Ep 75 - Challenges in Health and Conscientiousness

hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to Better Life discussion I'm your host my name is Marcia trajo and with me is Dr anay fona hi anay good to see you it is indeed so good to have you here to discuss this topic right how to confront our challenges our um moments of Crisis anything that really moves away from a sense of balance and Harmony and the title today is challenges in health and Consciousness and uh I just immediately thought about that uh uh you came with us and you open your heart to talk about the issues that your home state of he it's the the state in the southernmost uh part of Brazil uh it actually connects right with Uruguay um end of April and most of May that uh that state and all their the population that state um faced um a terrible crisis from nature where there were floods there were storms and and uh those floods that uh covered uh if you will uh over 90% of the state but as of today we know from the statistics that it has killed almost 200 people and left almost uh a little bit over actually half a million people homeless and um that state your home state is still dealing with the crisis situation that were caused by the rains on a daily basis right so according to some experts they're saying that the metropoliton area of your city of PTO alri is still quite vulnerable to additional flooding and that potentially the uh complete drainage of the water in the region may take at least another a couple of months we'll see what's going to really happen as as this is an unfolding situation and uh as I was thinking about it right this is just one example of challenges that we face you are facing this to the moment I'm not but uh you and anyone else out there uh we're facing other moments of Crisis other challenges to us but before we start our conversation in Earnest uh around this topic challenges of health and Consciousness I would like to thank all of you who are here with us listening to our podcast and if this is the first time

art our conversation in Earnest uh around this topic challenges of health and Consciousness I would like to thank all of you who are here with us listening to our podcast and if this is the first time that you're joining us I would love to say that uh a little bit about the program psychology and spir spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna deangeles and the goal here is to use that rich rich content is to to use them to offer a a a sense of safety and it's a place that you can look in those themes that are presented to us with um with the courage to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from the different juncture here which is a psychological lens and spirituality lens as well so that we can bring perhaps insights tips and even some reworld advice to help you and me all of us lead a better life please note before we start that this program is sponsored by three organizations the TV monino the United States spiritist Federation and the international spiritist Council make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't already done so and if you like any additional information please note that we have an amazing website the uh spiritist that with a lot of information a lot of resources for you and if you have any questions any feedback any any thoughts write to us we'd love to hear from you but uh wanted to say a naive before we start our conversation I I told you about what came to my mind uh just before meeting you today but I wanted to ask you can you perhaps take a moment to provide your view on that correlation between challenging times the experiences that we live and the idea of conflict and how they lead to uh an Awakening and expansion of our consciousness okay so hello everyone well uh yes of course it's a synchronicity right that we are talking about challenges in health and Consciousness and at the same time I myself um um I'm leaving uh here a conflict with everybody else in my state of course yes because of this um you

that we are talking about challenges in health and Consciousness and at the same time I myself um um I'm leaving uh here a conflict with everybody else in my state of course yes because of this um you know climate um uh challenge uh and the floods and all of that so what I think Martha and everybody is that um Joanna says that a conflict is the certainty uncertainty about what to do or not to do uh which always causes imbalance and affliction right because we have to decide we have to we have to discern what to do and we can right we can we can do whatever we want to do we have the freedom as human beings but I love that idea that she brings right here that's that's the the area of if you will conflict what may I just say it's something that came to my mind if you don't mind go ahead go ahead but uh we we often bring to and I'm talking about in in the business environment right there's often um training and books and a lot of content to talk about how to manage conflicts and yet we understand that conflicts really just means diversity right it's diversity of how to approach an event uh a problem or anything else and and what comes to our mind with the the the citation that you brought to us from Jonah d'angeles I I keep thinking maybe that is that point that juncture where there's diversity in how we handle that point of conflict and with diversity we need to perhaps bring about um I'm thinking here bring about uh uh tolerance it uh maturity right the psychological maturity and the outcome of that is actually harnessing the uh sense of balance that we all should have but go ahead I interrupted you go ahead uh no no it's it's nice because it's exactly that that I was going to say uh that it depends on the way that we are looking at things because each one of us as individuals have um you know we have our own experience es in this life and of course we are talking about spiritist psychology so in other lives also so it's everything that we have learned our spirit has learned that it's going to

