Ep 30 - What can we Learn from a Groundhog About Becoming Perfect?

foreign welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia trajano and with me are my dear friends Dr anayi Fonseca Jose and and Sinclair we come together from three different countries and I'm really happy that we get to meet again but if this is the first time you're watching our podcast slide program please note this program psychology and spirituality has this weekly talks and they're based on the works by Joanna DeAngelis they offered this um what I call the Sacred Space the safe area for us to just talk and by talking confront compare correlate and even expand our Concepts around spirituality from a psychological lens and with that we may have some inside steps and even uh real world advice for all of us to live a better life please note our program is sponsored by four organizations they are Ami Brazil the TV was sold the Camino the U.S spiritus Federation and the international spiritus Council please make sure to take a moment to subscribe if you haven't done so and if you want to check us uh out for more information please do so at spiritus.us I would like to also invite you to put your comments write your thoughts feedback or questions so that we can address them if not now in the future episode but I wanted to to bring us to this interesting concept well in the U.S in Canada there's this tradition that goes back oh late 1800s I I believe it's 1880 something and uh it's all about the groundhog what is the groundhog it's a it's a a rodent like a beaver uh it's about this size right that is really cute and they hibernate during the winter and they go into their Borough and about six weeks before Springtime in this case it goes back to February 2nd and that is called the groundhog day uh so that day February 2nd there is a tradition that is very uh cute here in the US and Canada where everybody goes to see the groundhog leave their Burl Burrows and see if they see their Shadows right there it means that uh the

here is a tradition that is very uh cute here in the US and Canada where everybody goes to see the groundhog leave their Burl Burrows and see if they see their Shadows right there it means that uh the the spring will start early or later I I forget I'm sorry but anyways uh in 1993 there was a very clever and quite intriguing comedic movie with the same title and I understand actually that it is part of the list of a hundred movies that you cannot die without watching them wow so do you mind if we start talking about this this movie and maybe some of the lessons some of the concepts that it brings to us from a psychological and spiritual viewpoints what'd you think I think it's a great movie a great movie and uh when you were talking uh Martha I'm I remember that in the movie they say that the groundhog is the Sears upstairs the prognosticators of prognosticators and if he doesn't see the shadow then it's two more weeks of winter and everybody goes oh and also so there's a lot of symbolism in the film is made by the it's with Bill Murray I love the guy and some guys from the Ghostbusters that it's a very cherished movie in the U.S and all over the world and also so I would like to to add that the groundhog in the movie uh is not there all the symbols of the groundhog yes because the groundhog we can call in psychological terms as a psychopomp that psychopomes are guides of the Soul and that Springtime we all connect with Rebirth of nature right correct so if it doesn't look at the symbolism if he doesn't see his shadow then winter when everything is dormant and everything it's cold it's going it's going to go on for two more weeks and two is also a symbolism of Duality will be in this Duo world but if he sees his shadow we would have been talking about the concept of the Shadows some previous meetings so if he sees the shadow if he faces his own shadow then turn rebirth right so then spring time when everything comes alive again will happen so uh and just to give you some context

previous meetings so if he sees the shadow if he faces his own shadow then turn rebirth right so then spring time when everything comes alive again will happen so uh and just to give you some context and I would love to hear and and just said about that so I got a little bit of the symbolism of the groundhog for you guys and so it says if the groundhog crossed your path as it did with Bill Murray the character okay his character in the movie it is asking you to explore your State of Consciousness more deeply for by doing so you will be able to find answers within yourself you just haven't been digging deep enough to find your own roots this guy so this is a psychopomba a symbolism of the psychopath on the groundhog and also uh just uh one more sentence then I'll give back to you guys so alternatively the groundhog could be warning you that you have crossed someone's boundaries or similarly that someone is crossing yours the best way to resolve this situation is with respect and with the heart okay so I'll give it back to you guys to see the groundhog before we talk about the characters so like to before I go in let me just say after you start talking about it just let us know have you even watched the movie but go ahead just set up yeah I watched a many years ago and not actually looking for the psychological perspective but I I I I think I budgeted it twice for three times because I wow I thought it was really uh symbolic and at least in terms of spirituality but one thing that I was thinking while you were talking Marcia is um in relation to uh try to understand uh even from the physical respect what does that mean that it means at least for us here in the U.S or Canada two more weeks of winter which when you hear about it it's yeah oh my God it's nothing just two weeks no it's not two weeks Winters here can last for nine months right and so two more weeks is really is really not uh we're not looking forward to that it's not just two more weeks we've been dealing with

