Ep 2 - Psychology and Spirituality | Psychology with a Soul

foreign good morning good afternoon good evening everyone who is here with us today I would like to welcome you to this psychology and spirituality a discussion based on the works of Joanna de Angela's program we have a treat today with many different individuals representing many different organizations from different parts of the world from an international standpoint we have representatives of the ISC International spiritus Council from Brazil we have Army Brazil which is the spiritist medical association both from the from Brazil from the UK we have representatives from Spirit to Society of pornma and from the U.S not only we have the United States spiritus Federation represented in this work as well as representatives from different centers spiritual centers such as the spiritus group of New York spiritual societal Baltimore Solitude Center for Spiritual Living and many more as you may have known we kicked off our program and we're here to meet with you once again and we'll hear from our esteemed an iPhone 6 who will talk to us about this topic very relevant topic hello honey how are you doing hello I'm fine thank you for those who are you very welcome for those of you who may not know anai I would like to introduce her Fonseca is a psychiatrist and for the past 30 years she has worked in Psychotherapy uh diagnosis and Research into the relationship between spirituality and mental health and I is also a jungian analyst from the union Association of Brazil and she's a member as I mentioned before of the spiritist medical association where she teaches the spiritual psychology of Joanna DeAngelis I am so very happy to have you with us and I and I will give you the floor and after you are finished with your content discussion we'll come back to talk to you with other uh friends who will be with joining us today thank you so much thank you Martha and all it's a pleasure to be here with you discussing this topic so exciting that is the psychology with the soul bringing back the song to

be with joining us today thank you so much thank you Martha and all it's a pleasure to be here with you discussing this topic so exciting that is the psychology with the soul bringing back the song to psychology through the relationship between psychology and spiritus so I would like I would like to read first to you all a dialogue that Carl Gustav young wrote um where he talks with his soul it's in the red book so young says my soul where are you do you hear me I speak I call you are you there I have returned I'm here again I have shaken the of all the lands from my feet and I have come to you after long years of long wandering I have come to you again should I tell you everything I have seen experienced and drunk in or do you not want to hear about all the noise of life and the world but one thing you must know the one thing I have learned is that one must live this life this life is the way the long sought after way to the unfathomable which we call Divine there is no other way all others way ways are false paths I found the right way it led me to you my soul I returned tampered and purified do you still know me give me your hand my almost forgotten soul how warm The Joy at seeing you again you longed this about soul life has led me back to you let us think the life I have lived for all the happy and all the sad hours for every joy and every sadness my soul my journey will continue with you I will wander with you in a sense to my solitude this is a beautiful dialogue that young writes in his active imagination with his soul in his red book and we wonder so I would like to ask you all so we can think together What secrets does our soul keep how to hear it which paths does it show show us so there is an interview that I selected to talk to you today with our great median uh devout the period of Franco about in the year 2000 in New York he gave this interview to Katie Mirra and without doing this interview he says 12 years ago so this was the year 2000 the spirit Joanna G Angeles invited me

f Franco about in the year 2000 in New York he gave this interview to Katie Mirra and without doing this interview he says 12 years ago so this was the year 2000 the spirit Joanna G Angeles invited me to write a series of books that she aspired to be of great use to the spiritist movement for 50 years she had been studying psychoanalysis psychology and psychiatry in the spiritual world and wanted to bridge fourth fourth psychology therefore contemporary or transpersonal psychology as we call today with spiritism in a language compatible with the needs of philosophical thoughts of our time so the father goes on saying that most of us if not all of us have at the core of our being the predisposing factors to our progress and also those factors that are failure in our difficulties and if we don't know these factors we will always be repeating experiences without leaving a vicious cycle so Freud stock talks about Freud talks about this our repeating the same uh psychological pattern neurotic patterns but we can talk more about this so in the end of the interview devaldo also says so the New Perspective that she draws me is to create a mentality capable of not staying only indoctrinal theorems but in behavioral Solutions withdraw the spiritus movement which is in prison in the spirited centers to equate the problems of the creature wherever the creature is carrying the message to change the world through social moral economic change so that was the meaning that the spirit of Jonah jonesless told the valdo about this great project the core of the project and Joanna in her book The conscious being from 1995. she says the conscious being bonds must always work on himself from the starting point of his psychological reality accepting himself as he is and constantly improving himself this Lucidity can only be attained by those who analyze themselves willing to find themselves without a mask without deterioration for this one does not judge or Justify oneself one does not accuse or blame oneself

