Ep 40 - The Higher Self

hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia D and with me are Dr anai fona J corn goat and and Sinclair welcome back everyone but if this is the first time you're watching this podcast program please note that the psychology in spiritual spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna d'angeles and we're here in a safe space where we can compare correlate and expand our own Concepts that are spiritual spiritual in nature but also bringing a psychological lens and also uh fitting in some insights maybe some actionable tips and uh maybe even some advice to all of us so that we can lead a better life what are we here to talk today in today's episode we will discuss the concept of higher self but what is it well Joanna the Angels calls it by the self capital S it is also refer referred by other people by different names right the divine within or even the superconscious but I'd love to hear more from Dr fona so that we can better understand what is this concept of higher self and why do we even need to talk about it but before we start our conversation I'd like to recognize the organizations that are sponsoring our program and they are Amy Brazil the TV V Mano the international spiritist Council and the United States spiritist Federation I'd like to remind everyone if you like to to hear more from us please hit subscribe if you haven't done so and check us out at www.sirius.com that we can address them today or later and um I'm just thinking about it right as we start to to to begin our conversation today when we talk about higher self there's so many things that come to my mind what is it and what what do you think are we going to be talking about what is the higher self hi hi everybody yeah so um in preparation for this session today I was doing a little bit of background reading because as you know I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist by background I'm just a member of the public and so I was doing a little bit

is session today I was doing a little bit of background reading because as you know I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist by background I'm just a member of the public and so I was doing a little bit of reading trying to get some understanding and I was having some difficulty um but one of the things that comes to mind always as you said at the beginning and if you I refer to the spirits book by Alan cadc where he asked the spirits lots of different questions and in some part uh he asks and them backwards and forwards about the same question and the spirit's answer is you know call things as you wish as long as you are agreed about what you're talking about so it says the words don't matter as long as we have agreed that this word will represent this or that so I think that that would be quite useful for us to establish some um basic understanding of what we're talking about but it's uh partly of the difficulty talking about the higher self is because we're very very familiar with our ego with our daily lives and we identify with that and that's quite straightforward in a way we talk about something that is different to that but is part of the whole I find it a little bit um difficult for me to to get my head around I kind of get a gist but not I can't pin it down at this stage of my Evolution let's put it like that but uh we we progress we move and uh we study we learn we reflect and each time we can go developing a little bit more understanding but maybe anay can help us out a little bit with her expert knowledge yes fair enough anay what do you think can you Enlighten us with this notion of higher self so hello everyone um yeah it's quite uh interesting I myself have the same problem as an because I was um I practice and my practice was uh uh pretty much freuden in my early days so Freud uh Freud talks about the ego the our Consciousness right and personality and uh and so we are used to thinking that we have only uh in at this point until you know we're studying frud that

ys so Freud uh Freud talks about the ego the our Consciousness right and personality and uh and so we are used to thinking that we have only uh in at this point until you know we're studying frud that we have a personality and we have an ego right um and the ego is our Consciousness point okay final final statement right but then comes Yun Al comes Yung and a little bit of um history for you so that I think it make uh will make easier for everybody that uh is um watching us okay to connect with this so a very interesting fact about Yung it's in all his biography and in his autobiog graphy memory dreams Reflections uh that um he recognized in himself two practically opposite personalities uh and each linked to a different times and it was not dissociation okay people was not multiple personalities uh but um it was kind of a insight and it it was in his early um teenage years that he describes uh he used to go walking to his school okay it was in the countryside uh so it would have a Mist in Switzerland early morning and then he said one day he was uh walking to to his school and um he went out of the this mist and then he just had a thought oh I am I am this person here okay and um yeah but um I am this person so the the you know that teenagers have abstract thinking it different from we have already talked about that when we talked about the inner child and childhood ears um so he started think about himself but we know through his uh biography that his grandmother was the first person that would talk about uh two personalities one personality like in this time okay the ego and that was uh when he gets out of the mid and oh I am I am this person then the ego okay we can see that he was reflecting about himself but Yung says also that from early days in his childhood he had this um kind of sense that there was something else okay besides uh this person that is okay and then um we have son Shand that it's a a British scholar that we consider Like yung's official biographer

