Ep 92 - The Intricacies of Self Discovery

hello everyone welcome to psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion my name is Marcia Tano I'm your host and with me are my dear friends Dr naif F and Jus corn gold she is the co-sponsor the host as well and the founder of this entire program so thank you both for being here don't know if you want to say hello to the audience hello hello everyone it's a pleasure to be here again absolutely J great hello everyone that is awesome that is awesome to be here amongst friends you and I are here very happy but uh the psychology in spirituality weekly talks are based on the works as I mentioned before by Joanna d'angeles and we're here to offer this space for us to talk talk and when we talk about we can um even correlate compare but most importantly expand our own spirituality Concepts from this psychological lens so that we can bring insights to ourselves to become to feel better to to to get to a better life self-discovery is the main topic of today's episode but according to Jonah d'angeles and uh you can find that in the reference book that I would like to share with you unfortunately not yet uh translated into English but it's just a phenomenal work reflecting the soul um with uh the chapter on self-discovery written by jelson herberto who is the the person behind this entire work that we're doing here he is the one who elaborated the the the the program the topics Etc so thank you gelon for being with us through your book through your chapter of your book but anyways um our conversation to you today is really more of an invitation so that all of us can when we're ready embark on our journey of self-discovery self-awareness and growth but anyways an Jada you may find myself going completely crazy here but uh it's you know it is the the the one of those days that I'm feeling ready to to watch something on TV and I turned on just very randomly to a documentary in in in uh actuality it was published I believe in 2020 about Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift

days that I'm feeling ready to to watch something on TV and I turned on just very randomly to a documentary in in in uh actuality it was published I believe in 2020 about Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift for those who do not know her she's an American singer songwriter and she's known for her her songs her lyrics and of course a very young woman who became quite famous so anyways in the documentary it's called Miss Americana she it's just really beautiful because she completely opens up about her values and um her values come and what we're going to talk about what led to those values but but what is an ex a result of those values are really um the pressures of being famous to to being accepted being welcomed she's it's almost like an addictive she didn't use those words but this addiction to the Applause she really made herself feel fulfilled every time she got an award she received the Applause Etc and all of it thank goodness went downhill with uh several crisis of public opinion etc etc but she she talks about and as she talked about I thought wow this is great because Joanna d'angeles questions around self-discovery and specifically from her book uh the integral human being aligns quite well right so if I may before I pass on to to the two of you to talk about it um but in that book she she mentions to us that on one hand um we carry you know this personal and Collective unconscious right so this is uh uh our personal more material but uh uh uh Collective and and correct me if I'm wrong here I when I explained but we carry the UNC conscience and they make up the complete archives of all of our experience what are we talking about well um our race our cultural traditions and all the elements that make up who we are they are really the sum of all of our experien and because of it they really largely influence our Behavior so this is on one hand on the other hand we are the the the fruit the result of our bringing our education our habits both psychological as well as physiological you know

argely influence our Behavior so this is on one hand on the other hand we are the the the fruit the result of our bringing our education our habits both psychological as well as physiological you know phenomenon that are always influencing us to behave this way so we have two directions or guides for us but Joanna d'angeles brings us the third one which is a required one that is done only through self-discovery and our inner transformation right so if we think about it uh and I'm I'm trying to to conclude my thought process here but if we think about it it is easy to see the correlation between aspirations right think Taylor Swift aspiration to be to to to receive a Grammy award right and I believe she had so many she doesn't have enough room for them anymore but between our aspirations our Tendencies our fears our conflicts our accomplishments all of those that we bring and we're able to to do but how they correlate with the values that we herit we inherit so if we speak the language of Joanna we can say that our unconscious continuously dictate what to do what to accomplish it also leads us toward this direction or that direction and the big Paradox here is that while we are led to a certain type of behavior value goals Etc our lives and this is the big Paradox everyone uh our lives contain mechanism to push to that third direction right which is maybe different from the other two so we are compelled to a place of development of growth of progress I I believe we could use the uh conscious expansion right the Evol evolving spirit that we have through that inner transformation objectives so the problem here as I said it is really a paradox because we we have all this and I put in my hands behind me because we have all this baggage that pushes us to behave a certain way but inside we have a third way that keeps us pushing us yet a different direction and that leads us to this crisis or this confusion and this search for clarity but we don't know how Joanna d'angeles in the book The