have our own experience es in this life and of course we are talking about spiritist psychology so in other lives also so it's everything that we have learned our spirit has learned that it's going to express uh itself this contents according to the life that we live here and the personality of course that yeah uh we the ego Consciousness right the personality that we developed in this life so it's like uh some things are going to manifest uh themselves in our complexity right and um these things are going to affect uh the way that we are looking to things and the the amount of discernment Joanna talks a lot about discernment to learn how to discern first of all what I'm feeling first of all about myself my inner world what I'm feeling what I'm thinking thinking and how I act upon something right so it's going to depend on how much I know myself because otherwise I will be flood I don't like to to make the analy because it's in my mind so but quite traumatic right there is a trauma to you personally to many of uh our friends family members and and so many more that is facing uh loss material loss and uh also mourning grieving those other people that uh that uh actually were impacted and and died that situation yeah there is a a synchronicity and with our times the times that we are living that that's what you are talking about and for instance we see in a lot of people's dreams with water for instance tsunamis and a lot of water coming and always usually is when the person is going through a crisis conflict as Jan is talking in this uh about conflicts and in her wonderful book times of health and Consciousness um so the thing is that uh when we dream of uh water coming towards us and we feel threatened and we feel fear and scared so we also make this analogy with the symbolism of the unconscious okay and the unconscious contents uh coming and kind of threatening the ego all right so there is an analogy and of course people all around the globe that are suffering crisis because of climate because of

nd the unconscious contents uh coming and kind of threatening the ego all right so there is an analogy and of course people all around the globe that are suffering crisis because of climate because of wars and uh one of the and even uh someone that because we have the collection uh the collective unconscious that connects all of us the depths of the psych right so we even in different countries and different cultures but we know that something something is coming let's say because we feel and we have this information in our Collective unconscious so we feel that we are in a transitional phase collectively speaking uh but also of course we have our own personal growth and our own personal development and crisis and conflicts so as within so without uh I mean in and out let's say okay and so the synchronicities is happened so what I talk about the flood and the water coming okay it's happening in my state happened and we are living the consequences um materially speaking okay and then of course the ego is going to be afraid is going to be challenged of how we are talking about challenges of how to face that what are my my in uh internal resources let's say to face this kind of challenge uh and my resilience we talk a lot about being resilient so we know that spirituality is a very powerful uh to let's say psychological to for res to help uh one face challenges and crisis uh but we also have the collective suffering right and we are in a collective and we also have um a brother uh because we are brothers and sisters as human beings so you know it's the rip of a fact um come what is happening inside of me it's happening outside of me okay and um and it goes both way both ways so what we are talking Mar and are asking me is exactly how we face this kind of um challenges so of course we are going to face with the resources first individually that each one of us has okay and as I was telling you you compare the nature of Consciousness to the eye that's very interesting because he says

are going to face with the resources first individually that each one of us has okay and as I was telling you you compare the nature of Consciousness to the eye that's very interesting because he says that only a limited number of things in our vision right um can be held okay we can have contact at any one time he says and in the same way the activity of Consciousness he's making this metaphor is selective so it has to be right to protect our our ability to absorb that isn't it yes for instance you were talking and I grasped One concept of what you're talking and a lot of people are going to say well but and I didn't answer what because we are the ego selective right so when and also about um it depends on our psychological type the level of stress that the eego is going under of course here we have been talking and we love to talk so and we love that everybody is excited about our podcast and things like that so of course we are more relaxed in a way but also okay the ego is here and what's the focus so when you you tell you talk to me and ask about the flood and how I personally are seen that and facing this challenge for instance of course then is the ego Consciousness that uh is going to pay attention to your question or you know yeah and um but at the same time see that's very interesting we know that we are we have a higher self yes so I know that in my ego for instance I have complexes I have um I have stuff in my unconscious for instance uh I have memories of the flood I have the worries with people that I love and the worries with the people from my state even if I don't know them because of course we are in the same all suffering the same uh the same challenge uh so everything comes and U like presses the ego to wow the images come you know to your mind sometimes people will will remember some dreams that we were talking about oh I have been dreaming about water I have lots of patients that previously to the to the floods have been dreaming about Waters