his um kind of sense that there was something else okay besides uh this person that is okay and then um we have son Shand that it's a a British scholar that we consider Like yung's official biographer okay historian let's say and he says that Yung also had the impression of living in two centuries his whole life you know and he felt a strong Nostalgia for the 18th century his sense of Duality took the form of two altering alternating personalities which uh he numbered personality one and two okay so personality one was the basil boy the Swiss boy who would read novels okay and personality number two was the one who was a a very a solitary person and pursued religious musings in a state of communion so this personality uh inhabited that was a Young's Insight God's world so we can see the person Al ity one would be the ego right our con that Freud studied very well our Consciousness the center Yung says the center of personality the personality that is uh living this time adapting to the world and to uh and also to the world within instincts and all all this the bi our biology our perceptions from the internal and external world and personality too okay that would be um like connected to history okay like like anent and for Yung his personality too was pretty much like uh from the past uh uh from like Middle Ages he had he would look to his shoes when he connected to well this personality to and and see old shoes from 18 or 17th century okay so I would like now if J could and an and you Mara could what do you have so so that we can explain better and talk more about that when we say personality to uh uh being in communion with God's world what do you think about that uh I was thinking while you were talking and I uh how rich it was uh his experience right because he was paying attention right uh I mean he was not someone special of course he was special in his way in everything that he did but ordinary person like all of us we all can go through the same processes of the

ng attention right uh I mean he was not someone special of course he was special in his way in everything that he did but ordinary person like all of us we all can go through the same processes of the mind of paying attention to what is really going going on with us regardless of what situation we are living how you we were brought up and it's interesting as well that you uh you it is is mentioned that uh he came to this realization in the teenager years and even studying Jan the Evangelist and we we are so blessed that uh dealo Franco is a faithful representation enough Joan de angelist here on Earth and managed to bring all this uh intrinsic Concepts that she she describes in her books uh to the letter you know and uh and and so one of the thing that she mentions and she talks about as well is the the the the the childhood years as being the ones that we are still more connected with the life that we were living as a spirit and just in the teenager years during that adolescence phase where many people say oh my God my my my my child is a totally different person yes it is a totally different person and this is one thing that we can see here uh happening to to Yun not in a negative way but like you know all of a sudden he feels himself I am he feels himself complete as a spirit not anymore dissociated by uh you know the the early years that do not allow you know it's more the the abstract thoughts like you said does not allow him to or any child to go through and to dig deeper into experiences into the real being and of course making a parallel very much like here we have you know we miss our childhood ears the the carelessness there was always someone paying attention to us so I could leave not worrying that much and uh and with the real adult life which is uh what is happening here so it's like all of a sudden you know of course it was a sum up of things just the I don't think it just came in a split of a second but where where you add everything and say ah ah I

s happening here so it's like all of a sudden you know of course it was a sum up of things just the I don't think it just came in a split of a second but where where you add everything and say ah ah I am and this is what it is and so I I think it's uh it's so extraordinary the way that he he he mentions that and he talks about it and brings so many Concepts and it's spiritual concept so like uh you were saying here personality too long Longs for the cosmos Longs for a an identity to identify with something greater than just the corporeal uh being and everything that surrounds this corporeal being so I I I I think it's um it's something that uh we can experience in so many different phases of our lives here we are focusing more on this kind of you know the teenager years because it was what happened to to to them but it's like you know the more we advance in years it's like we we peel off some of you know the uh and going through different levels and understanding different levels and I yeah so let's see what Ann or M yeah wants to say talk about yeah what what are your thoughts an on on this whole idea because the first thing when I I first read that real quick here an was what are we talking about dissociative personality disorder and no no if you're listening to us it's not this is very important right the Baseline of this conversation this is not this is really to understand the duality of he experience the dwell that we all find ourselves in but Ann what are your thoughts yeah so it's interesting because if we take like from the perspective of what the spirits have taught us through the the spirit's book we Are Eternal Spirits having a temporary experience in the flesh on Earth with all the possibilities that that gives us so in order to adjust to this life when we when we're born like babies we need to go through the different phases of development of childhood and Adolescence so that we can adjust to the body and we can adjust to the new experience of who our family is