ave a third way that keeps us pushing us yet a different direction and that leads us to this crisis or this confusion and this search for clarity but we don't know how Joanna d'angeles in the book The integral human being talks about the psychological problems awaiting a solution and when we say that we say psyche the soul right so it's the spiritual problems that we have that are pushing us to look for a solution so I'm pushing back to the two of you to talk a little bit about what is she talking about and how does it fit with the topic of selfis discovery it's a very great beginning right talk about Taylor Swift and all you know this complex um question of who are we actually I think that's the basic question that we are trying to discover um or talk today because yna is talking about uh self-discovery right correct so why do we have to discover ourselves I think that's the main thing and you brought Mara um I think a very um It's a Wonderful example because youna also says that um it is the greatest challenge for the Contemporary uh individual the self-discovery right and she says that the goal of self-discovery is to be aware of ourselves so who are we actually why do we have to be aware of ourselves and you T you you I think it's brilliant that you brought uh Taylor S because everybody knows her she's a great singer and songwriter uh very creative but from where this all this creativeness comes within each one of us our talents and I know that just had have talk about that we want to listen to what she want she uh she has to say but I just wanted to I just want to say I immediately thought of you and uh the talent of The Parables immediately as an you was talking so we are in tune and we want to hear from you but go ahead anay yeah because uh then I just bring a little bit of the psychological stuff then uh we want to hear J talking about the spiritual also aspect that because it's everything interconnected so in this chapter that you talked about um jelson talks about

of the psychological stuff then uh we want to hear J talking about the spiritual also aspect that because it's everything interconnected so in this chapter that you talked about um jelson talks about the mind as being uh the manifestation of the spirit right and uh he says it comprises thought feeling and will okay so um and he talks about thought feeling and will as forces of the spirit and of course we know that the spirit spiritual Dimension you were talking about the unconscious and we know there's the personal unconscious where our complexes our NE neurotic conflicts let's say uh they try to they press our egos our uh our personal Consciousness about who we are here in this personality right but we are talking also and Jonah uses uh Yung so H when we talked about um the the collective unconscious the transpersonal dimension of the psych so where from where let's say our higher Consciousness talks let's say tries to talk to our egos uh to our smaller Consciousness so we maybe we are talking we could say of our human consciousness as here as we understand ourselves right our personality and the ego refers to our personality and our soul Consciousness let's say our higher self Yung self Capal s right Jonah says is our spirit within this uh this psych that we are now here now the spirit is reincarnated so we are a psych here right our soul is expressing itself so we we could also talk about um that it I think it's more uh it's easier uh uh we could talk about uh human consciousness and so Consciousness let's say our higher self so the thing is Mara and J and everybody else I think that Janna talks about um so the the our greatest challenge in modern uh days our days and about materialism right the way that we think ourselves as matter so when we do like that when we consider ourselves just m matter that when you die everything ends of course young people and also not so young right A lot of people that connect only with the ego Consciousness and our complexes like our

der ourselves just m matter that when you die everything ends of course young people and also not so young right A lot of people that connect only with the ego Consciousness and our complexes like our inner child our mother father complex and stuff like that we'll keep on having uh let's say conflicts during the lifetime of fulfilling some other you know some other uh expectation PE other people's expectations about ourselves as you said that Taylor sft said in talking about her own life uh so of course then I'm trapped in in this world view where I am only matter I live only this life so everything I do uh is you know I'm totally um pressed that I have to be nice people have to like me and I have to fulfill what everyone thinks of uh you know thinks about myself and expect from from me and I totally get uh trapped in the ego right and thinking that uh it's only that so this is a trap people and I think um to view uh jelson also says in in this chapter about viewing this life in a literal and concrete way without symbolic life because the symbolic life is what connects the ego to the to the soul Consciousness to our higher selves and this makes it literally as you said we have all depressions anxieties burn out this is the way to sickness let's say to illnesses and diseases you know from the body from the Mind from our souls because we get trapped in this reality that we have an end because everything material has an end right so I have to to have the most of life that I can get because it's going to end and I'm totally out of communication let's say not totally because our our soul Consciousness is always there irradiating from the the collective unconscious the transpersonal dimension of our PES but the thing is that the ego is not open and doesn't get mature enough that's the the risk for young people that are not educated for the spiritual life let's say and I I do want to listen you about that because the thing is that uh so when I disconnect from our spiritual reality I disconnect