etimes people will will remember some dreams that we were talking about oh I have been dreaming about water I have lots of patients that previously to the to the floods have been dreaming about Waters interesting it's very inter and even if the water uh the difference the water is clean if the water is dirty because of course it was dirty materially in the flood but I have had people about water look at that that's very interesting previously to the flood I have had some and actually they were women maybe because women are kind of more sometimes because of the subjective part that it's kind of easier for us the psychology uh of us so so you're speaking about that uh intuition and that contact with all the there is there yes exactly not that of course men uh of course they also have but for us it's kind of easier that's that's the reality of um and it's evidence you're not just speaking there is evidence to that yeah that's yeah so because it's intuition comes easier and also the subjectiveness of the psych uh it's all in our psychology uh so I have had some patients uh women uh dreaming with a lot of water like crossing a river for instance or swimming in the in the I can remember one person swimming in a river yeah but then uh you know the stream was really tough yes and actually it's interesting because she had been a a champion uh uh she used to swim in comp in competitions when yeah and then cly what I say with awesome is that linkages right her personal life that uh Collective andc conscious and the reference to water and how she specifically is now bringing up um this the challenges that everybody's going through yes because that was like two weeks a couple of weeks previous to the floods and even the rain hadn't started yet the r the the way it rained so she's dreaming about swimming in this River and then the the stream got really tough you know yeah and and uh suddenly she said well I'm getting tired but the water was clean and the river was beautiful I'm getting tired and when she

this River and then the the stream got really tough you know yeah and and uh suddenly she said well I'm getting tired but the water was clean and the river was beautiful I'm getting tired and when she says that uh suddenly uh she sees Dolphins swiming gorgeous yeah and the Dolphins um kind of accompany her um you know to go back not to face all you know the river so strong and all that and to go back to land so we talked about that later on the floods and the symbolism of the Dolphins are um they are very spiritual the symbolism is very spiritual so she was connecting with something deep inside of her because when we talk with this kind of symbolism in the dreams we are talking about the higher self so she knew in advance okay in her site the dreams because we know that uh it's the yung's self concept of the self capital S what we call higher self that is in charge of the messages of the dream okay uh so of course that was previous to the flood so she was having the information that she would have to face tough times but she was also having the information that in the dream that she didn't have to f straightforward that maybe it would be nice and to use her spiritual uh resources to just step back and watch the thing and not connect in a way you know to go there and try to face that all that River this the strength of the river try to cross you know to something unknown so so there's there's something really interesting um and I went when you talk about this person that used to right used to to to swim in a swim team and and that's quite powerful right uh when you when you see I'm I'm traversing this x amount of uh kilometers if you will and I I I can do this because I know how to swim that's a tool right there a technique there is a experience Etc and and but to me when you said that uh the dolphin symbol is a it's a highly spiritual to me and what I thought about a dolphin the symbol of the dolphin is of Joy right you often see them uh footage of them in the ocean just flipping and

the dolphin symbol is a it's a highly spiritual to me and what I thought about a dolphin the symbol of the dolphin is of Joy right you often see them uh footage of them in the ocean just flipping and coming so there's that uh really interesting view of um of a um being able to play to to be present and I I I also what came to my mind and maybe you want to you know relay that message further but uh you know Paul Simon the singer he wrote a beautiful song that to me is one of his best work which is Bridge Over Troubled Water oh yes I love that right and and if you think about it he says he starts with when you're weary yes feeling small and feeling small to me as you speak um about uh the threat to the ego right with a crisis that's what came to my mind feeling small right and and then he goes on to say when Tears In Your Eyes I'll dry them all I'm on your side which to me there's this sense of a spiritual um embrace right is how uh the sense of your own spirituality can bring you the Comfort I'm on your side right and then he goes on when times get tough right rough and friends can't be found like a bridge over trouble water I will lay me down and he keeps repeating that right when this happens when darkness comes pain is all around like a bridge over troubl water I'll lay me down and and I I I'm thinking about the song that I love so much and I'm connecting with the thoughts that you're bringing here with the sense courage right with a sense that uh psychological maturity with a sense that Consciousness is all about going through those Troubled Waters right that you mentioned before just this all of this craziness this noise this uncertainty but when you reach a sense of balance of Harmony of Courage you are like a bridge and you lay lay yourself down and you're able to see all of it those Troubled Waters go down because you can and I think that's the message uh for all of us if you will that we we must harness all the goodness that is out there all this amazing um Divine Mercy