o it's not two weeks Winters here can last for nine months right and so two more weeks is really is really not uh we're not looking forward to that it's not just two more weeks we've been dealing with that at least for you know uh really happy heavy winter for six months and uh but uh in terms of the the symbolism as well you know I was thinking that being so close to the groundhog and uh acknowledging its presence and all the symbolic meaning that there is in the shadow and being almost there but not there you need more you need more time and yeah it's it's sad in a way but um um we know that it's going to happen it's just a matter of how much more time we will need that's excellent just that if if you don't mind me saying so it's it's uh those things from a material perspective the symbolism oh what does it mean to do to have the courage which is a lesson that Joanna DeAngelis brings over and over and over again the courage and the patience to get to the achievements that we need for this process of individuation but Anne have you seen it and if not I can give you I can give you a quick synopsis go ahead just one thing it's like you know uh very much like in our spiritual process in terms of seeing the light at the end of the tunnel it is there it is going to happen but it depends on you how long you are going to take I mean how much more are you going to prolong this encounter absolutely absolutely I love that uh Ann what are your thoughts yeah so thank you yeah it's I have not seen the movie it's all now on my list to see can I do you want me to to give you a quick synopsis just to pick your interest in a minute let me just okay go ahead I did have some thoughts as I know you were speaking because also the groundhog is not something an animal that we naturally relate to here in the UK but what Spirit do for me and I know for a lot of people Spirits quite often use symbols from nature to help to give spiritual teaching because you can hold on to it and you can develop it so like

UK but what Spirit do for me and I know for a lot of people Spirits quite often use symbols from nature to help to give spiritual teaching because you can hold on to it and you can develop it so like even like the groundhog immediately say oh it's this cute animal but it needs to dig deeper defines its roots it needs to see its Shadows so when you hold that image so I'm quite a visual learner so I hold an image in my mind I can go developing and understanding things better so one of the things that like I really like about this podcast and studying together is that you don't need to be a psychologist in order to understand what the the spiritual energy is bringing in time in terms of psychology to help us on our pathway so we have in the past used various sort of intellectual methods and sometimes more emotional methods she's offering another method to add to this basket of tools that we have available uh to help us navigate our lives and to give meaning for our lives so that we're not just living the life of eating drinking sleeping having babies and then dying that we have a life that has meaning at a deeper level and I love the the image of the groundhog having to go back and dig in because that's what we need to do to ourselves we need to dig into ourselves that we're looking on the outside we sometimes have a lighter life on the outside quite well organized but what about going back inside because that is where we're going to find the true answers to our Eternal questions love it from from that but the movie yet to be seen so if you want to give a little synopsis of the movie if that's going to be relevant going forwards might help people like myself or haven't actually seen it if you're going to refer to it all right so I know you before you go back to talking about the movie in the psychological meaning or some of the teachings of the movie I wanted to tell for anyone who may not have seen it as I said it's a 1993 movie um and and I mentioned right it was done