can only be attained by those who analyze themselves willing to find themselves without a mask without deterioration for this one does not judge or Justify oneself one does not accuse or blame oneself one just discovers oneself so I think we should think very much careful think carefully about this to I will repeat that because I think it's very important that Joanna is saying and the name of the book is the conscious being so she's talking about our Consciousness an expansion of our Consciousness how can we achieve this expansion knowing deeply ourselves right so she calls a Lucidity this Lucidity can only be attained by those who analyze themselves willing to find themselves without a mask our social mask without deterioration so without falling apart without you know rates depression or anxiety for this one does not judge or Justify oneself one does not accuse or blame oneself one just discovers oneself and when I was selecting this sentence I remember what Jesus tells us that what um when he cured gervaldo in this interview he talks about this when Jesus cured people right he used to say do you believe that I can heal you what do you want from me you he used to ask people this kind of questions and Joanna tells the valdo and they reflect that the individual while he does not discover himself uh he's always stumbling through in the shadows he's always wondering because he doesn't know himself right so it's very very important that we understand that we have to look inside mostly for this analysis is and not outside as the world is calling us all the time these days is in itself so devaldo in this interview he wonders about the real belief and he says that the real belief that Jesus was talking about is a yearning that transforms everything because it has the powers to transforms oneself so that's the real belief it's something that comes from within deep within ourselves and it's not found outside of ourselves this yearning this strength this power uh to overcome all the difficulties the

hat's the real belief it's something that comes from within deep within ourselves and it's not found outside of ourselves this yearning this strength this power uh to overcome all the difficulties the problems uh because we find in ourselves this strength strength of the Soul right and uh for instance when Jesus talks about love he said he says love your neighbor as yourself right and we know that around um the fourth Century before Christ in the temple of apollon in the the Oracle of Delphi in ancient Greece used to say exactly what that it was in the in the portal of the Temple of Apollo know yourself and the truth will set you free so we can begin to reflect about uh some knowledge that is arriving to us these days through centuries and in this way that tells us as Joanna is telling us again that we have to know deeply ourselves that this is the way to be free so lots of things for us to discuss and in the book The integral human being from 1990 1990. Joanna says the integral being is a traveler of Eternity look how beautiful the image is the integral being is a traveler of Eternity making his progress step by step in such a way that experiences lived in each carnal Journey established the mechanisms of evolution in reference to the next one providing him with endless development we say that the Revelation is always coming to us because development is endless for the immortal being that we are all the idea we have as Jason Lewis Roberto that has talked to you before uh and that had the idea of this um discourses that we give in spiritist Psychology in the book reflecting the soul from 2011 he says the idea is then to recognize ourselves as immoral Spirits making the Deep path within ourselves in order to conquer this inner Kingdom as Jesus put it to us the kingdom of God is within each one of us so that's what is so important to look inside and not outside and I will repeat because I think this to close the start this reflection together and to close this part uh you know

ithin each one of us so that's what is so important to look inside and not outside and I will repeat because I think this to close the start this reflection together and to close this part uh you know bringing some of this the ideas of Joanna and her psychology and her integration actually of psychology with spiritus Doctrine uh that part that Jung says in his dialogue the one thing that I have learned is that one must live this life this life that's why this life is so precious to this opportunity of growing of growth and of expansion of consciousness is so important to each one of us this life says young the long sought after way to the unfathomable which we call Divine there is no other way all other ways are false I found the right way it led me to you my soul so isn't that beautiful to think that each one of us has a spiritual Mission has a spiritual path of self-discovering and that this path lead us two hours so to who we really are deep inside and not our social messes and to end my thoughts so that our colleagues can come and we can talk and discuss this part I would like to just to give a small idea about uh in Joanna uses a lot of young psychology we call that psychology or complex psychology uh young analytical psychologists Young's analytical psychology because it's going Beyond the personal unconscious like deeper to what all of you already know as the collective unconscious where Jung says is our um ourself because our voice within our Superior being if we want to say like this and so that it's not so complicated we are going to be talking a lot about these terms and and it you all we all see that when we understand and we try to connect with these concepts with our hearts it's much easier than with our mind of course we have to reason and we have to learn new things it's very good for the brain but we also and mainly we have to listen with our heart because the knowledge is there the Kingdom of Heaven is inside each one of us so I would like to just give you a a