r young people that are not educated for the spiritual life let's say and I I do want to listen you about that because the thing is that uh so when I disconnect from our spiritual reality I disconnect from myself from my inner the depths of my psych my inner uh World from where all my creative potentials arise right so I I we know that a lot of artists for instance when they live like this uh it's always um trying to please the outside world but at some point they get as you said Mar they get disconnect even to create is difficult for them because creativity comes from the soul doesn't come from the ego people so uh that's why it's so important and I think jna say it's our biggest challenge but I do want to hear what just has to say about that so let's talk about the talent of The Parables just had or do you have any thought process yeah I I really wanted to to to continue from where I mention you know because when I Was preparing for today for our our conversation here I was very intrigued with this um you know this this this this phrase by Joanna deangeles where she says that the the the greatest challenge for the Contemporary individual is self-discovery and I was thinking why you know is it is today and why it has to be today and of course you know reasoning thinking about it I came to the conclusion that uh from our perspective since we are Immortal Spirits Immortal beings we we we come uh over and over through the reincarnations of course and understand that the spirit goes through a process of mature maturity of course you know she's mentioning that up to this point we didn't even have enough maturity to think about ourselves as being an immortal spirit so when we talk about like you say the young people and and and and others as well that do not have any kind of spiritual understanding about themselves um self-discovery of what exactly of my emotions of you know how certain events in my past um influence me today or caus me some some trauma or made me grow um

spiritual understanding about themselves um self-discovery of what exactly of my emotions of you know how certain events in my past um influence me today or caus me some some trauma or made me grow um so I think that sometimes when we we we we go and think about self-discovering it's also what is the purpose I don't even know how how much longer I'm going to be on deserve and and this is when she says and and all the knowledge and everything she brings to us is is this un quietness of the spirit that we have that even without realizing that much why we are going after that um there is this urge yes uh there is this urge that uh somehow is like an an avoidable path like I a road that I have to go through where I I'm I somehow have to be in touch with myself and um it's interesting that here he mentions also nich in that that famous statement that you were searching for the worst and you found yourself I don't know about that not necessarily right but uh in a way I'm looking for things and I start seeing that um I am the greatest treasure like you know like I have a treasure map and I start looking for you know a a wealth that I think is something else but it is myself like uh you was saying you know when we we we start realizing our processes our emotions the the way we Behavior behave H how certain things tring triggers us and you know putting this all together with the talents like we were talking about the parable of the talents referring uh how uh you know in that Parable Jesus talks about a Lord that gives to his three servant a different quantity of talents that in that way in that time represented a quantity of money but then we know that Jesus was not necessarily talking about money but talking about resources right and then resources and how each one of them reacted one both of them uh were actually capable of doubling the resources and the other one just said I'm not going to do anything with that and I think this is where we are now when we have this so much

ed one both of them uh were actually capable of doubling the resources and the other one just said I'm not going to do anything with that and I think this is where we are now when we have this so much knowledge in terms of um what we are what we are destined to and it's like we want volunte arily blind our eyes or shut our eyes because um it implies responsibility I fear that if I open the Pandora box what is going to come out of it right and how can I control of that and put all back together again so but just the thing yeah if I may just I don't want to you to stop talking but just the thought that came to my mind is the image that comes to my mind why is it so hard to to to get into the road of self-discovery and to me this what we bring is our like a computer it's the default setting right it's what's comfortable it's what we know inherently or not this is what we know right the values that are valued material or not but they're valued that's what I know and I think that Pandora box as as you as you you mentioned when you open it it's exactly the unknown what has not been perhaps uh given to me a map is not given to me the trajectory is not given to me yet and you are alluded to that we all have come to at some point in our lives of just discomfort right the sense that I'm not fulfilling so going back to the the parable the P the talents that you're talking I wonder if the person who buried the talent was afraid of losing and the fear is more of I don't know what to do with it I I I right but go ahead that's just the thought that came to my mind Point Parable actually is also talking about fear right and what fear can do to us but you know thinking and make a connection with everything and with everyone that already went through any kind of therapeutic work right they they will will know about that when we start if I'm I'm going figuratively speaking you know be looking for a treasure like we're saying yeah look for a treasure right I go to into this road with this

