh to help me control diminish my ego so that uh you know the knowledge that it's from the self could um and myself my spirit could connect to them and so the will and my mothers also self could connect them and the will of the higher force uh should you know happen and that it's connect to us and we know that we we know that we are born and we know that we are going to die and our ego doesn't know when or how but our self knows yes so what I wanted to say is that Joanna then explained to me when I got home after all the things uh I just open because I like to randomly open one of Jonah's book and it was there in the her book about love she tells everything that I lived but it's nice that I didn't read before and I have I had already read that but it was not my mind remember it was my heart remembering her teachings so because she said that it's a psychic radiation and it's a when we are there with the person that we love that we want to help right and this she talks about the force of love as being a powerful force that it's um constitut it's constin to she says of the elements of the cosmos so we are part of the cosmos our spirit is part of the cosmos our body that it's of course going to Earth again it's an elements the elements that we use in the material life the spirit uses but it's all part of the big you

osmos our spirit is part of the cosmos our body that it's of course going to Earth again it's an elements the elements that we use in the material life the spirit uses but it's all part of the big you know of the source of of this love this power of love that we radiate with our psych and as Mara said and said with all our emotion all the strength that we have in our psych uh you know like Channel towards the person that we want to help but as just said and I'm since I have so much it was in my my spirit already this knowledge that I should do bringing forth the helping to bring the light to calm my mom's ego with the about the fear to trust to help you know diminish her ego so that her spirit and my spirit could connect and could uh uh you know all the pain is gone all the suffering is gone and just connect to this beautiful light that comes from the Christ to all of us with through different uh you know like teachers mentors uh you know and different brothers and sisters from spirituality and since Mara talked about and I told you guys that I have some Buddhist people and Joanna in my family and Joanna talks about that also uh there is a beautiful book that is called living Buddha living Christ that's a a Buddhist monk that wrote that uh he is already deceased but is teach not home I hope I have um taught in English the his right name yeah yeah that's it thank you J and H in one of the chapter chapters of this book it talks about re Real Love Never Ends so I'm I'm we finish my my contribution because he talks about po of Tarsus and the Beautiful teaches um when he teaches in Corinthians right and he says that Jesus gave his disciples the Commandment to love God with all their being and to love their neighbors as themselves and he says that all the teachings of Jesus was about love and understand understanding and um so that we can finish he says um um he quotes as Mara said um pole of tarses love is patient love is kind love is not an all that that we have talked about and then he

understand understanding and um so that we can finish he says um um he quotes as Mara said um pole of tarses love is patient love is kind love is not an all that that we have talked about and then he says love bears all things as Paul said believes all things endures all things that was the light that I was asking Jesus and Joanna to help me love has no limit he says Love Never Ends love is reborn and reborn and Reborn the love and care of the Christ is reborn in each one of us isn't that beautiful oh it is so uh let's remember in the moment of death of our death of our loved ones that love is reborn it never ends and the wonderful light beings have been here so many times to remind us that so that suffering can lessen so that we can understand that suffering is not a curse suffering can be a blessing and in my mom's passing it was a blessing that it was the the way to connect not only uh both of us but to connect us with the Christ and to give the example of everything that we have been talking about thank you so much oh thank you thank you thank you anay thank you Jada thank you who's here with us watching U this episode I want to just say if this is the first time that you listen to a program we this program is a weekly talk and they're all based on the works by Jonah deangeles and we hope that you are able to take some piece of uh of consolation of warmth and understanding and also to expand your own spirituality Concepts we want to take a just a second to thank our sponsors uh man cinu the United States spiritless Federation the international spir Council and Amy Brazil the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist association thank you so much for being with us today and we hope to see you next week bye-bye everyone byebye lots of love