it's very good for the brain but we also and mainly we have to listen with our heart because the knowledge is there the Kingdom of Heaven is inside each one of us so I would like to just give you a a small example an analogy of Jung's the way that he imagined the psyche okay it's very simple let's imagine that each one of us is a small Kingdom in in himself herself so in this Kingdom there is a castle and in this Castle there is a gatekeeper and a king with you know his into Hajj let's say with the people there very close to him so to the middle of our life okay our middle age it's like the in our gatekeeper it's doing his job keeping watch deciding who comes in and who goes out and he's just doing his job but he's paying so much attention that he forgot that in his this Castle there is a king okay and it's like in the middle age especially when we already have decided the basic things in our life family uh profession more or less who people see me who I am who I how do I want people to see me so my social mess all of this is pretty much this adaptation to life is pretty much already going on okay so in in middle age it's like the king starts calling the gatekeeper and say okay you have already learned your job and now you have to pay attention to me to what I'm trying to bring to you because I know the past of this Kingdom I know everybody inside this castles in this Castle so I know where we have to go I know where we are we are leading to and the self assumed uh oh you already understand that the king is the self is our higher Consciousness and the gay the gatekeeper is whom is the ego our ego that develops in this life our conscious the center of our personality that develops through adaptation to this life but in the psyche as a whole there is this a deeper voice this deeper consciousness Within very deep the collective unconscious let's say we are going to have a lot of opportunity to discuss this but I just wanted you to imagine that we are not only how we feel and how we feel

usness Within very deep the collective unconscious let's say we are going to have a lot of opportunity to discuss this but I just wanted you to imagine that we are not only how we feel and how we feel ourselves how we think we are that deep within ourselves there is this a higher consciousness our King inside that knows from where we are coming and to where we have to go and with this idea I will um In This Moment uh stop my talk and wait for everybody to join us in the in the reflections awesome thank you thank you we are going to have oh let's say 30 to 40 minutes with our panel today so I am Marcia Trejo fabrices here with us from England in just from the U.S and we're here to talk a little bit and I have so many questions but I want all of us to kind of uh tell us what you think it is and maybe Anna you can uh clarify or not so I start with the beginning right uh you you begin to stop today and are you talking about the the psychology the discipline the psychology with the soul so the the theme soul is is predominant in today's discussion right and you said this is here so we can talk about bringing closer together the relationship between psychology and spiritism right so uh at this point I would like to maybe and I I'm thinking jusara can can can be the first one to talk a little bit about what is spiritism and even later in the interview with with devaldo there is a question of the spiritist movement can you tell us a little bit from your Viewpoint what is spiritism and why is it important for us to be talking about this close closer relationship between psychology and spiritism yes sir Marcia so hi everyone thank you so much and I I think it's wonderful that we are having this opportunity to develop more this idea about psychology and spirituality because when we even when we talk about spirits spiritualism is a is a body of knowledge a body of knowledge that has as aim to lead us actually to uh gain knowledge about ourselves that so far has been very limited uh for starters when we think