e born like babies we need to go through the different phases of development of childhood and Adolescence so that we can adjust to the body and we can adjust to the new experience of who our family is where we live which country which culture what's going on in the world around us and it's the development of the ego is going to enable us to transition to live on earth and do what we need to do and have our material lives and and and you know get a job or go to school and have a family and do all the normal uh things of of life however that's only half the story and it's because our society is so materialistic we get very caught up in that I mean I speak for myself yeah just generalizing but everything in society is is connecting us to the material aspect of our of our of our journey of our experience on Earth so we sometimes kind of forget that we are eternal spirit but the higher self or the Spirit uh that is that Cosmic being that is having this experience and just messages like almost like you know when somebody sits in the back of the class and they throw a piece of chalk or something like hello I'm here remember me that's how I get it that it's sending a message you're thinking like is this it you know have the job have the progression have the salary have the house have the car have the two kids whatever is this it is this because when you have that feeling is this it what you're saying is I know that this is not it but I don't can't remember what else is it and particular a lot of us have become well I can say like particularly in Europe or in the United Kingdom like the significance of established church they they don't have the same impact culturally as they had in the past but yet as individuals as humans we have this impulse towards spirituality we don't know where to look for it we we wondering what does it mean and you don't doesn't necessarily mean that you have to follow any kind of religion and it's interesting because J says that the pathway back to

where to look for it we we wondering what does it mean and you don't doesn't necessarily mean that you have to follow any kind of religion and it's interesting because J says that the pathway back to ourselves is an equal pathway that is given by religion and by psychology I found really interesting to say like you know if you want to follow a religious pathway you can follow that but if you want to follow a psychological pathway that's also open to you so what is it is coming back to self is like remembering who I am why I'm here and what is that my life is not about building the material which is important to have my material things so I can have time to think about these other things but it's not the ultimate so what ultimate to try to go back and and and say how do I reconnect with this bigger me this higher self who is sending messages to me that is existed since the beginning that carries the memory of all my incarnation prior to this one which thank goodness I don't remember them all because if not I'll be in a jumble of this and that but I am the result of all that progress at this moment so I am what I am like you know I am a you would say and it's not about like you know we live in the time of uh media and influences and image and photoshopping everything around like refining our image to something that's completely false that's not us anymore so we really need to be looking at what is this Essence that we are and uh how can we explore this and what does it mean how how can it change the meaning of Our Lives sorry I spoke too much but yeah that's the you didn't but uh and I before I I I asked you to to take back on this discussion there's a couple of things that you said that uh that I just wanted to to share here and uh because when when we talked about this idea that in the UK or in Europe uh generically speaking the power of church right um is changed through time but still we are thirsting if you will for our religiosity our sense of connection with the Divine more than

K or in Europe uh generically speaking the power of church right um is changed through time but still we are thirsting if you will for our religiosity our sense of connection with the Divine more than ever and the the the picture that comes to my mind is of was walking or traveling through the desert and and and really thirsting for something but we don't even know that is everywhere right it's in the cosmos it's in the Stars it's in the air that we breathe and we see nothing because it's it's a very uh lone um uh path that we're going through if we don't know how to find it so that's the first one and the other thing that you mentioned that I thought was was quite interesting it's it's the idea that uh we we again we we are lost but we we don't know how to reconnect because the the Paradigm that we live through in this this we're talking about 21st century right we're talking about Western Society it is a paradigm of uh no longer what we have but now what do you seem to have so Power by prox uh my my the person the The Legend in the living room if you will the selfie by I don't know the the famous singer the famous uh actor whatever is the most famous person out there with the most clicks and if I simply have a selfie with that person I already become as equally important which is all illusion right the the Paradigm that joanah d'angel speaks quite a lot about the uh being versus seeming right but uh a lot of uh interesting ideas but I really want us to to to dive in into that notion of higher self what are your thoughts anay how can we explain further especially based on what you explain of Yun and this this uh this what could be interpreted as a split personality which is not it's just awareness of the two The Duality the spirit and and um the the material Dimension well I actually I want to connect everything that to all sad the discussion because when an says says that Joanna talks about the ways of connecting to ourselves could be uh into this Cosmic um reality right that it's

want to connect everything that to all sad the discussion because when an says says that Joanna talks about the ways of connecting to ourselves could be uh into this Cosmic um reality right that it's within all of us the Transcendence our capacity of transcendence that it could the paths can be through religion or through psychology and also J talks about um this realization that we are more than just our ego right and you are also bringing all this uh aspects of having and sinning and what do we perceive about the world around us and about ourselves so uh why does Joanna say that um we have these two paths both of them religion or psychology because um so if we are if we know that we are as spir is knowledge bring to us and all through times uh through the centuries a lot of spirits from Spirit uh Spirits Realms come to tell us that we are Immortal beings right so of course our Consciousness cannot be only the ego Consciousness this personality because this personality is De dealing with this reality this present time right and this material world so unfortunately uh a lot still of uh psychiatrist Psych olist psychotherapists uh think that uh the Mind our mind comes from the brain and when you die then everything game over okay so uh but uh we are in a in the Neo era and we know through spirit's knowledge that we are advancing and moving towards an expansion of consciousness so at the same time that a lot of people are still in this materialistic view we know and we can see even in science that there is a a new paradig Paradigm okay a new understanding of reality and it's a spiritual understanding of reality okay and even in in science with the near-death experiences and other anomalous experiences or spiritual experiences death bad Visions a lot of of um experiences like that that scientists and psychiatrists and psychologist are studying so what happens is that psychology until in the beginning okay uh we say that kind of lost the soul and it's kind of strange because it's p col