it those Troubled Waters go down because you can and I think that's the message uh for all of us if you will that we we must harness all the goodness that is out there all this amazing um Divine Mercy right this sense of I you're not alone you're not alone even when you think you're alone we're here we're we're here together but go ahead uh anay yes so um exactly that's the idea so the unconscious for youung and for Jana has wisdom and we have because we know that the the self the archetype of the self uh and what we call um unions call the imod the image of God our in inner image of God uh is deep within our unconscious so it has wisdom and can give us strength so um just to talk about the symbolis look at that exactly what you you mention I love this song by the way so exactly what you mentioned that it's um the symbolism of the of the Dolphins uh you know they they are related to peace and Harmony uh in as you said they are joyful graceful compassionate intelligent generous and protective and also they say it also symbolizes cooperation and freedom it its energy is positive and it is of often a symbol of love life and joy so imagine yeah imagine uh that the for this person the self okay the higher self was bringing a message before before the floods and the awful you know uh crises and climate um catastrophe in in my state so it was bringing a message previously to the event that she would have to face and that um all everybody here would have to face but a message for her specifically because it was in her dream that um that she had this this positive uh energy that this love life and joy and of course there is something important for you to consider this person had been uh in in the past okay in the past a couple of years ago actually when she started analysis she was in the in depression recovering from a depression so uh we also say that um the message of this the self in dreams uh usually there are some reasons why the self of course there are always reasons why the self send some uh some

ring from a depression so uh we also say that um the message of this the self in dreams uh usually there are some reasons why the self of course there are always reasons why the self send some uh some images some symbols for the ego to consider and uh one of the main purposes is to bring some compensation okay from the vi like uh broaden the Consciousness okay as we were saying that Yung said that compare the nature of the conscious as to the the eye so that we have limited Vision so the the self brings like um some material some images and symbols and subjects to be considered information to be considered by the ego so that the ego can expand its Vision beautiful beautiful because it's a compensation thing so to symbol that talks about peace and Harmony in the middle of a crisis well actually it was not previously to a crisis look at how the wisdom of the unconscious and to me and when you say that right it's h all of this beautiful imagery that spoke to her specifically through her dreams right but what comes to my mind as well is uh almost a message pay attention to all the strength that you have right pay attention and don't be reactive to the crisis that's coming your way when we talk about uh uh Health right uh uh um challenges in health and Consciousness to me it's really how do we put it all together how can I maintain my health and by that we can talk not just the mental health emotional health but also physical health because we we understand right that often whatever comes through uh in those moments of Crisis and I love what you said before right it is really your egoic constructs go feeling threatened and and fighting right fighting and that fight may lead to many different types of uh response including the somatization of diseases right uh even though most often when you talk about uh uh challenges in in your health right I almost think that you're talking about mental health exclusively but it's not yes because body and mind are connected and the spirit right but you said