ts spiritualism is a is a body of knowledge a body of knowledge that has as aim to lead us actually to uh gain knowledge about ourselves that so far has been very limited uh for starters when we think about you know living just one life wrong this is not it so okay if this is just one point that we we have in terms of understanding our spirituality about our understanding our mortal spirit and I I I think that each time more that I ask this question what is experiences you know uh I know that I know nothing because I I think it opens so many doors to spirituality to us reflecting about the nature of our souls to go into those perennial questions uh from where did I come from to where am I going why what what am I doing here and and in the meantime the reason that we thought about bringing together this study about psychology and spiritualities to to show how much of this is connected because uh uh this is actually one of the main purposes that we find in the spirited which is to get to know yourself to get to know your soul and to analyze your actions and like and I explained you know not letting the gatekeeper in control the King has to be in control I cannot just shelter myself and you know in this beautiful kingdom that is you know in back there in my my unconscious side right and let you know only what it is outside the exterior forms of life to rule my life because this is not who I am so I think when we explore those aspects and uh um like and I said I think we will have so many opportunities to go even deeper in this sense we will get to know more and understand more about the reason that we have this setup of knowledge and just just for those who have no idea what we are talking about it is is everything started here in the U.S with the the spiritual movement that came to life with the fox sisters traveled the world and it gained a body because uh we went beyond phenomenology to go to this to the side of philosophy that's what um the pen name Alan Carter did put all

to life with the fox sisters traveled the world and it gained a body because uh we went beyond phenomenology to go to this to the side of philosophy that's what um the pen name Alan Carter did put all this together and is traveling the world and for the moment is is is a very huge and uh in Brazil also because it has to be working in the aspect of sensibility in the aspect of loving and fraternity as well absolutely thank you Sarah so um Fabricio from England do you have any additional thoughts in terms of what is the spirit is from your point of view yeah sure hello everyone it's a pleasure to be here with all of you thank you for that beauty explanation and it's interesting um when Annie was quoting that conversation that we should be having with our soul and those questions were where are you where have you been and then that make me to reflect on how important is for us to be connect with our soul and then when jasara was saying about spiritism one came what some something that came up in my mind is when we studied the spirits book cardek with the spirit is very uh he put a lot of focus on defining what actually what so is the definition of soul and then we were talking about uh the link between psychology and spiritism and one of the link you can actually bring out on this discussion that's exactly there because kaidak and the spirits was telling us how important for us to understand the definition of soul and then Jung was telling us through Anna he comments um how many of us perhaps is just connected with our own soul like where this where is our soul where is our souls going so the four the link there between psychology and spirituals we can start the discussions exactly that right the importance of us know where is our soul what is our soul where is our soul go where it also has been and that I think is something very interesting for us to reflect on yes yes so uh I'm going to go to anahi next but I wanted to just give a little bit to the audience here so

go where it also has been and that I think is something very interesting for us to reflect on yes yes so uh I'm going to go to anahi next but I wanted to just give a little bit to the audience here so um Fabrizio mentioned Alan cardek who is the cut of fire of spiritism and he um collected uh questions and answers in in in those answers and Sir by Spirits we have that very specific question what is a soul and I believe it says fabric if I'm wrong that the soul is simply our spirit well incarnated doing this Incarnation so uh if if I think of myself my soul is Marcia has a name in this current uh uh existence what does psychology what does Jung say uh specifically what is a soul so just we we move on to to the remainder of this conversation okay so yes young actually he brings back to psychology uh the psyche isn't that strange because psychiatrist Psychotherapy psychotherapist psychologist all has a psyche and um like the myth arrows and psyche so psyche is the soul is the mind right in ancient Greek okay so uh even the brain for the ancient Greek are uh is psyche so but Jung brought back to psychology the third psychic because as a as a psychiatrist that I'm also we study and we we call the mind we always say in the medical field the minds this the mind that so young is this color that brings back the psyche and the so the psych is the soul and it's very important this because and it was uh in observation of his patients this is also story and we can talk later but we say that his empiricist so he was observing his patients but not only the conscious process uh and he was going deeper he was analyzing and paying attention even to the delusions of his patients and and he understood that many images and themes subjects you know that appear in the delusions hallucinations of his patients were very ancient and that many patients didn't even have for instance the culture and knowledge and education to so that we could explain some of the the images of the hallucinations so this is very important

