Ep 54 - A Sick World - Overcoming Crises

hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host mercano and with me is Dr an F it is so so good to have you join us in this conversation anay for those who have not met or even heard of an and she's been with us alongside this past years uh of conversations right anay but for those who for whatever reason have not heard her before uh in our program Dr Nai is a psychiatrist member of the Psychiatric Association of RI granded dul in Brazil where she's also a coordinator and a founding member of its Department of Psychiatry and spirituality she is a member of Brazilian Psychiatric association and of the section of religiosity spirituality and Psychiatry of the world Psychiatry Association Dr na is a y Yan my apologies a yungan analyst and supervisor and she's also the coordinator of the Department of analytical psychology and spirituality of the Union Association of Brazil Dr fona is a member of the spiritist Medical Association of R Grand dusu and of the spiritist medical association in Brazil where she teaches spiritist psychology of Joanna deandrew so she is vitally important in this program and I'm so so thankful thank you so much na for leading this conversation and today we're going to talk about this current state right our world is somehow suffering it's crying it is sick and this is very interesting conversation because we if we think about our timeline we have survived a world pandemic but uh most of us if you think about believe we are sick as an organization as a world as a society and um from that perspective we will talk a little bit about crisis right and and uh the dictionary definition crisis is um a time with intense difficulty trouble or danger and in fact and we're going to talk about it later right the word crisis is derived from um srit but the Greek origin of Crisis can be interpret as a change or a conflict that takes place at any stage of our life and for whatever reason has not been resolved or over and I think

rived from um srit but the Greek origin of Crisis can be interpret as a change or a conflict that takes place at any stage of our life and for whatever reason has not been resolved or over and I think this is what's the the the what we want to talk about right we're in crisis because we have not yet to overcome this period And I just want to say to all of you who are here watching this uh this program today with me thank you thank you so much for being here and if this is your first time watching the podcast like program please note that this program psychology and spirituality weekly talk are based on the works of Joanna deangeles and we are here because we want to create to offer all of us the safe space to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from a psychological lens today's program sponsored by TV man Cino the United States spiritist Federation the international spiritual Council and army Brazil and make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't already done so if you have any questions feedback critique anything write in the chat window and we will try to to address them if not now at a later time but an before we start a conversation I am eager for you to share with our audience today what's on top of your mind lately I know that anay is the behind scene Mastermind of a week long and correct me if I'm wrong but a weeklong event that will take place in August of this year in a special location of Brazil it is uh the city is called canel and is just the most beautiful place and it's right there H which is borders with Argentina so the very bottom of Brazil geographically speaking and and uh I believe the title is Yung culture and spirituality in Brazil right searching for the spirit of the depth in modern time anay can you talk a little bit about it where we are where we can find more information before we start we we start talking about the the sick world and the crisis in Earnest now first of all it's a pleasure to be here and like a a frud and slip uh

are where we can find more information before we start we we start talking about the the sick world and the crisis in Earnest now first of all it's a pleasure to be here and like a a frud and slip uh with said um I would love to be young besides being yes me too me too we all have um the inner child okay that it's um that it's okay one of our complexes but also in the core of the inner child complex uh there is the archetype of the child and um we say the divine child so there all this creativity and Imagination and mystery and enchantment that the child brings to life discovering life being humble that we don't know everything that the world has its magic and I think that's what Jesus uh wanted to tell us that we should be like children to um to get to go into um this new kingdom that he was talking about right the Divine Kingdom that we should express it uh and we have been talking a lot in our podcast the the spiritual Realms the Divine Realms that um he came to teach us uh how to achieve it and so the crisis and also um what it's in my mind with and Joanna is responsible for a lot of what's in my mind these days uh because she puts together all psychology that we study and also all the spiritist knowledge and she opens New Paths for understanding the Spirit uh of the deps that it's in the title of Yung in Brazil can you say that again the title of the the program uh yes so we call the the search for the spirits the spirit of the deaths so this Spirit of the D of the deaths um are it's like you know we have been talking like the self for instance that Jonah says that the Yung self is our spirit so that has we know that for us here in this experience in this life uh we are discovering ourselves it's a process of self-discovery right and uh discovering our soul potentials as co-creators of our reality so it's so important Marsha and everybody that is uh watching us uh and listening to this book broadcast for us to reconnect with our inner world and Joanna calls us to do this inner