t the movie in the psychological meaning or some of the teachings of the movie I wanted to tell for anyone who may not have seen it as I said it's a 1993 movie um and and I mentioned right it was done with the the the the crew a lot of the people that made the Ghostbusters but the storyline is is really all about this very cynical uh and we can call him narcissistic you can call him misanthropic I can even talk him as a egotistical arrogant man so he embodies all of that very self-centered uh person uh Bill Murray is the artist that plays Phil and he's a weatherman right so think in terms of his ego he all of his self-importance is the ability to do the weather and he is asked to go to a city and it's a very small town for this ceremony of the groundhog day where they're going to see if the groundhog sees his shadow or not and while he's reluctant and all of it is playing on he the the storyline is about this Loop that he cannot move out of it so every day no matter what he does during the day right he goes back to six in the morning uh February 2nd and he relives over and over and over again so his response to that reliving of the day without any implications or impact to anybody but him as we now find it later is is something that is very puzzling to him but it's very enlightened as we watch the movie so Dr naive go ahead and take the mic and tell you tell us about this movie if you don't mind I love this movie and I love talking to you all uh about this I um I told you I'm kind of a nerd person I love the movies and science fiction and all so I think this movie is a great example of the process that Jung called individuation that it's not about uh us being an individual in in this egocentric thing you know it's not about individualization I think there is this concept also in English but individuation it's about being whole as what I am and jasada was saying they were saying about knowing ourselves and the acceptance and don't being afraid as Marsha said being courageous enough to

but individuation it's about being whole as what I am and jasada was saying they were saying about knowing ourselves and the acceptance and don't being afraid as Marsha said being courageous enough to dig within ourselves and so young in a very simple way here he says the development of personality it's a question of saying yes to oneself of considering oneself as the most important of tasks the most important of being aware of everything one does that's not kind of easy but we have to dig and be persistent so of being aware of everything one does keeping oneself constantly in front of one's eyes in all our adoptive adaptable aspects so being and he says that the goal is not to overcome our personal psychology what does that mean not trying to be perfect right but to become familiar with it familiar with ourselves with the way that we function just as animals saying that Joanna DeAngelis tries to you know to give us these different tools and expand our Consciousness so we won't be afraid anymore of ourselves and if we are not afraid of ourselves we are not afraid of others we don't have to project onto others you know the our shadows right and then we can have Springtime and not and not to go on and on in this winter and this cold and things so this individuation includes a growing knowledge of one's unique psychological reality in yeah including our strengths and limitations because each one of us is unique and then I would love to hear you again especially in terms of reincarnation the concept that the spiritist knowledge brings to all of us that when we reincarnate we are in constant learning and we are evolving our Consciousness are evolving so anything that we haven't learned yet or haven't got exactly right in that previous life we will have this wonderful opportunity of going again through the basic um the basic challenges and learn try to learn again so not being afraid and understanding our unique experiences not only in this life life in this material life of course but uh

in through the basic um the basic challenges and learn try to learn again so not being afraid and understanding our unique experiences not only in this life life in this material life of course but uh in a in a broader way with all the different experiences that our spirit has uh you know it's there deep within our unconscious so we don't have to worry about that because we have according to Joellen a higher Consciousness that it's deep within our unconscious Jung's call the self with capital S okay but we could call our higher self our higher and Joanna says it's our spirit so the way that you know we were talking about the groundhog as a psychopath a guide of the Soul so this higher self okay the our spirit has a way to communicating with the our egos through the symbolisms through experiences synchronicities and spirits and spirits of the Sacred that we have we all have through our lifetime but we have to pay attention as young is saying so the individuation process is this development maturity of the personality the strength of the ego to calm down and to accept this talk that within our soul our higher self okay our spirit is always calling look pay attention to this pay attention to this symbolize pay attention to this thing that it's happening in your life and they are so worried with waking up eating going to work that you are not paying attention like in dreams so all our strengths and limitations right and we if we get we if we put this together and pay really attention and look at ourselves then we can appreciate all of our experiences everything that we are the light that we already have and also what is it still Shadow on us and we according to Jung can appreciate Humanity in general because we are all part brothers and sisters all developing Consciousness together I think this is a beautiful image but I would like to hear more about um so that we can discuss more about the movie it's it's so amazing how much we can learn right from from the movies as well