they will will know about that when we start if I'm I'm going figuratively speaking you know be looking for a treasure like we're saying yeah look for a treasure right I go to into this road with this map and looking for a treasure what happens when I get into the world the this place that supposedly I'm going to find the treasure well in each and every of those stories first you have to start digg the dirt yeah and I mean digging the dirt and dirt and dirt and dirt until you find enough stamina to continue and finally find the chest which is still not the treasure right now you you finally found something hard there you find the chest but then you still have to open the lock right there there's so many phases there so many stages that we could make a a relation with what we are talking about here so why this self-discovery process is so hard it's because you know before we reach the treasure we're gonna have to deal with some dirt yes and this is not easy and I just for me to complete I was remembering we mentioned that already I was blessed enough to go and visit the house of Yung Yung and there was there you know those uh stained glasses three stained glasses that represented to the Martyr of Jesus you know the first one when he going into the the the gath mountain and until he did the second one he's crucified and the second one where he's is going to be um removed and then the resurrection and I asked the woman why he had that in his room right and the that she said that he lik it to do he liked that because he saw the therapeutic process as being one of you know of you having to go through this extreme sacrifice for you know to be born or reborn again so I I was thinking that you know when we are talking about self-discovery that's that's what happened and we feel afraid and and and maybe we sto the pro process on purpose because we don't want to deal with that and it's easier to pretend that everything's okay that I'm happy enough accommodated enough and it's a

fraid and and and maybe we sto the pro process on purpose because we don't want to deal with that and it's easier to pretend that everything's okay that I'm happy enough accommodated enough and it's a defense mechanism right I'm I'm not ready and I think Joanna says that even right I think she says and correct me if I'm wrong but I think she says the process can be easy if you just start where you are yeah right just just look at yourself and and become a where so this is a pause and to me in a world that we're so distracted by so many different stimuli and even data points right so we we want to say no no no I'm I'm cool I'm just joking here I'm cool with this process I'm going to dig but I use a process a therapeutical process that is actually a process of gathering data external to me not inside out but outside in so it's super superficial and can and can actually be fraught with biases right a bias toward my true self says I am I don't know uh super selfish well no because I don't want to be selfish so I'm going to start to to to to put that in my shadow or the dirt that you referencing to so there it's it's complicated it it requires courage and we can just say I'm not ready let's just be start being aware of my my moment and when I'm ready then I'm going to go de dig the treasure get find my map and and I love your imagery by the way just you know it's very much like a child saying I'm I I don't want to grow up yeah so it's it's better we own it right so enjoy while you're are a child but you are going to grow up and whether we like it or not uh whether it's going to be painful very hard on us we will have to go through this process beautiful an do you have anything to to add like talk no I think it's um very important I was thinking about uh inner healing because Janna brings a lot of uh techniques for healing but but um we wouldn't have to heal something that it's not sick right that it's not in disharmony and um and I agree with um I don't agree very much with nich's

ngs a lot of uh techniques for healing but but um we wouldn't have to heal something that it's not sick right that it's not in disharmony and um and I agree with um I don't agree very much with nich's words about oh how bad is to find myself of course we have a lot of Shadow work to do still can you define can you define Shadow work for yeah because what uh for unions for us we say that um when we we turn our attention from the outside world to the inner world right we are um so the ego trying to look at the psych right because the ego is that that complex you says is a complex that it's a part of the self of the s and it's our um our personal Consciousness let's say from in the psych here so when the in the center of Consciousness so when the ego just turns the attention from the outside world to the inner world the first um let's say character that it's going to um that the ego is going to find is the shadow so our shadow aspects everything that the the ego itself doesn't wants to acknowledge that has repressed or denied right so for instance going back to the beginning of our talk when you talked about Taylor Swift so why is that so difficult especially for young people that uh still have a you know to do a lot of ego work in the sense of um maturing the ego you know and working with the inner conflicts you guys were talking about fears insecurities um things like that right so when we turn our uh our attention to ourselves uh to our inner world we are going to find uh everything that ego it doesn't want to pay attention to that's why it's so hard digging the dirt I love this expression right it's kind of but what is the dirt we are all human beings why are we so afraid of ourselves of course we we have negative aspects let's say who does um never gets jealous or or doesn't never has uh you know the envious of someone or an angry at someone you know uh of of course this is not cool but uh it's human we all have these kind of emotions uh the problem is not having