rs of our reality so it's so important Marsha and everybody that is uh watching us uh and listening to this book broadcast for us to reconnect with our inner world and Joanna calls us to do this inner journey of self-discovery uh why because all our poten all our you know the um our Soul's development let's say our Consciousness the evolution of our Consciousness either individual but also Collective L we are going to be talking about that today uh so our Evolution and the evolution of the world itself the world that we live in because we are a Humanity that is living uh among other sensient beings beings that are able to feel and to sense and are also evolving so we are evolving as brothers and sisters in this humanity and in this and this uh Earth of ours right gu we call GA with all the sensient beings so it's a beautiful process of evolution of Consciousness and we are actually um you know privileged to be here and to to already have this Consciousness that in this book that our talk is uh today's based that it's um it's um finding peace and health right um her book she talks about this evolution of Consciousness from Instinct as uh you know very young like animals that we were once uh but also so from instincts to until to to reach a certain point of rationality but not being stuck in this point so that we can grow to what we call what she calls actually and a lot of other uh Manors and spiritual guides are calling uh Cosmic Consciousness and it's so beautiful so we thought about I I have been working with professor professor ELO Corbett that it's one of the main uh yungan authors that talk about spirituality in yung's work and um religiosity in yung's work work and so uh he says that the world the world is nowadays disenchanted you talked about the pandemic right so in the pandemic people of course we were all afraid of dying our egos not our self our higher Consciousness because our higher Consciousness knows that we never die we die only in the material body but it's

pandemic people of course we were all afraid of dying our egos not our self our higher Consciousness because our higher Consciousness knows that we never die we die only in the material body but it's part of life of our eternal life of evolution our Evolution but in the ego we were very afraid so of course we would turn to our technology the vaccines and our science yes the development of course it it's um and as by the way just sorry to interrupt your your your your thought process but I think it's important for us to to understand despite the crisis that came with the pandemic like you said there was this this birth this Outburst of uh technological Advance because of the urgency that changed I I work and I in the healthc care field here in the US and and I understand for example in the in North America the well us specifically Us in Food Administration right the FDA has a has a responsibility to ensuring safety Etc and but because of it there was just this long life cycle to create anything new including vaccines and the pandemic just changed uprooted the entire process it was possible as we now know now one year to get from start to finish the the uh process of finding the or healing or minimizing the impacts of covid but back to you sorry for that but I I just thought it was very interesting for us to know technological advances in many areas including Health Care came because of this crisis right an yes exactly so um but so science techn ology and um what we say a mechan mechanistic approach to life has been growing on and I think the pandemic just as you said accelerated the process right uh but um at the it's a paradox because at the same time and because of the fear the fear is in the the the Instinct of fear of fighting and running it's it's in the bases of the brain it's very primitive in all of us is it is it correct called The Reptilian Brain yeah a lot of us call The Reptilian brains but the so because of this it's a paradox okay because of this we uh we for a while we thought you know

of us is it is it correct called The Reptilian Brain yeah a lot of us call The Reptilian brains but the so because of this it's a paradox okay because of this we uh we for a while we thought you know we have to need to have something that will save us and this is a a very primitive way of thinking yeah because what is salvation yeah and when I think about um I cannot uh for instance forget philosophy that brought us to this point also and also spirituality and Rel so so are these are all forces together with science in rational thinking are forces potentialities of our souls of our psych but if I you know if I get unilateral if I only think of one um from one point of view then I'm going to be missing a lot of what it's forces within my soul within my psych within my mind that are really very important for you know the whole of my of my personality of my psych so what we say Professor L Corbett and I in our talks and studies and a lot of other y analysts for instance that um always is a very if you you can get a very unbalanced and not healthy we are talking about crisis mentally healthy yeah okay not mentally healthy if you uh go if you get only one point of view and and if you use only one of your potentials you know of your your mind of your forces inner inner strengths let's say okay and potentialities of of the psych of the mind so it's it's kind of dangerous and one of the things that um we get unbalance and we are seeing this in our crisis that uh could have for instance uh P the pandemic and everything that we have learned about we had this precious time time to think to be in our homes with our families and what happened did we get more balanced and uh you know did we meditate more did we uh develop our spirituality well a lot of people did but actually a lot of people didn't and what we saw is that a lot of people got imbalan I think it's one of the things because this activation of the rep Reptilian Brain I just said fear and this Basic Instincts and then uh