ancient and that many patients didn't even have for instance the culture and knowledge and education to so that we could explain some of the the images of the hallucinations so this is very important because okay so it's not a memory that was forgotten and because the mind is all disconnected in a psychosis then that image appears because it was in the memory in the past memory it was not many many images were not from childhood prison and not from traumas in the past uh they they were simply images from very long ago and even ancient myths okay and so young studying this kind of phenomena he arrives and also dreams because it's called he considered that he probably by the end of his life he had analyzed something like 80 000 wow dreams it's Allah he's the psychology and psychiatrist that has analyzed to this day this all this the most you know the amount of Dreams the biggest amount of dreams so um in the observation of our Dynamic and our income unconscious and also of Consciousness in the you know how the unconscious and our conscious mind relate so through all this study he arrives at this um at the at this point that we all have a common background if we can say that is the collective and conscious and what we call the acted archetypes so ancient forms within deep inside our uh our psyche in the collective unconscious so our soul as Jose was saying it's very old we don't know how how old it is so but we know through young psychology and through Joanna's project of putting together all that we know of psychology of the psyche of the minds okay with the spirit the spirit is knowledge that we are Immortal Souls so we know that what is in the gospels that we are all brothers and sisters or what we are coming from the same source that we call God is truth it's the truth from the psychological point of view okay we are talking now in the second uh through this point of view the psychological point of view so as you said I was saying we know and you are saying um I said that the soul is

ical point of view okay we are talking now in the second uh through this point of view the psychological point of view so as you said I was saying we know and you are saying um I said that the soul is dispute we're incarnated right in the in the in the body of Flesh and using the brain it's not the brain that is producing as many of them out my colleagues still think to this day uh that the brain is producing the so no no no the soul is using the body and is of course is using the brain to manifest itself so I would say that um the soul our psyche is very old we don't know how old um is has a dimension that we call the transpersonal dimension the collective unconscious that is where we are all together our all our heritage is there of the archetypes are the possibilities our individual experiences and are together in deep inside of us so we are really brothers and sisters and we have a common background it doesn't matter different cultures and whatever from the psychological point of view and so the our soul is as Joanna says that the king I'm going to give a spoiler but we are going to be talking about this many many times John is the uh is the scholar the spirit that says that Young's uh steauf is the spirit so our soul is exactly our spirit living in this Dimension this experience and with with an ego I don't know if it's kind of clear or well we're gonna talk some more in the next few months together so I this is a a teaser for everybody if you are as intrigued as I am with all those Concepts that we're we're bringing here we'll have time to to break them down uh each by one each uh every one of them and uh we'll all learn together with many of those what I call my heroes Jung and Joanna and vivaldo but uh I wanted to we have a few more minutes together so let's talk a little bit about uh um the relationship uh there's a Triad here we talked about uh Joanna DeAngelis we talked about uh Carl Jung we talk about divaldo Franco can someone tell me each can you just briefly introduce to

uh um the relationship uh there's a Triad here we talked about uh Joanna DeAngelis we talked about uh Carl Jung we talk about divaldo Franco can someone tell me each can you just briefly introduce to the audience who are each one of them um Marcia it's so amazing because this is exactly what I wanted to talk about because of reflecting on everything that naive was bringing to us and thinking because you know regardless of how much you know about this or how much you study and of course in my case uh psychologists is not necessary it's not exactly my field of expertise but I've been studying a lot I was reflecting about that about even you know um explaining a little bit for the the audience in terms of uh you know this message that and I started bringing um this interview with that was uh was made with divado here in the U.S actually I I I I I know the person that interviewed him very well from that time and um and understanding that devout of the Pereira Franco is a humanitarian and he has been doing so much good to the the world to the and also to the region where he he is he's a spiritist and and has been a disseminator of this concept of the you know spirituality spiritism uh the true throughout the world and um he's the spirit guide is Joanna D'Angelo so when we are mentioning Joanna de angelis we are talking about Spirit but it's not any Spirit as uh naive explained to us even that from the words of the valdo Joanna was um studying to start developing this or to bring about this field and brings Bridges uh psychology and his spirituality for 50 years is not five six seven eight years that we may have here in our universe messages right she was doing that 50 years prior to bringing those Concepts and it's wonderful the way that she she finds someone of course not by chance right like young that has this um broader view of the soul of the psyche like and I explained to to to to to to fill this Gap that is the gap between you know us thinking about ourselves okay I I have this psyche I I I'm much