ientists and psychiatrists and psychologist are studying so what happens is that psychology until in the beginning okay uh we say that kind of lost the soul and it's kind of strange because it's p col so from Psych okay that it's the the goddess Psych so Aros and psych and it is from ancient Greek the soul so we can not lose the soul there would be no point uh okay we have an ego we have a personality number one like to to to say that like Yung says but we are much more than that because uh and we don't have even to we just have to pay attention we don't have to follow for instance any uh religion if we don't want as then was remind us all that Joanna says we can go through psychology because Psychology by definition is the study of the psych of the soul and alanc also right uh talks about the stud psychology in early in the beginning of spirits and all the writings and the the book of spirit uh because we are studying the spirit and the soul is the spirit reincarnated right so we are all studying the same thing and this spirit is an intelligent being of creation right just sat and everybody else so uh we have to if we are studying the spirit and studying the soul we are studying this higher self this div Divine self Divine Consciousness within our um let's say our personality deep inside the unconscious where Yun says is the transpersonal dimension of the unconscious or the collective unconscious as um either way we can talk about that so there deep inside the unconscious you found again thanks God our soul the principle of our soul this higher Consciousness like uh Grand his grandmother had told him personality number two we could say okay uh and Joanna says that this uh self with capital S because another authors use the self as the same as personality okay and Yun says no the self is this higher conscious with deep within our unconscious so uh and this Consciousness this expanded Consciousness is connected to the centes that isn't that wonderful so has all our experiences all our

this higher conscious with deep within our unconscious so uh and this Consciousness this expanded Consciousness is connected to the centes that isn't that wonderful so has all our experiences all our knowledge okay so that's why Jana says that the self y self capital S is the spirit because this Consciousness deep within our unconscious is connected with the centuries has the knowledge all the knowledge all the experiences that our spirit has gone through in this many reincarnations so of course can you imagine the self poor self that it's our our tiny Consciousness because it's tiny people compared to where we have been trapped traving right and there so many experiences that's wonderful to think uh that we are much more than we look like we don't have to worry about celebrities that's so silly because it's only something an image of a tiny part of our Immortal existence and you know sorry about celebri but it's really very silly all of us if we could say can you imagine how many personalities how many experiences uh of pain love sadness happiness being good being bad uh being childish being very wise uh being a person of a religion being a person of no religion this this is so wonderful to think uh that we have been given by the Transcendent one that we call God when however people want to conceive but we have been given this wonderful um development possibilities that we cannot even count uh of knowing a lot of developing ourselves so all of this could not be contained in our egos so our egos are very important because they are doing the tough job in this life of adaptation uh of um also as you guys had of trying to understand and to listen to this much higher Consciousness that is trying to talk to to the ego especially from the middle age our middle age around 3540 and Beyond right so the self will be sending dreams we can talk about dreams that it's great I know J and all of you like yes yes J has done a wonderful um presentation about dreams so talk um so

3540 and Beyond right so the self will be sending dreams we can talk about dreams that it's great I know J and all of you like yes yes J has done a wonderful um presentation about dreams so talk um so the SE the self the higher self tries to talk to the ego to to our smaller Consciousness uh through dreams synchronicities we are going to be talking in the podcast about synchronicities also um spiritual experiences so many ways intuitions so because it's kind of difficult for our ego to to have to perceive to have this conversation with this higher self that is within us yes so I wanted to ask you guys uhuh since Joanna talks a lot and she has wonderful books about uh um the gospel and psychology so and and said uh that remind us that Joanna says oh we can uh choose the path of religion because religions are going to speak directly usually uh to the self in a form of images um sacred text so we will help the self try to communicate with the eagle or through psychology why because we are studying the soul so we are studying ourselves so uh how do think about that is that um strange or it's easier how do you feel I'd love to hear from Jada on that but I just want to let everybody know that uh yes Jada made a beautiful presentation about dreams and we will be back on an episode about dreams later on so be on the lookout for that but just what are your thoughts on on this topic that there are so many things and things that I'm sure like to talk about as well but a while uh sometimes you know it's so amazing how we have to go the extra mile because uh in a way we also talked very lightly about uh the desires of people to be noted next to what we call cele celebrities but it tells us so much I mean not being a psychologist not being from the area as well but it's doing my best to understand and to learn especially from from Dr Anna um I was thinking that you know um when we do that I I think that as a if I were a psychologist or a psychiatrist I would say take a picture with the person that