eople didn't and what we saw is that a lot of people got imbalan I think it's one of the things because this activation of the rep Reptilian Brain I just said fear and this Basic Instincts and then uh technology started being like for many people like the Salvation yes interesting yeah science and for instance um okay we medical doctors I do research so we are kind of scientists as psychiatrist and all that we are scientist but and I study for since the anomalous spiritual experiences we are going to be talking this in Yung and bra about this also in Yung and Brazil uh we are going to have um researches in this field you and J are going to be there too and we're going to be talk also about um spiritist knowledge and jeles we are going to be so we are covering a lot of grounds searching for this balance that can only be achieved if we search for the spirit of the death as uh we were talking about you know if we try to reach uh really what it's important and precious within our soul our inner knowledge wisdom that it's not only of course due to the ego the ego is the Consciousness the center of our personality and our conscious mind that is dealing with this world but for instance the the ego is subject totally subject to materialistic um thinking because it's dealing with the the material life with this three-dimensional space and time that we are in but it's this is the ego so according to Joanna and to a lot of Y thinkers as uh myself and Professor Lono Corbett there is this self our higher self our spirit that the ego is in contact even if the ego doesn't want to be in contact sometimes I want attention to this life I want to you know to study Science and Technology because this saved us and so but the problem is that the selft talk to the ego through intuitions synchronicities dreams right and it's calling all the time because the self y self and is the out the part of the pych let's say that is connected to the transpersonal dimension of the pych to the what Yun called the collective

t and it's calling all the time because the self y self and is the out the part of the pych let's say that is connected to the transpersonal dimension of the pych to the what Yun called the collective unconscious and see Mara we were talking the beginning that we are in a crisis we are developing more Consciousness because we know that crises bring uh they are they put uh let's say things in opposition to one another yeah uh and so of course for instance um let's say the pandemic was a global crisis right but also we were as individuals suffering this Cris so of course let's say about the let's talk about the ego so the ego was suffering with the fear of death with grieving for people that's left okay and many of us here including in this podcast uh discussion here I'm sure either knows of someone or have suffered or uh was impacted by someone who who suffered through covid and so this is a very real um issue here right and um this one specific crisis this is not the only one but this relatively recent crisis for that we all went through yeah and you say when you talked about so we were all mourning in a sense and Afraid yes yes so when you talked about Jon Jon talks about crisis and she remembers that it comes from the Sanskrit yes or C right and the meaning is to release in Sanskrit to purify so what were were we releasing in this this crisis what were we purifying within ourselves I love that that that just right there right right there what are we doing why and if we see that it changes everything right and when we really look at the origin of the word in this case the Sanskrit origin origin it really shifts dramatically on how we must stop to maybe L re-evaluate where we are what we're doing the pains right the pains that we're going through and why what is behind uh that suffering and so on so forth but go on you're saying that the the the the Sanskrit word is about releasing right purifying yes see how beautiful so one of the things Mars and and everybody else is that um of course