ether I think this is a beautiful image but I would like to hear more about um so that we can discuss more about the movie it's it's so amazing how much we can learn right from from the movies as well and how inspired many times the directors the writers are when putting someone in how we can look for symbolism uh in in everything right uh and uh in this movie and talking about reincarnation it's very interesting because um like waking up every day at the same time and everything happening the same way the only thing that changed is him his perspective his understanding of Life his understanding of himself because at first he arrives at this small little time Town very positive yeah yeah yeah I mean I am the best I'm going to see you know those natives from this little town you know and um and all of a sudden he starts seeing his behavior um or in relation to everyone and and and so he's giving one opportunity after the next and and when we are going to be talking about that in terms of reincarnation in terms of our contact with the unconscious um you know I really recommend that we use it for our studies this book life challenges and solutions beautifully translated that can explain to us so well uh when um Joanna Diane just puts here young talking and studying The Duality of the soul and the human beings and how this reflects in the in the state of Dreams be bringing the symbolism it usually says the falling agreeing completely uh with the thought of the remarkable researcher of the human Psych uh we would only there propose that in such dream related representations many of the animals and animal characters are the reminiscence the revivals of past lives is stored in the unconscious thanks to the fair Spirit or intermediary body between the spirit and the material body so this remark by Joanna deangel is a very respectful uh places uh um cautiously in this situation where there are more pieces in the board that we know or you know you're you're thinking that you know

o this remark by Joanna deangel is a very respectful uh places uh um cautiously in this situation where there are more pieces in the board that we know or you know you're you're thinking that you know everything that is there but no so here we are not saying that we what we have the achieved in terms of knowledge and like the assistance is remarkable researcher and we know that she was you know the professor of young but there was not in the context The Edge the general acceptance offering pollution and so we're just missing that but we can uh learn a lot from this uh the movie in this situation see very clear what reincarnation means including the fact that sometimes we think that we are going to be so different and uh living completely different experiences no it's about the same until you learn to deal with what you have to do so that's why there are no lips and bounds in terms of this the spiritual progress it is everything up to us absolutely I love it I love it and I just wanted to to address one thing that you said uh reincarnation was not well accepted in the Western World during the time of Carl Gustav young right as just to remind us that in the east in the Eastern philosophies it's it's well accepted but for us uh as we are all uh here speaking in English to this audience most of us are embedded in the western society and it is so difficult to even understand the concept but a movie like many other symbols really helps us understand including what you said there are no Leaps and Bounds he in this case so the character of Bill Murray when he woke up he grew he learned from that one day and by the way before I go to use in in uh did you know that this movie um when they were writing the script they talked about uh how long it's going to be his his Groundhog Day and they're talking about oh it has to be many this is from the the writers I think it has to be many lifetimes like he couldn't achieve what he needed to achieve which is that Enlightenment until perhaps an entire

lking about oh it has to be many this is from the the writers I think it has to be many lifetimes like he couldn't achieve what he needed to achieve which is that Enlightenment until perhaps an entire lifetime if not more which is interesting and then they said well uh what do you think and some of the individuals that were there very pragmatic and very material in their thought processes that oh two weeks right two weeks because we're talking now about aging of the population Etc et cetera Etc and uh and he said no let's let's go in between and let's establish that his learnings are at least about 10 years because as he wakes up that experience of one day which repeats becomes today's all the way to 10 years but it required the desire the will to stop a behavior to become this uh individual looking for his own shadow for his own self-awareness self-discovery but with that and do you want to to comment I I I hijacked the conversation for just a bit uh you know we just learned I mean I learned so much from all of you and just having these conversations and I would like to encourage people to set up you know conversations have a meeting for tea for coffee and yes it's a theme and say let's have a look into theme or let's look at this movie and just sort of raise that conversation because we can all learn from one another it is it's just so amazing but I was thinking and as Jose rightly said you know progress is is not in Leaps and Bounds and it was coming to me the image of a rose and you know when you have uh closed Rose if you want it to open you can't force the petals open you have to wait for the right time it will naturally open and if you keep looking at it it won't make it open faster because it takes the time of nature so our perception of time also is is very interesting as I I have experience in childbirth as a professional and also as a grandmother and mother and in childbirth there is something that's called time distortion so you can spend 10 hours in labor and