to learn especially from from Dr Anna um I was thinking that you know um when we do that I I think that as a if I were a psychologist or a psychiatrist I would say take a picture with the person that you you know like more and bring it to me then then we will know who they are you know what is your role model is a super model is a soccer player is a Mother Teresa is a Dev from so it will tell me so much about you and your your desires and how you know you try to mirror them and uh and so I think it it it it's very interesting and even when we talk about dreams because this is a dream like I say oh I dreamed that I could do that which is a different kind of dream but it's a we can use this terminology as well but all the time through uh you know everything that is happening in that we are selecting to our lives talks about us right I was thinking about even even as uh we share the same thing right the Star Trek and next generation and all of those you know uh those movies that talks about the future I I I I I may think about the past and uh but I I'm really so interested in the future of what it is for me to do for me to learn and to discover and being amazed and thinking about Socrates what I know is that I know nothing and I want to understand more and I go I I want to pursue this way and and during our dream state as well is when uh a bit more liberated from the physicality from you know everything that PS us to to you know life on Earth uh I I can't I can't see myself better but uh even when we we return in The Awakening stage and if we do not pay attention even if it's fragments because normally we do not understand everything but it start analyzing that's why I think uh uh both Freud and Yung and of course one of the angelist tells us to pay attention at all the symbols that uh appear in our dreams because they may be you know digging up things that H we need to them to come to the surface at at a certain point and uh and in this in this in this way work for the higher self so it it is

ur dreams because they may be you know digging up things that H we need to them to come to the surface at at a certain point and uh and in this in this in this way work for the higher self so it it is fascinating I mean the the self-discovery journey yes and the last one yes awesome and do you wanted to add anything to to the topic I think this is an amazing discussion here by the way right we could say uh because Ann asked what is the definition inner the higher self is the self with a capital s that represent the spirit right so end of story no there are so much more that we explore here together so I I'm really excited to hear from you as well in yeah and one thing that was crossing my mind yeah just like sh was saying the spirits in the spirits book say that the most important job we have to do in our lives here is to get to know ourselves and how hard that is because we we've built up this image of this ego of this tiny bit of our Eternal being and we thinking that's it and so we have to reframe it as they say and to reframe it you have to have a bit of humility because to get down from the pedestal of the ego and say no this is not it this little bit is not this is just a little bit this is the ego this is consciousness but we've got all this universe of the unconscious H and all the things that went before but in which there are like sometimes people are afraid that they might not there might be things that are not so good that we've done in the past and all this kind of guilt trip kind of thing we have everything as anay was saying the good the bad the beautiful and the Ugly is all there but also we have the unknown the what the potential that we haven't developed as yet so it is just like humbling and it's just like if we just step back our egoo for a moment and let this universe just come into our lives and present itself what might not happen you know it's just when I think of it it just seems amazing and I do feel humbled and I think whoa whoa I just feel like you know I am that

come into our lives and present itself what might not happen you know it's just when I think of it it just seems amazing and I do feel humbled and I think whoa whoa I just feel like you know I am that child at nursery and it's you know this University is coming down and knocking on the door and I just feel that that that that distance but you know we all have uh the possibility to grow and develop at our own speed uh there's no impositions and I think that one of the the great things I've talking about humility but lots of the the the virtues like spoken about from a moral point of view if you go like to the church and things like that or you must be good you must be this you must be that and sometimes you try you try it and you pretending very well but what's going on inside maybe it's not 100% so you say oh yeah congratulations and you go like I hate you I wish I was first you know this kind of so this we get so accustomed to hide our real feelings and just pretend and try to present what is asked of us that we lose track that we actually we sometimes feel like that and that doesn't condemn us that just shows us that we are still there and that we have work to do things to develop discoveries to make about who we truly are and that we are lovable and that we can love ourselves however we are because we are at I always remember this is one J says today you are the Pinnacle of your progression you've never been as progressed as today because progression only goes in One Direction so as you might feel oh I'm not very good you're way better than you ever were before I love it thank you thank you an not be afraid and to be you know to be humble to look at these big questions these big asks awesome an can you drive home we're coming close to our conversation can you drive it home the the Notions that we talked today and how Joanna that was referenced several times today how can she explained to us what is and inner the I'm sorry I keep saying inner self the higher self and uh why