doesn't never has uh you know the envious of someone or an angry at someone you know uh of of course this is not cool but uh it's human we all have these kind of emotions uh the problem is not having these emotions the problem is not again as jna said not being aware of them right and J says that I think this is very important bringing back uh spiritist knowledge that thought our thoughts that are create are the origin of our actions our behaviors in the world uh they are Guided by our will and intensity of our feelings so we have to have a strong will to face ourselves but if I think that I'm so bad that I only you know that wow a lot of dirt I get well I'm not going I'm get lazy I'm not going to pay attention to all of that I I will feel down and everything but I think it's the great great images that just had I brought because let's clean the house people it's not that tough you know it's it's great let's put some music or let's meditate let's connect to the source of uh creativity that we have with diners and let's do the work the cleaning of our inner houses so that we can dig so all this dirt goes away it's not that hard I mean you know I have been doing this myself and have helping other people to do for decades now all right and it's so cool when we see I will give an example clinical example but it's so cool when we see it happening you know you're finding the treasure opening we have to trust to believe we don't want to remember how Niche anded Bri just so I prefer to connect um to knowing that there is all this treasure that is available and and it's a power of my spirit that can manifest in this life we don't have to wait for you know other lives now as we were talking about Janna is asking us to pay attention if we just do a little work it's not that awful I mean you know and um and this week for instance I I kind of felt you know I I give you a secret here that we can share with our listeners uh therap therapists or analysts of course we we know you we get

an you know and um and this week for instance I I kind of felt you know I I give you a secret here that we can share with our listeners uh therap therapists or analysts of course we we know you we get a little anxious it's not that we connect in a sense that I will uh I have to separate of course what it's material from Psychic material from my patients clients and what it's my U my own material inner uh issues but of course we say oh I hope this is going to work you know because you are listening you are trying not to say anything only to help you know see some stuff in the unconscious that the person itself is paying attention but what I wanted to tell you is the that um it happened this week so it it's a synchronicity a almost 89 years old um man you know a grandfather who has been suffering for very different illnesses okay has had a stroke uh you know almost half of the brain is gone a bad lungs uh only one kidney okay so uh it's what we call paliative care the end of life care okay but uh he wanted to stay alive to dance with his granddaughter in her 15th uh birthday dance the Walts you know in her 15 uh birthday and uh you know and I'm sorry but I just have to give you some aspects here in Brazil we are suffering a lot with the burns you know that's are that that are going on if the fires that are going on all over Brazil um I don't know if you know the Press is talking about that but it's awful and it's a lot okay it's happening like almost two-thirds of Brazilian land you know and the one that it's um the land that is not with fire is with the air is totally you know with lot of stuff so it and it came here to the very south of Brazil even if here there's not any fire we had lots of water this year but not fire can I can I just uh can I just share for those people who do not know Brazil and I'm I'm putting my hand up right so Brazil is like this shape of of my hand and with here not here here being Amazon and all the way down close to Uruguay in Argentina is where anayi

t know Brazil and I'm I'm putting my hand up right so Brazil is like this shape of of my hand and with here not here here being Amazon and all the way down close to Uruguay in Argentina is where anayi lives and pretty much no this has been burned right yeah in in fires uh so we can call it arson we can be call wildf Fires it doesn't matter but there's a lot uh a uh a third of Brazilian land is on fire so the rest of the country is now uh dealing with uh the smoke and air pollution and the quality of air so it it is um very difficult to hear that for for us that don't live in Brazil much harder for you to go through that again another catastrophic climatic type of uh Nature's response to our foolishness as human beings right yes exactly and um that is going on year by year doesn't matter who is running the the show but for us what it's important is that um in this example so in the very south of Brazil the air um you know the the smoke arrived so for many days and weeks actually um you know the sky and the land is all the same color it's not very nice we have to be very strong you know and the the old people suffer a lot especially because the lungs are not uh yeah so this grandfather uh who already had a bad lung of course he got pneumonia okay and was hospitalized in this week and actually the the 15th birthday the party big party was yesterday night so he was in hospital but the will uh to to dance the Walts uh you know with her grand daughter yeah his granddaughter intensity of feeling drove his thoughts let's use the Expressions that were used in this chapter so it gave him a power that even the medical person personal couldn't understand how well in like he was almost going to intensive care so for you to understand you know his uh his the way that he um was in a the bad shape that he was but like in in and the the daughter that I know the daughter was really really you know uh the mother of the the the teenager was really upset because she was sure that her father had stayed