this um broader view of the soul of the psyche like and I explained to to to to to to fill this Gap that is the gap between you know us thinking about ourselves okay I I have this psyche I I I'm much more but not knowing exactly what we are in terms of the spirituality so she comes from this vase from someone that had already this open mind this understanding about the soul about the returning of the Soul about the experiences of the soul and from this point to bring even more credibility to the work that she is developing as a spirit from you know the spiritual Realm of the spirit life and expanding even more already okay do not limit yourselves to what just you know in your books here on planet Earth there is much more and we can develop even more so the world belongs to the change makers and so when we we get this information when we get this it's not that we are going to accept this as Blind Faith absolutely not that was not the idea of the scholar Professor ipolittles it was always testing everything it was always you know using uh reason faith and in this sense I think it's extraordinary when we think about the this uh Union of Joanna de angelis and young and so that we can um finally start uncovering or lifting the veil that has been part of us for so long so I just wanted to bring you beautiful thank you josada I wanted to just remind everyone that as these Spirit uh guide of divado Franco Jona DeAngelis wrote because we're going to be referencing a lot to the psychological series a series of 16 books that contains the one that we brought here uh I think the integral human being as well is um the other one which is the uh conscience self right I think this is the conscious being I'm so sorry those are referenced and there's many more that were referenced throughout our time together but uh she she wrote with that partnership with develo 16 books but there's thousands of messages that she also brought to us so there is this amazing spirit that brought to us

ghout our time together but uh she she wrote with that partnership with develo 16 books but there's thousands of messages that she also brought to us so there is this amazing spirit that brought to us messages of consolations messages of what I call called this this uh Awakening or just kind of an alarm clock hey come on time to wake up right time to to be aware of all there is and this is my simple way of thinking about it do you want to add something to about either divaldo or Joanna or or Jung um I think well um I'd like to actually ask anahi to um okay expand a little bit more on because she has a referred to the red books by you yes yes and um for for actually for myself and for the audience there's going to be listening to us um because it might be many people might not have heard of the red book or Jung if you could give us a little bit more explanation around the red book and the young kids himself I think it would be very beneficial for us love it thank you thank you so much Fabricio the boss back to you so I strongly suggest that people um I like very much there was a I think it's of course in the YouTube uh a small film uh it's like an Indiana Jones in the temple don't worry something like that when Jung's family when it gives to Solution that's only it's the editor of this British uh scholar that he was given the red book to translate so the red book it's after Young breaks up with Freud everybody knows that around the year in 1913 I think or 1912. um yeah and they um they broke because uh young was actually um studying and developing the concept of the collective and conscience and the archetypes and Freud didn't agree that this was you know was possible he was very his for his goal was the personal unconscious he didn't understand and he didn't thought it was possible to go beyond that something would exist beyond the personal unconscious so when they explained in this you know the friendship and the partnership falls apart what happens that young goes into

ossible to go beyond that something would exist beyond the personal unconscious so when they explained in this you know the friendship and the partnership falls apart what happens that young goes into a crisis because he was very connected to Freud and to the beginning of psychoanalysis and he gets in a point that he never stopped working okay he never stopped seeing patients and writing and studying but he gets you know really Disturbed and a lot of the images and a lot of um a lot of images and a lot of dialogues like this one that I wrote I told you about you know the dialogue with the soul and all of that I started coming from Young's deep unconscious and he would do like we call Active imagination every night more or less every day like 20 minutes 15 minutes and he would pay attention to this uh images and to this stories that were coming from deep within and we say a lot of colleagues say oh he's he was psychotic you know because he was a delusional and hallucinating but to say that he was psychotic he would have to have impaired his sense of the reasoning as you said I was saying the Faith with reason and also his critical uh judgment and he never lost this he'll never lost so to this day young was the only person that I know of that was able to hold so he that his ego was very mature and very strong because he didn't fall apart you know he didn't um he was really in uh integrated or he integrated all this Concepts and images and he observed and was critical of them so to be critical of something that you would say it's an hallucination images and not only critical but he like he said well I'm going to see firsthand what might and what my patience uh feel and and see and what happens to them and beyond that he not only observes and analyzes and lives you know the really feels the and connect to the images but he develops like a psychology that we say psychology with characters because uh we're going to be talking a lot I don't want to give a lot of spots but uh our inner world has a lot of