so on so forth but go on you're saying that the the the the Sanskrit word is about releasing right purifying yes see how beautiful so one of the things Mars and and everybody else is that um of course we were in opposition the ego was very opposed because if it was uh worded with dying and mourning you know people that left and all all of this so of course we were um it was opposing the inner force and the struggle that the self was trying you know the calling let's say of the inner voice of this deep the spirit of this deaths um okay our own deaths yeah that it was calling us to release this wisdom yes that that of course it would diminish our fear and also our mourning uh for the ones that went ahead of us yeah when we remember that we are Eternal and uh that we are here just to learn and to go back to whatever people think they are going back to uh but to go back uh enriched and let's say uh with more wisdom with our hearts with more faith for instance with more connection to the creation to God and this is so important JN is always uh reminding us that we are um supposed to go towards um Cosmic Evolution yes right so it's so so important so I know that a lot of people had H have had an Awakening A Spiritual Awakening with the pandemic can I say something that is just came to my mind uh and uh it's quite silly but uh I'm an evid uh lover of documentaries about nature and uh in the your neck of the woods right in the south of Brazil relatively close to pagonia uh there was this documentary about pagonia how it's booming that ecosystem has been protected and uh all the animals are are just thriving and the one population that is thriving I I believe is the Puma a cat right wild cat large wild cat and uh so the documentary is about what they can do the the larger uh competition that is coming from uh other Pumas because they're thriving now so territories are limited etc etc but one of the things that you're talking here in back to human evolution and how our evolving mind it's it's is how we we we

ther Pumas because they're thriving now so territories are limited etc etc but one of the things that you're talking here in back to human evolution and how our evolving mind it's it's is how we we we went from that uh early uh reptilian me uh uh uh brain into a m million right uh brain into where we are now fear is the key Point how we go back no matter what right no matter how evolved we are becoming fear still very very strongly connecting all of us so the image that came to me you're get to left and I but it was of the the mother puma and she has all her Cubs and she has to get out to hunt then call them to go to her so they can feed so it's it's it's very threatening and in this documentary specifically they talked about this one male in the group of female that was quite adventurous and one female that was quite shy and a lot of the discussions there is the the the uh as they grow how to to tap into I'm too forward versus I'm too timid in terms of survival if you're too timid you never learn how to hunt if you're too aggressive before you're ready you will be hunted and killed and it's very interesting that you see that fine balance that maybe when you're talking about the evolution of us human beings no longer Pumas but human beings here there's a point where we must have front and center to to our thinking to to manage the fear so that we did not do things ahead of time but it is now time to become adults and and to forward to to to take responsibility to nourish ourselves and I'm talking about more in the psychological perspective in the spiritual perspective right let's nourish us let's be strong let's go out instead of being timid and and and and and uh uh Paralyzed by fear I I just thought it was funny to that you're talking it this memory this visual memory image came very strong to me and I well I think it's a a a great example a very simple but very very profound very deep example uh for inst Mara of of what happens in this transpersonal dimension of the psych as the collective

me and I well I think it's a a a great example a very simple but very very profound very deep example uh for inst Mara of of what happens in this transpersonal dimension of the psych as the collective and conscious as you says and the way that we evolve together that's so that's why it's so important for to have these talks to have people talking to each other again as you used to do sit by the fire can be your fireplace doesn't have to be outside our homes anymore let sit by the fire with everybody teenagers grandpas grandmas children and talk about these things you know because um I remember now when you were talking about this the Pumas the very shine very the other one that was very bra agressive yeah yeah very brave yeah how do we balance the forces within ourselves because sometimes we have a very shy Puma at the same time as a very aggressive part of us right and um which one predominates how do we balance these forces and so we are learning um individually inner with not with this inner conversation let's say when the ego comes down and starts really paying attention to dreams uh to synchronicities meaningful coincidences or coincidences connected by meaning we could say in the world that show us that our inner world and the outer world are related in a meaningful way and also insights and in intuitions and it's I think it's a a beautiful image that you brought with the Puma and this and say they were you know thriving and and all of this because I think we are undergoing as Humanity the same process only in a higher uh step because of our rational mind mind and our also the development of our spirituality uh I'm quite sure as youna tells us that it's the path uh towards Cosmic Evolution as just the you know this all the understanding all this connection but uh it reminded me that uh yung's project of psycholog you um it was very focused on the platonic uh idea of uh World soul that it's call in Latin anima Mundi anima it's so and Mundi is the world right and it's it was also a