about uh uh challenges in in your health right I almost think that you're talking about mental health exclusively but it's not yes because body and mind are connected and the spirit right but you said something really important because here we have a paradox the ego because when the flood started she was really afraid that she would get into into a depression again yeah of course and connecting to all the suffering that everybody was going through and she is a medical personal also so she of course she was talking to patience not from the mental health but uh but um she sees patience in her spirituality all the time clinical Health right clinical Health yes so how can we talk um about peace and Harmony that are in the symbol of the Dolphins yeah um at the same time that we talk about you know fear anxiety um at the same time yeah the fear anxiety that a conflict like this uh that you you know go through um provokes in the ego yes we can that's the beauty of it because if we know our ourselves and that's what Janna asks us to do if we know if if we are in contact with our truth inner truth of course yeah and with our shadows our complexes uh our difficulties Janna talks about our limitations how to it's the way to be cont to know ourselves is the way to overcome these limitations because uh if we really look deep within ourselves and have some calm even in the middle of a crises a conflict and um see within ourselves which emotions I'm feeling uh how am am I facing this with some calm at least of course even if in the first moments we get fearful and threatened and all of that it's okay it's normal it's part of the reaction of the ego but if I can like that's why prayers meditations are so important reading a sacred text the one that people are more connected uh bringing in in the mind um uh uh Jonah talks about its beautiful landscape yeah the inner landscape right so if I CM down if I do a little bit of meditation bring a nice landscape then I can connect with the wisdom that it's in

uh uh Jonah talks about its beautiful landscape yeah the inner landscape right so if I CM down if I do a little bit of meditation bring a nice landscape then I can connect with the wisdom that it's in my unconscious maybe talking about this person and she did I will remember the dream that I had some couple of weeks ago and then I will understand that the the higher self the ego didn't know what was going to happen but the higher self that is connected with the what we call the transpersonal dimension of the the collective knew that it was going to happen and we know through like a b passing right by passing the ego and bringing that out of space and time the ego is connected with the space and time but the higher self the Yung self and because Joanna J said that it's our spirit and so of course there our spirit is connected totally with the spiritual dimension this what we call in Psychology the transpersonal dimension of the psych or Collective unconscious so what would you say perhaps sorry to interrupt you but it's just intriguing to me what would you say to everyone who's watching uh and listening to to this program today what would you maybe recommend for anyone it doesn't have to be a a victim of a horrible cat catastrophic flood in your state but it can be um I'm I'm fatigued I don't want to go back to work I'm I'm I'm feeling depressed I am so afraid that this is going to happen to me it's said what would you recommend for those individuals perhaps uh uh I'm thinking here maybe you're going to say something about being connected to yourself but also document those those thoughts those dreams what are your thoughts yes um um I would say something that I learned with Joanna that this self analysis don't be afraid of what you're uh feeling and thinking pay attention look at what you are feeling and thinking and how you react this is very important she talks about that because because we are talking about challenges in health and Consciousness so we have to bring this

at what you are feeling and thinking and how you react this is very important she talks about that because because we are talking about challenges in health and Consciousness so we have to bring this contents to Consciousness and how and and pay attention to how we react what is the act that is a a result from my emotions and feelings because as she says we are going to repeat them until we identify discern she as I told you she uses a lot of the the word discernment yeah so discern that my emotions my way of thinking uh in this kind of situation because these situations are going to repeat themselves elves in our lives yeah yeah so and she said face the dark uh emotions and the dark thoughts I love that this is so important right and I we we have become this is our inheritance right our society has become quite judgmental if this happens this is good this happens so The Duality right and and we we come with indiv amazing individuals like Joanna d'angeles and many others that brings they bring to us this notion of you more than this dual response to an event that uh because of it we should look with equinity or no no judgment right and just Embrace and the more we Embrace what we could call the dark and the lightness of your being the more we able to really Embrace who we are in our totality yes and change the behaviors that are caused by our shadows for instance right because we cannot change something that we deny within ourselves of course we are going to repress it's going to be in the unconscious in the personal unconscious and how are we to work with these uh issues you know so it's very important that that we as you said be compassionate to ourselves don't be a don't have this bad habit of canceling ourselves because everybody wants to cancel this and that nowadays this is so from the psychological point of view if I cannot hear something that I disagree yeah with an open heart and respect for other people's thoughts and you know I'm not Psych therapist of anyone only the