o the images but he develops like a psychology that we say psychology with characters because uh we're going to be talking a lot I don't want to give a lot of spots but uh our inner world has a lot of people it's not only the king and the Game Keeper I'm not going to say anything more than that but it's very important not for this to us because then he started writing the black books that um the black boots were translated in edited now in the pandemic I think 2021 something like that and also solution the sunny um translated and to English to Portuguese and a lot of other languages and the red book that it's they were together okay so it's uh like a diary but it's not like a diary because he was writing down all these experiences and he was connecting it was a living a living process of self-analysis let's let's say with heart with living not being afraid as you want to say of being with ourselves so he was a very of course evolved so also not in the sense as Joanna and you know but in the sense of to this life to be able to be so strong and to fulfill his mission of not being afraid being brave enough to get to know himself the the beginning of our talk today with um judging of course what was going on but not judging himself in a sense oh I'm crazy I'm not going to go to pay attention to this you have to be very brave to do that and thanks thank God that Jung was able so we have all this wonderful psychology that is together with all the the other um authors that Joanna brings us we have now a language to go deeper in this knowledge of ourselves it's awesome thank you we I believe we only have one time for one more comment so I'm just going to say something and I put it all out there and whoever wants to comment um and it's really at the end of your dialogue where you you were talking about uh those words from um containing the red book by Carl Gustav young and what he said and I'm going to read it to everyone here again um it ends with the give your hand my almost forgotten Soul how warm The Joy

words from um containing the red book by Carl Gustav young and what he said and I'm going to read it to everyone here again um it ends with the give your hand my almost forgotten Soul how warm The Joy it's seeing you again you long disavowed Soul life has led me back to you let us think the life I have lived for all the happy and all the set hours for every joy for every sadness and he ends with my soul my journey should continue with you I will wonder with you in Ascent to my solitude and then you said to us What secrets do our souls keep who would like to talk about this uh this question that Anna he asked us earlier what Secrets do our soul keep our souls keep and maybe why interesting um reflection there and I think that is exactly one of the points that connect uh spirituality and psychology because it's all about us being able to connect with our soul and then the philosophy behind the spiritism is all about us to self-discovery and then um as you say about the quote that Jung just quote there for us is about us rescuing that disconnection that we had from our soul and I think that is exactly what this journey is gonna take us these Reflections this steady group these comments that we are going through is taking us on this journey how to best connect ourselves with our soul beautiful thank you fabrizo love it I have Goosebumps it's just Sarah do you want to add anything I see you're smiling I just think you know there's there's so much for us to talk about so let's leave it for the the following program and um I know we want to uncover everything just today but that it's a journey right we are Travelers right traveler a traveler of Eternity when we cannot tend to uh find out about all of this all of this journey all that we have ahead of us and just a single hour so thank you so mucho and Marsha that that's being a wonderful wonderful conversation and and you know knowledge that we we've been Gathering here today with you guys I just wanted to add something yes thank

k you so mucho and Marsha that that's being a wonderful wonderful conversation and and you know knowledge that we we've been Gathering here today with you guys I just wanted to add something yes thank you that it's very exciting time to be here and to be alive it's I know it's uh sometimes we have to personally deal with the problems uh with fears with disconnection that's what we're so sad of our souls because we are being always called uh outside um and many times we feel like oh but it's so hard and the world is going this way that way but as young says and I love that my wrote talked again about this and that this life is the way to the Divine so leaving this life and being able to be here in a moment that we are going through so many changes and realizing with the spirit is Doctrine and you know all that alongside that brings to us that we have come so far we can we can even say how far each one of us has traveled but we also have you know a road so big ahead so exciting that uh the meaning of all this and this opportunity to be here all of us with everybody that are listening to us and reflecting with us so I know that we are at this point at this moment making our Collective and conscious our experiences brighter bigger and we are doing this together and the road is going to open real really really uh beautifully for each one of us I don't have any doubts about that thank you thank you thank you Sarah Fabrizio and all of you those of you who are watching at this moment thank you for being here with us and let's continue this journey together in the next episodes bye bye foreign