uh yung's project of psycholog you um it was very focused on the platonic uh idea of uh World soul that it's call in Latin anima Mundi anima it's so and Mundi is the world right and it's it was also a cosmic concept the cosmic world uh Plato was talking about and um in the concept is that is that the universe is one whole holes he says right and um he he sees think of the world as a single living creature look how beautiful it that contains all living creatures within it us included right Humanity included so um so the world Soul would be the soul of the cosmos we are Cosmic beings because we are created uh with the same elements of the cosmos this is beautiful if you think so we are not a part of the cosm a part we are part of the cosmos right and he described it all of uh this um the world the soul of the world the world so as the intelligent and harmonious principle of proportion or relatedness that exists at the heart of the cosmic pattern and allows the Living World to unfold in the best possible way I think your Puma is an example you are very inspired was an example of Plato's uh animamundi you know that it seems oh I have never read about Plato but people can put in the Wikipedia Plato and anund and um learn a little more but um your Puma it's perfect uh you know the example because it's the way that if we understand that everything is connected yeah everything and everyone so we understand that um each step of the way that we develop more Consciousness about ourselves and so the about our inner world and the outer world we are evolving together isn't that wonderful yes yeah in spiritually speaking it's not the the survival of the strongest yes there's not in spiritually speaking we are all evolving together so everything that I learn oh this is because I'm a young analyst I'm young analyst a young anal to be to be in my mind I am and and and so uh if I you know really understand I really try to understand read Joanna and think about all these issues and all this stuff and well of

nalyst a young anal to be to be in my mind I am and and and so uh if I you know really understand I really try to understand read Joanna and think about all these issues and all this stuff and well of course then Prejudice selfishness everything that is bringing crisis to our world Jonah says about this crisis of values yeah because people then um you know connect only to materialistic things and forget that basically that's what youan is saying that forget that it's not about of what we have in this world what we have is just things for us to learn here practical things and possibilities it's the tools right we're here because the world provide tools through uh and I'm thinking the word would be existential but it's not it but it's in In Living experiencing uh through a material lens a material um uh uh area we then become uh acquire wisdom you mentioned this already one of the things that I I was thinking just now uh as you as you said and you're referring to Joanna d' angels in in this book that you we mention and it's in the it's in the description of today's discussion by the way as a reference for everyone but in in that we talk about the fact that uh um we are in crisis right and a and it's a crisis of value but there's a crisis of uh just the world is falling apart the nature is it it feels like uh in many instances nature is uh just crying but not just crying it's reacting toward aggressively toward Humanity right back it's a tsunami here it is floods there it is uh fire somewhere else and and and and so all of those crisis is really a very much like your body getting sick perhaps and coughing a lot so that you can change what you eat how you breathe Etc I this is very simplistic but it's really uh H uh more of a symptom of this urgent and important need for us to lift or shift to a different Paradigm to which we're no longer that men perhaps in with a Reptilian Brain right or even a rational brain brain and now we're pushed to become this this new new new

s to lift or shift to a different Paradigm to which we're no longer that men perhaps in with a Reptilian Brain right or even a rational brain brain and now we're pushed to become this this new new new person with a new brain with a new paradigm on on how we live but if we think about it and you mention Mother Earth G right my goodness think about an how uh two only 200 years ago 250 right 250 years ago at the dawn of industrial civilization the indust Revolution where we started to to do this and create that but the residue the the spoils the the the the the the waste from those activities would just poof goes into the ocean into the rivers right and if we have to uh use fossil fields and uh to to to to get the engine going the air now po Ed goes into the air because we had no feeling that we're soiling and I'm using a very uh you know charged word here but we are we're creating all this waste into the world we're not being responsible or even accountable uh our how can I be accountable to my next generation and the generation after that if I do this I continue to do this so it is this this moment that nature says stop we are at a critical point in this sick world that we need to get up and and and stop but it's not just uh carbon emissions is it anay it is not about uh oh now we have a program to recycle those are too narrow it is really all about changing how we go about out living our lives from a very um individualistic competitive afraid right anay this this living all those phobias and and fears to change to this new world can you tell us about what is this new world what what are the the the shifts in our behaviors in thinking and maybe you can have a an example of how we can think about it okay um well when you were talking Mara it came to me three principles that are so so important for these days that we are able to solve this crisis that we are one of them it's of course the spiritist knowledge bring to us uh the concept of reincarnation that I know a lot of