from the psychological point of view if I cannot hear something that I disagree yeah with an open heart and respect for other people's thoughts and you know I'm not Psych therapist of anyone only the people that um uh come searching for my professional he let's say yeah we shouldn't we we should try to be therapists of ourselves because I love that I really do yeah we have this possibility the Healer the archetype of the healer is within all of us in in therapy and psychoanalysis and in analysis what we do is to uh temporarily project uh the Healer the archetype of the Healer gets active but I still don't recognize in myself so I have to see a doctor an analyst a psychotherapist for some time it's okay but if I realize and if the therapy helps the person to realize that the healer is within myself ah yes and this is the real empowerment empowerment sorry yes no no no sorry for the the thoughts keep coming to me today my apologies but I I always uh as you're talking about it I keep thinking um as as the Healer the self-healer the your own uh psychotherapist right we we look with Cur to ourselves with curiosity right and we pay attention not just just at the surface level but pay attention the depth of why am I feeling this way and we eventually we we are able to use those challenging times those uh uh painful moments those uh uh moments of Crisis as we talked earlier as the the the the connect point the the um linking pin if you will to our true uh Consciousness in its own expansion I was reading uh a not so long ago about uh Consciousness from a psychological definition and uh and I think I would love to to hear your opinion because I think this is very much um material view of what Consciousness is but um um the definition from a psychological point of view of a Consciousness is that it is a critical personality type or trait right that will reflect that Consciousness the tendency to be responsible organized hardworking goal directed and the ability to adhere to Norms and rules

at it is a critical personality type or trait right that will reflect that Consciousness the tendency to be responsible organized hardworking goal directed and the ability to adhere to Norms and rules right and and and I I thought about it um and to me this is very material because I would talk about this uh from a work a work environment this is what we all need to be we need to be conscious consciously aware because for me to be productive right to be well to be a contributing member of any given situation or or organization I need to to harness the idea of responsibility or a vulnerability right I know if I'm causing the totality of this community this this organization and uh because I'm responsible for this I'm all for it I also need to be responsible for undoing any harmful things that I caused I also need to be organized I need to to commit myself to whatever Theme by being hard working and but I can only do that if I understand the Norms right if I can understand the rules of how this cell this organization works and because of it I am now um uh I'm able to to really be open to experiences I can have a more much more creative um band I I can be con uh right I can do all of those things that will enable me as a human being uh to be better to be uh contributing um person with everybody else don't know if it makes sense to you but this is how I interpreted the definition from a psychology of Consciousness I know that you are a student of Joanna I know that you also uh really focus your your studies in Consciousness and the expansion of consciousness I'd love to hear from you about how how to we Define that an it's kind of hard because people um think a lot in mental health professionals but what's Consciousness even physicist nowadays you know a lot of so I was listening to you and I think all that you described for me it seems like uh we are talking about the ego Consciousness right yes yes but for for you um the ego is just the center of Consciousness ah I Consciousness for is

I think all that you described for me it seems like uh we are talking about the ego Consciousness right yes yes but for for you um the ego is just the center of Consciousness ah I Consciousness for is uh broader than that even Consciousness is broader than that because then the ego is what's paying attention in doing all this hard work as you say as you mentioned before right that yes and has a limited view okay so I think when even in the working environment if you stress too much because I'm always word with burnout you know and everything because people we we see a lot of people in our offices with burnout and so I think this kind of describing Consciousness um can lead to burnout because then you are always worried with what I'm not perceiving what I'm doing that it's not correct what uh we when I was listening to it it's like uh we are talking about flaws that we yes fine and and then this is giving everybody b a burnout you know because I'm always have to uh produce more and I'm always running against even the clock and whatever and the the activities in the day so I think um it's it limits us and I think it's like um it's like a a trap that even in the working environment people haven't realized yet if you put so much pressure that Consciousness is um it's all of that and I I have it's like a list of what to do what I'm doing right what I'm doing wrong it's giving everybody burnout depression and anxiety so I think we should understand that the ego is limited by its own function but it's uh we have to be very compassionate with the ego as as a a young psychiatrist we are trained with the functions of the ego when the person gets in the hospital we gave um when I was listening to you I said wow I'm back to the hospital and my psychiatric training checking doing a checking of the ego functions you know and um really I went to Jung previously then actually I found Jung because of Joanna it wasn't yeah other so um but I'm studying Yung and Joanna I thought wow I can relax you