ng as I I have experience in childbirth as a professional and also as a grandmother and mother and in childbirth there is something that's called time distortion so you can spend 10 hours in labor and it can seem like half an hour yet 10 minutes might seem like two hours so your time perception becomes distorted just like if you're having a crash so the layer people describe you going in slow motion time goes very slow so this Sensation that we are put up in this world where time is very defined uh it flows because while we're having fun time flies when we're enjoying things time flies when we're bored or angry or whatever time is stuck so we can then start to think about how we're spending our days how does our day does our day fly does our day sort of drag and we can take on meaning to everything in our lives so I was just thinking like in terms of you know we talked about the external and the internal and you know accepting ourselves and the shadow side self of ourselves helps us then to become accepting of others because we we don't expect Perfection from anyone and the fear that we have of being imperfect and just where does this come from because we have all these incarnations we're dragging this this feeling of guilt of the sins of the imperfections and we're trying to hide that away in some way and present our good face while all our sort of negative impulses we're trying to hide them under the rug but actually they're part of us and we need to let them come up and we need to look at them say yes I still have these impulses of impatience of being aggressive when somebody steps on my little toe of and acknowledging it because when you're acknowledging it becomes part of you and that's what I love what Jung says it's not about about us being perfect it's about us being accepting of all our humanity and so if we know that we have a tendency to be aggressive if when the weather's hot or when we're hungry or whatever we take preventative action you know okay just I might be agitated in

our humanity and so if we know that we have a tendency to be aggressive if when the weather's hot or when we're hungry or whatever we take preventative action you know okay just I might be agitated in the situation let me think how I'm going to deal with it and we can start working on ourselves in a positive a loving way and not in a chastising and persecuting way as was in the way of the past so a new way of looking at ourselves and really learning to do that basic thing that Jesus said to us love yourselves how can we love ourselves if we don't know ourselves we need to allow those those parts of ourselves that we are hiding or we are too afraid to look at that they're in the in in the darkness in the shadow that allow them to come forward to us and to embrace them because if we can't Embrace ourselves how can we embrace our neighbors and how can we then make this world into world of love I love this because it's it's a challenge that we can all tackle little by little petal by petal is there's no tractor driving through we just need to go develop this sensitivity towards it and as we progress we go like the image I have like we've got like in the spiral so it's sort of like going a straight line we've got in a spiral and we come back to the same problem here that's in this column but the next time we come up we are like on the floor above and we have a different perspective and the next time someone comes up oh we're slightly up and we started seeing it for a different perspective it doesn't seem so daunting or scary anymore and that's what the experience audience gives us being there I've been here before okay and it's not about saying oh last time I made a mess of it no it's just thinking okay let's tackle this in a slightly different angle this time let's see how that goes uh without Judgment of how we did it before perhaps so those are the thoughts were coming to me thank you love it and naive what are your thoughts now well I will listen to all of you it's

w that goes uh without Judgment of how we did it before perhaps so those are the thoughts were coming to me thank you love it and naive what are your thoughts now well I will listen to all of you it's great um perspectives and complimentary if we can say um but I think when just sign him and also went in are talking about our their thoughts um I think when josada said she was talking about the also the ego and the ego and also Anne and the ego action actually is in the movie The guy when he is in the in the first times that he wakes up and see it's the same day repeating itself we can see him losing control you know he's all uh Vain and all very dressed up and all and then little by little he starts losing control so we can see the ego kind of falling apart in a sense of this loss of lost the loss of control and also about the time that you guys were talking about so this Distortion of time that ends had so um little by little he uh goes out of Chronos the the time of the clock okay of this Duality and he gets into Kairos that it's the the emotional and spiritual time if we could say just to simplify and then of course because he he gets so desperate of the losing this control in the in in the beginning well it's not spoiler alert because uh in the beginning of this process he thinks he is God I don't know if you guys have seen the movie remember the dialogue yes the the lady bleeding lady writes her his romantic partner said oh because he's eating a lot of stuff and drinking coffee and smoking said what are you doing is she's saying something like well because he the the thing is that he had at that point when he loses control and he's not able to get control again and let's not uh forget that he is kind of in love with the lady but he can't acknowledge because he thinks she's like below him because he's so very important and she's just a small producer and this and this and he he didn't want to realize that so uh whatever when he tries to you know to be in control or at least to gain