are so so important for these days that we are able to solve this crisis that we are one of them it's of course the spiritist knowledge bring to us uh the concept of reincarnation that I know a lot of people have a different uh different you know time TR trying to understand or even to accept but it's it's so rational if you're going to think of because one life it's too little a time to learn everything that we needed to learn to achieve a spiritual uh evolution of course right so of course we're going to come back to school we go back to school every day right we cannot learn everything in one day and if we think that all religions talk about the so as Eternal part of ourselves so of course if we are Eternal we couldn't be uh learn everything that we can we must learn yeah in one day let's say that one life is one day uh in our Evolution let's say yeah so it would be impossible so the concept of reincarnation has to be more studied and more uh that people should understand more and this we have all beautiful knowledge of spiritism that brings to us and uh also uh other types of religious from uh the Eastern religions and things like that that bring so people have a lot of material to study that and also something that pandemic and you were talking in the beginning about the way that Science And scientists got together to develop the vaccin so what was that Cooper ation yes it was not um you know competition well and it's funny because sorry sorry because I I I just wanted to let us know it's the new paradigm is true collaboration Corporation but the fact if you remember there was a race right is it Mna is it fizer is it uh the the laboratory in China in Russia in Brazil so on so forth so we we don't just become Cooperative like this we are pushed to extremes of um complete annihilation of our world from a Humanity perspective we were at the brink right to push us to to to to Really look together and then the what I saw was the collaboration or Corporation with uh organs and and countries right

d from a Humanity perspective we were at the brink right to push us to to to to Really look together and then the what I saw was the collaboration or Corporation with uh organs and and countries right countries leadership in in different countries to to to to to have access but also not just have a stockpile of vaccines for one country it was really disseminated globally because this was as far as I'm concerned the first truly Global pandemic yeah yeah so that was uh I think the beginning mhm of our learning to cooperate globally that was the beginning because there was a lot of of course um you know Ambitions and a lot of people wanting to get money from of course other people's suffering and all that we know that this Darkness this Shadow it's a collective Shadow and we cannot be naive it's still pretty much active Okay but we with pandemic we had this push let's say the the beginning of Learning to cooperate so the first item you said was reincarnation reincarnation the second was coroporation what was the third and not competition and the third I would say is uh and I heard this it's I'm not creating we never create anything we we are you know we have our intuitions and we have our guides and mentors saying we have with other people's people talking about uh but we say a lot of this in the that psychology young psycholog that the but I heard somebody saying that it's as a spiritual principle because we say that it's a psychological principle that it's all about discernment yes so discernment as a spiritual principle not judgment because we know in the gospels don't judge because we're going to be judge by your own Consciousness in the same way that you judge other people and we know through Joanna and that psychology that this uh uh Jesus was telling us this because of course he knew everything he was so evolved and you know that when we are judging we are projecting yes inner stuff onto others of course we don't know exactly the others we don't know even ourselves