he ego functions you know and um really I went to Jung previously then actually I found Jung because of Joanna it wasn't yeah other so um but I'm studying Yung and Joanna I thought wow I can relax you know because it's not all about the ego and the you know the way that the ego connects to we have a higher a higher Consciousness we have to trust this higher conscious in the day by day in work we have to pay attention to synchronicities maybe I'm doing a task Mar um that I'm I was not supposed to do oh but my boss is going to get mad sorry but I have to as Yung said I have to be loyal and my first loyalty should be with my higher self because my higher self knows what I'm supposed to do so if I'm doing a task that it's um you know sending me through it's very tough to do that to say no to the outside world it's very tough I understand that and even when only when the ego is mature enough can the ego have strength Joanna talks a lot about the moral strength okay so the moral strength we are going to have conflicts not only with the outside crisis but with we are talking also about inner conflicts right because they are um from our development the development not only of the personality in the life cycle but of our spirit that it's here for some purpose and it's not for pleasing everyone I'm not here to say yes to everyone or to please everyone and not even to be you know a a wow a very successive successful uh professional for instance it's nice if I am and if it's it's nice of course of course if I of course I have to earn my living but sometimes people say oh you are crazy you are living that job that you are earning this and that much to go do that that it's nothing nobody's going to pay attention to you and you are going to live have to live with less but that uh choice I have to do by myself not because of what people are saying and only only I am responsible for my CH this discernment as you to say says and if to check my inner peace I I love what you're saying

ice I have to do by myself not because of what people are saying and only only I am responsible for my CH this discernment as you to say says and if to check my inner peace I I love what you're saying because sorry for my coughing here but uh uh really like it because I think when you talk about ego and uh and the push to be successful for example professionally or whatever um this ego reflects where we are today in our society and unfortunately we are uh and I keep thinking of the image of a a shekele right we're Shackled um to the notion that I am um successful I am accepted I am a revered even if I am a construct of this Society uh of production so long I have a job so long I have to the minute you give up all of this like you're now dismissed but the pandemic right 2020 through uh uh they called about 2021 so those two years where uh the entire population this planet had was very vulnerable to covid-19 but during the pandemic um one of the the things that are quite interesting was how it triggered so many people to exactly what you said letting go and decided to say goodbye to their former um their former identity through work family Etc hence the the great resignation right where everybody had to rethink about how do we go about being good to myself go to ourselves and uh to find a place that I am no longer repressed oppressed by the expectations of the world and instead I am hearing to that higher self that connection to that's you know the the the the divine within right to all that is good yeah and to to end our conversation I would like to leave too because I love to see what Yung says what Jah says yeah how they they connect with each other it's beautiful to see that and actually it's a um joint work and she and we know that she's using a lot of uh you concepts of course because they have been working previously before of course yeah so good yeah so to connect everything that we have said two sentence one by Yung and finishing with Jonah uh this is beautiful Yung says the

use they have been working previously before of course yeah so good yeah so to connect everything that we have said two sentence one by Yung and finishing with Jonah uh this is beautiful Yung says the unconscious is not just evil okay it says that because of the personal unconscious fraudin that all the repressed the shadow so it says the unconscious is not just Evil By Nature it is also the source of the highest good not only dark but also light not only Celestial semi human and demonic but superum spiritual and in the classical sense of the word divine love it and now Joanna so that we can close our conversation Jonah says Consciousness expands the horizons of thought promoting real Health which is expressed as balance before the the cosmos isn't that beautiful it it's it's it's very comforting both of them right to to first of all uh addressing those uh inherited perhaps concepts of judgment right and the idea that if it's in your unconsciousness something something that we have repressed somehow and we have repressed because it's not acceptable and then to see this this microcosmos of who we are in relation to the entire the entirety of our existence very very nice we are at time though so I think we just need to park that uh really great discussion to a future one so we can maybe address some more of some Concepts and I really appreciate you being here with us I appreciate you um being uh not only following this uh program but also giving us your feedback and uh anay we'll meet again soon thank you so very much for today's contributions and discussions thank you bye-bye everyone bye-bye