him because he's so very important and she's just a small producer and this and this and he he didn't want to realize that so uh whatever when he tries to you know to be in control or at least to gain some control and he's not able to he tries to kill himself many many times many men from all different ways and he's oh he always wakes up in the same day doesn't matter what he does so in the beginning when we're talking about reincarnation uh so in the beginning he thinks he's God because okay he tried to kill himself and he was and so when when he eats a lot of stuff and is drinking coffee and smoking said what are you doing so well you know uh this day keeps repeating itself she doesn't believe she thinks he's crazy or whatever has is joking with her and but since I'm I can't kill myself so I think I'm I'm God oh I have years and years of Catholic school and I can tell you you are not and then he says well I don't think I'm D God but I think I'm a guy a God yeah I love it yeah I love it yeah and so uh one thing and you know the impatience and the lack of empathy the it's everything in the movie so first he tries to do when he in it's all about the symbols of reincarnation you are not going to kill yourself you are just going to postpone uh what you have to deal with as Anne and josada were talking about and so let's enjoy this beautiful opportunity that we have to expand our conscience to to learn better to go to the other uh step of the stair right and and in a more conscious way and also I would like to point out in this what Ann said and just had to said that he learns to to get the the lady his romantic part he learned he learns to speak in French yes because uh she is a specialist and 17 or 18th I think 18th century French poetry so uh and I think the guys calculated also how long it would take for a person that doesn't know anything not only to speak in French but to be specialists in French poetry and then he learned the classics like Mozart Beethoven he learns

also how long it would take for a person that doesn't know anything not only to speak in French but to be specialists in French poetry and then he learned the classics like Mozart Beethoven he learns to play piano so how long that would take to a person like him right so that's all about concept and of our Incarnation and of uh like Anne and josado were talking and last but not least he learns how to love okay can I yeah sorry interrupt but I think there's also something very significant that all of you are going to watch the movie May pick up on uh is in addition to learning very intellectual aspects poetry music so and so forth there's something key which is regardless of how he start to control everything he cannot control the death of a homeless man an older man and but he said this is you know he becomes again the ego this is my day I know all the variables so there's something about playing out his fantasies right he he Robs a Bank he he would eat to absurd all of it but he's controlling the variables and he cannot control the death of that man not even a single time right but the fact is he then start to control other accidents uh death potential death and in doing that because an egoic sense of control he develops his empathy I think it's beautiful so she becomes known by the end of the one day because it's repeating and he calculates exactly when a boy falls into the tree and he catches it or when a guy is about to die from uh whatever he's eating and he does the Heimlich maneuver oh I think just out of me have an issue let's wait until she comes back but anyways so uh uh and and the the element of egoic driven element it doesn't matter he still was able to uh to grow and you know through love you're talking about love right grow through his process of individuation when he no longer looked at himself but he started to look at the environment and be of service to be charitable in a way that is Love In Action that's actually just to complement what you're saying myself

he no longer looked at himself but he started to look at the environment and be of service to be charitable in a way that is Love In Action that's actually just to complement what you're saying myself uh he doesn't need in a certain way or he can he's able to look outside of himself present the thing of the other human beings because he has looked for a long long time let's go back to the groundhog he has digged very deeply within himself only when he has done that um and you are you guys are going to see in the movie people that haven't that haven't already seen it only when he is able to dig deep enough in that accept that he as Marta said he doesn't have control he's not the God he doesn't have control when other people are going to die or you know and only when he sees all his impatience his vanity his self-centeredness yes so when he digs deep enough then he is able to really love thy neighbor right because then he's able to understand his limits and to understand where he can help and where he can't because it's out of you know human possibilities and accept acceptance as Ann said is everything about acceptance and also the the I think the bigger challenge in the movie is to understand that you cannot overstep free will that we were talking about in the symbolism of the groundhog you cannot cross other people's path and make them love you you have you have to be with the love that you have for other that frees people that gives people you know this freedom of being what they are not trying to change anyone and just feeling the love that you have for everyone when you do that then the love will come come back to you okay only when he surrenders to the fact that he cannot make her love him right doesn't matter how perfect the day he makes today he's uh she always I don't want to give too many spoilers but it all ends in the same so in the same way so when he realized that he cannot make her love him okay then he goes on to learn French poetry to learn that he