course he knew everything he was so evolved and you know that when we are judging we are projecting yes inner stuff onto others of course we don't know exactly the others we don't know even ourselves correct and and my understanding an is that uh because um uh when we talk about uh overcoming judgment we are also in in that just that one phrase one sentence we're really talking about um somehow eradicating prejudices right and prejudices are nothing more nothing less of uh uh uh putting into boxes what I don't identify for myself the other so the other may be a woman right and and we still see in many different uh geographies and different cultures the uh woman is a a second class uh citizen right but then there's there are racial prejudices there are sexual gender uh etc etc etc there's so many prejudices we bring with us but I love what you said those are just an inan to our projections it's inside of us and we're projecting because there is this external validation of certain elements of illusory as they are of power right an example I'm going to give an example that I'm not but maybe if I am very tall and there's study there's research that talks about if I'm very tall and I'm very slender but muscular healthy if I am I have a deep voice if I speak grammatically really well all of those trades that are just external trades of who you are as a as a human being usually drives at better success in our society today profession speaking than otherwise so in so many words um we we live still with those ideas or idealized uh ways of thinking that this is the most powerful person versus that but it's not right we we know reincarnation and the idea of the immortality of the soul and the evolving nature of our entire Collective self through uh this this new way that is about to happen completely we we should be uh welcoming all of us with equinity and not Prejudice in this case yes Mara because Prejudice are belongs to the ego part of our psych yes and our complexes what is

happen completely we we should be uh welcoming all of us with equinity and not Prejudice in this case yes Mara because Prejudice are belongs to the ego part of our psych yes and our complexes what is repressed in the unconscious so that's why Joanna talks about the um us self-discovery and understanding about ourselves and reaching that point of really talking with the inner voice with the self because in the in the self there is no Prejudice because the self is connected to the spiritual Realms okay in the sense of unity right that we're all part of this one world yeah the anim PL so there would be no point so I'm I'm never a part of anyone it doesn't matter in this life of that we are living if I am this or that culture gender whatever because deep inside of us okay we belong together in a sense that we are all learning we are all really part interrelated and part of a Unity yeah so it's to y silly sorry talking about Prejudice um if we are talking from the self point of view our higher self and that's the point to to try to go you know to to reach another step in our uh Evolution uh when we are closer to this Cosmic um understanding of Life of this com cosic absolutely yeah um we need to uh you know develop this talk of the ego with the self but I I wanted to finish I know we are in the end yes we have so much to talk about maybe we'll talk some more yeah we we we'll talk some more about this because it's it's very dense uh Concepts that I think would like to to break it apart further yeah so I wanted just to finish uh for today at least bringing a sentence by Jonah J that's so beautiful that she says it's the end in in the end of chap chapter one of this book that we are talking about in a poetic image the self that she says young self is our spirit so the self emerges from the darkness uh towards light like a diamond that frees itself from the gross envelope in which it hides to reflect after being polished the brightness of the Stars I think it's so betiful because we are polishing our own

ds light like a diamond that frees itself from the gross envelope in which it hides to reflect after being polished the brightness of the Stars I think it's so betiful because we are polishing our own personal diamond with all this crisis yeah as long as we don't get stuck in our egos and our you know if we understand more about ourselves and Yung and Brazil are going to be all about that because to finish with the start as a good y right because in Brazil Brazil is known as a country that has a you know a lot of uh religious synes we call everybody is interested you know the divine child in a sense that wow I want to learn about this and that and that so Brazil has a lot of religious synes and a cultural diversity and also a high percentage I study and research this of spiritual or what we call anomalous experiences in the general population and also famous mediums as Francisco kid sh and our dear Deval Pera franu that is um psychograph all of Joanna's books so I think it's a wonderful opportunity and we are going to talk more about that and uh you have talked about yung in Brazil but it's going we are going to launch by the end of January this month and it's going to be in Facebook and Instagram so people can look for yung in Brazil and we are going to be there with all and do you have a website name already an uh I'm not going to give today theid the address because it's um we are in the end finishing it yeah so it's under construction Instagram and Facebook in Brazil and then the link for the website is going to be there so before we close I just say you're all invited for this amazing event that will be focusing on um Union psychology but really exploring the the sacred the spiritual uh uh elements of Yung and and his uh scientific approach to to psychology right and uh the fact that is in English that is in Brazil and that is in a beautiful place I think it is just a a a huge opportunity not to be missed but with that anay uh we'll continue our discussion about a sick world and all

in English that is in Brazil and that is in a beautiful place I think it is just a a a huge opportunity not to be missed but with that anay uh we'll continue our discussion about a sick world and all the crisis that are there there's more to come and I appreciate you you being here with me today bye everyone see you next time bye-bye