the Notions that we talked today and how Joanna that was referenced several times today how can she explained to us what is and inner the I'm sorry I keep saying inner self the higher self and uh why does it matter why is it important for us to be keenly aware of the notion of The Duality the the person as Yung would say personality one personality two and love both right to as as an mentioned just now to understand what could be considered all of our flaws all the the Dark Secrets the things that we don't even want people to know about ourselves and still we are lovable we are accepted by by this amazing um uh Miss Mercy that is from our Cosmic identity with the Divide well yes let's try to put everything together just uh remembering that I was uh listening to you and remembering that Yung says that the self uh can be defined as an nner guiding Factor okay a psychic factor that guides the the whole process of development of and in this life of the personality so when Joanna says that the aung self concept of the self is the spirit as you were guys were talking about so why is that so so important that she points out that is The Spirit Well then we have a beautiful book all of Janna's books are beautiful but that's encounter with peace and health okay where she says that our spiritual Destiny is the numinous state numinous is the sacred okay so that's our spiritual Destiny and she says that every commitment must be undertaken so that the process of moral and spiritual self-improvement as then was saying okay now it's the best version of myself uh my spirit has won this right to be here with this ego and personality learning more right so and so ran is saying that every commitment must be undertaken so that um the process of moral and spiritual self-improvement takes place without setbacks of Fe or fear in the face of our progress and achievements because she says the search for enlightenment aren't we all looking for enlightenment uh that is the conquest of self Transcendence being much more than

ar in the face of our progress and achievements because she says the search for enlightenment aren't we all looking for enlightenment uh that is the conquest of self Transcendence being much more than uh what we perceive ourselves as being and uh following uh who our divine uh master and friend our Jesus right with all the gospel that he brought to us that it's a wonderful uh to my understand is the best psychological uh book and um and uh well and text ever written right for Humanity that we have such a hard time understanding but it's everything there okay this search the the way the path for enlightenment for expansion of our Consciousness to uh so we need we need to conqu to conquer this self Transcendence this Cosmic Consciousness right um and Janna says this is an imperative of evolution so the law of evolution that it's divine uh is um helping us to follow this path so it's so important to talk about our higher selves because in the end we are talking about this expansion of evolution this this Cosmic understanding of our of our uh path as a Spirits right and of our immortality and this wonderful wonderful um god-given to right uh right that we all have to evolve to live uh each time better um experiences because it's it's a right that we achieved in the search for the Transcendence and with our struggle to understand our souls ourselves our brothers and sisters the law the divine div loss everything that spir is knowledge brings to us in such wonderful uh Spirits as Jal Sho and all and all these wonderful beautiful Spirits from the spiritual Realms that bring as Joanna that bring all this knowledge so it's here and it's not uh you know it's here for the ego okay so the ego is kind of tiny compared to the whole of our personalities that we have experienced but it's such a wonderful um uh right that we have this ego and possibility to evolve and to discover ourselves each time again and each time deeper and deeper so that one day uh we don't have even to reincarnate again but we can

uh right that we have this ego and possibility to evolve and to discover ourselves each time again and each time deeper and deeper so that one day uh we don't have even to reincarnate again but we can leave this for another another discussion especially when we talk about about dreams and synchronicity synchronicity that we are going to be seeing the ways that the higher our higher self so self with the capital S talks to the ego that's great so I hope to see you all pretty soon again absolutely thank you thank you anay thank you and thank you J thank you for being here with us today just as a reference uh if you don't know I think all of you know but uh Joan and Angeles uh spiritual author in collaboration with dealdo as just mentioned earlier today has had a very long standing collaborative path but a lot of what we're referring today is part of what we call the psychological series or the psych the psychology collection that was uh authored by Joanna deangeles in collaboration dealdo Franco and it contains 16 books so I urge all of you if you have yet to to look for them uh to there are many of those books that are published and they're also in a ebook format because they are really a gift to all of us to understand those Concepts that are difficult right difficult but very essential for how we can evolve how we can progress but with that I want to say see you next time and thank you everyone for being with us today bye-bye bye bye