I don't want to give too many spoilers but it all ends in the same so in the same way so when he realized that he cannot make her love him okay then he goes on to learn French poetry to learn that he laughed at this in this in the first time that she saw she thought uh told him that she was a specialist in 18th century French poetry he left in the same in the same time yes yes so what happens when when he surrenders to this that he's not able to make her love him you know pretending that you know something that he you know doesn't care about and then he goes to this um to this learning about himself his possibilities and then he finds joy in learning French poetry he finds joy in learning to play the piano and the composers yes and then he does that because of the joy of the Soul you know because of because he's complete and when he has achieved his individuation then uh he calls her attention and then they vibrate let's say in the same way and then love love comes to both of them I think it's a beautiful way as Zen was saying that to you know love thyself as thy neighbor so um first we have to learn to love ourselves that's individuation in a psychological um in a psychological point of view and then we can learn to love each other and to love Humanity oh right I love it we are coming to an end of our discussion and and uh and and sorry that uh somehow josada had to drop but um I love the fact that we were coming together right and uh and and talking and learning and and uh bringing different perspective but to a subject that is so so complex uh and I'm talking specifically about the individuation process as Carl Gustav Jung uh brought to us and and it's further broken down from a spiritual perspective by The Works of Joanna DeAngelis but in saying that we were here today to talk about what does the Groundhog Day have to do with understanding dividuation and it is about just what you said it's uh the meeting of I'm trying to do it please correct me everyone but the needing of

about what does the Groundhog Day have to do with understanding dividuation and it is about just what you said it's uh the meeting of I'm trying to do it please correct me everyone but the needing of the self capital s that Immortal Spirit who we are in our all of our Essence which includes all the ark the the Heritage right all the the archives that we bring from past experiences including the the uh Collective unconscious or the the many spirits of the time the Zeitgeist of many uh times that we lived right previously so we bring all of that which includes our shadow and meeting our ego that protects this external personas so well crafted so protected right in our structure of igoic structure to protect ourselves we want to be successful and we keep forgetting that we are not what we see we're much more than that so dig in let's go deep in our Burrows uh individually but collectively speaking let's go to into our boroughs and understand and do you have any final questions before we go as well as you no no thank you I think it's it's been a lovely meeting lots of things for me to think about uh during the next few few weeks I think thanks and uh and are you what about you I'll just tell everyone that um to be in harmony uh you know with all our neighbors to be in harmony with ourselves it's all about digging as you said the encourages being you're not afraid of uh of ourselves because it's all within ourselves and this Kingdom of love and light that we all want this peace that we all want to leave win um it's right here right within uh you know it's uh it's not that it's easy actually because we have to struggle a little bit with our egos as the movie uh sad but we have time we have endless time we have we are Immortal Spirits so this is a wonderful gift that it's given to us by the higher power uh um the Transcendent one as we want to call God and let's let's use this beautiful gift and let's enjoy ourselves in the ride right yeah let's do joyful let's be happy and grateful for all this you know

m the Transcendent one as we want to call God and let's let's use this beautiful gift and let's enjoy ourselves in the ride right yeah let's do joyful let's be happy and grateful for all this you know Wonderful opportunities that we have every single one right but with that I want to say thank you thank you both and I will thank josada individually but I want to thank all of you who are here watching this uh this podcast like discussion and I hope to see you in our next episode bye-bye bye-bye foreign