at he was but like in in and the the daughter that I know the daughter was really really you know uh the mother of the the the teenager was really upset because she was sure that her father had stayed alive for the past life for the past three years because he wanted to be in his granddaughter and and dance the Ws so um and of course she knows all about you andana and everything so she said I I her mother in is in this spiritual world and she prayed a lot for the mother or the grand mother if they could help and of course for you know mentors and Jesus and and the holy mother and so and what we okay and there was a synchronicity so that you can connect the symbolic life and understand why Joanna is calling us to this self-discover and just had a talk to talk uh to us about the our treasure the jewels that we have inside of us and Mara was talking about Taylor Swift because what happened when she was praying in the hospital uh in the emergency room uh and she she said she was thinking of her mother who has been in the spiritual world uh uh world uh dimensions for some years now and then a patient arrived near her where um the you know the the box where uh her father was and uh had the same name of her mother and the nurses were calling the patient the the lady all the time so she listen when she was praying she was listening the nurse is calling like the name of her mother right her mother she said an i this must have been a synchronicity I said of course it was synchronist so this is Faith and it's in real life it's like J was saying today is now it's not in the future not in the past and what happened I'm very happy to tell you that the grandfather went out out of the hospital and danced the walls aome yeah it was awesome so I think we we need to understand that we all have this treasure and the capacity of selfhealing yes because we are spirits we have the the power of the spirit and our spirits come from where right we are all brothers and sisters we come from

all have this treasure and the capacity of selfhealing yes because we are spirits we have the the power of the spirit and our spirits come from where right we are all brothers and sisters we come from the same source that we call God so this power of the spirit is within us and I think just I don't know if you agree that it's our um the utmost let's say the our biggest and greatest and more cherished uh and cherished uh treasure the power that we have the capacity to love and this love creates a lot of you know more love and creates life life of the Spirit manifesting uh now not tomorrow and even if we have messed up a little bit in the past but we have all this you know this energy there's a spiritual energy coming from within us it's not from outside of us I don't know if it makes sense it does and and I'd love to hear from you just that but I want to say this is the real Cinderella Story right where he is activating the through his will and the prayers from his daughter to to be able to to dance the Walts with his grandchild I love that Jada any thoughts yeah I would you know because I I I know that we are about to close up our presentation today I was thinking about wrapping up by you know getting back to Taylor Swift and her okay and by the way she's a very notable woman and want to be admired uh and her personality her her her gifts and even how she she's do using her gifts because she brings a lot of Joy to the World as well but I was thinking that you know from this perspective like you say almost documentary that probably was done almost five years ago and that where she she shows that you know something that I think it's it relates to many of us if not the majority of us when I think that the measure of of success of my happiness is the approval of others yeah and so there we are you know thinking that you know if people say how wonderful how nice it's because you should you know you you're doing right but this is by their standards and here we are you know

and so there we are you know thinking that you know if people say how wonderful how nice it's because you should you know you you're doing right but this is by their standards and here we are you know seeing people cheering for us applauding us and saying that we are doing great but it's still that is this void this emptiness and this uh urge to find more to get more and this is the process of you know our hidden self saying please free me from this from this ego that I'm tired of being you know yes just uh just hidden there and uh and so I I I think you you know this is um was our go today to to Really invite everyone to reflect on the importance of self-discovery and um and again when we talk about self-discovery talking about selflove it's the way of surviving and I think it's the way that we can you know when you have this kind of determination to live the Cinderella story as well that will give us the stamina the will to to continue and so that's the invitation that youan and theangel gives us or presents to us here from this beginning is a b basic requirement greatest challenge but you can do it start where you are love it I love it um so I wanted to say we are unfortunately at the end of our time and um right let's let's be reminded uh Taylor Swift We we keep speaking reference to her and maybe aome uh royalties I'm just kidding she cuse after this big break that she Unshackled and I love it because when we readj a deangel she refer refers to shekles our own shekles right we imprison ourselves instead of being free and this is the invitation of breaking away just open up and be free and I just want to say that uh this this episode indeed jar is this invitation for all of us to embark on this inner Enlightenment I'm going to reference what you said earlier without Neurosis or even other psychotic phenomena just be free from where you are but before we say goodbye I want to say if this is the first time you are here with us in this program please note that the psychology

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