Ep 160 - Anxiety: When the Soul Asks for Realignment

Hi everyone. Hello Yodi. Hope you're doing well. And for all of you who are here with us today, welcome. Welcome to psychology and spirituality, a bridge to a better life discussion. So today we're here to explore what I find it somewhat uncomfortable theme anxiety right and uh when we we we we talk about fear when we talk about anxiety when we talk about pathological levels of anxiety we often look at them as our enemies they're here to destroy us but um I want your opinion Yuri to tell us Are those really our enemy? Or perhaps they are messages from our own self, our soul who are inviting us to perhaps a realignment, perhaps transformation. Well, I'm here everyone with Yudi Castro. He is a a frequent guest and I love Yudi whenever you come so we can talk about topics that may be uh easy or not so easy for a lot of people not for you but how you doing? >> I'm doing great Marcia. Thank you so much for having me as usual. It's always great to be able to participate. >> Awesome. Thank you. So Yudi, I would like to perhaps just uh to to put in the the thought of our minds, right? I would like to perhaps propose a question that uh I believe this question touches so many people even millions of of people, right? uh regarding their sensitivity. Um if I am a an introverted person for example if I I am the the person that is undergoing self uh awareness self-discovery and I am embarking again in a spiritual journey uh my own spiritual awareness and we keep asking ourselves why are those of us who are in that journey often anxious and I just you don't have to answer but I just thought would be something that we can think about is there any correlation or maybe not right just coincidence. Um and and the reason I say that Y it's because uh as you know we we're living in what the you know World Health Organization um calls this anxiety epidemic and uh u I understand that the rates of generalized anxiety disorder panic disorder chronic stress and I say me me on the chronic stress have increased

alth Organization um calls this anxiety epidemic and uh u I understand that the rates of generalized anxiety disorder panic disorder chronic stress and I say me me on the chronic stress have increased dramatically over say the past 10 years. And uh what's important for us to know is not everywhere but anxiety may be treated exclusively as pathology and uh and from that perspective as a disease, right? uh uh the the the the focus becomes let's eliminate, let's suppress, let's medicate, let's perhaps silence. And I'm not advocating not seeking treatment, but I'm wondering if we can embark in a discussion based on Joanna D'Angelus in this case where she points us to the fact that it it may be this signal, right? Uh it may be a cry for help from our inner selves um our souls if we can use that term for I I need to realign look at me. So if we reflect upon Yudi that uh every pain it may not be an illness right and somewhat like this cry for help that some pains I'm talking about any type of pain may be again uh an invitation uh what if likewise anxiety is not always a malfunction of your I don't know your nervous system but a call from your deeper self. So I just wanted to propose we spend our next few minutes together talking through anxiety from many different angles. Maybe psychology, neuroscience, spiritist philosophy, uh ethical spirituality. There's so many different angles. So with that I just point back to you asking it can we start defining what is anxiety really th those are great uh questions Marcia and I think those are very good reflections for us to have because as you mentioned very well those the rates for these disorders these diagnosible uh disorders have spiked over the last decade. truly over the last 20 years but more so over the last decade even more so after like the last five six years and we had something called pandemic that happened in between there that definitely increased people's anxieties in many different ways and I I liked as well that you brought multiple multiple

x years and we had something called pandemic that happened in between there that definitely increased people's anxieties in many different ways and I I liked as well that you brought multiple multiple angles multiple ways of looking at anxiety not only just from let's say a psychopathological perspective or something also that the like you said the spirit almost like spiritualist perspective of the spirit calling for help and as as the title or as the the topic for our talk today when the soul asks for realignment I think that's that's a great one for us to start with when we start to see anxiety first of all as a lot of the times something that is akin to the light of your car flashing red >> it does not mean It's not our enemy that the light is fleshing red. We don't hate the light itself for fleshing red, but that light is telling us that there is something that we must look into. There's something quote unquote wrong with the way the car is at that moment specifically, and that we must look into that. So, a lot of the times when we're trying to destigmatize some types of anxiety or the feeling of being anxious, that's an analogy that I like to use. It's the light of your car flashing red or or something on your computer saying, "Hey, there's a problem here. Uh, we need to address that." And it's a signal. So, I I love that you use that word as well, Marcia. Signal. So, it's the soul signaling. It's the spirit signaling that there is something there that we must at the very very least investigate. Why? Why is this light flashing red? Why is my light f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash f flash fleshing red if I'm having an extreme bout of anxiety what is happening why what's happening right now so I think that's a very good one for us to start with saying that anxiety number one healthy anxiety serves a purpose the same way that fear healthy fear serves a purpose aka survival and anxiety in the same way if we again we're not talking

o start with saying that anxiety number one healthy anxiety serves a purpose the same way that fear healthy fear serves a purpose aka survival and anxiety in the same way if we again we're not talking about the psychopathology behind anxiety we're not talking about extreme cases of anxiety But when when we feel anxious about let's say going going up to someone and talking to someone new or delivering a speech or applying for that new job going on an interview or trying something new etc etc etc we may feel anxiety and that is very very understandable very normal and that just means that we care about it as well. So there's multiple ways of destigmatizing normal levels of anxiety and I just wanted to bring that up first. So people don't think, "Oh my god, I'm anxious. So there's a problem. I I must fight my anxiety at all costs." And then what and then what happens is that people end up fighting also the wrong anxiety. They end up misinterpreting signals from their body and their minds and they pathize everything and that's not always the case. >> And and I just wanted to, you know, add a question to your line of uh uh thinking here. Um, why do we even have to say there's something wrong? Right? And and I'm I'm focusing the word wrong. And it may be just a a automatic response. I look at myself. I see the the right in the car. Uh there is that uh that uh whatever color it may be flashing. Something is wrong. But maybe we could uh I I I love that you're discussing the idea the focus of dstigmatizing the whole process. I feel something. >> Yes. >> I need to pay attention and that something may not be wrong right as in a judgment. It just may need a a redirecting much like uh my my you know I just feel this this discomfort um in my you know my belly. I've been very simplistic here and I go back what did I eat right? What did I do? Just and it's like, oh yeah, I went to this restaurant and I tried new recipe and I asked for extremely hot and I've just been here simple in my example and that

k what did I eat right? What did I do? Just and it's like, oh yeah, I went to this restaurant and I tried new recipe and I asked for extremely hot and I've just been here simple in my example and that uh that spice or that seasoning or whatever really did not agree with me. Simple as that, right? >> Yes. But uh the the focus to let's look at it with almost this detective eye uh to to see and confront and and be very welcoming to quote unquote symptoms of something doesn't feel quite uh normal, right? Then let's look at it. >> The first approach Yes. And the first approach for that, Marcia, is being open and and curious. >> Yeah. Why am I feeling this? Why? What's happening right now that's making me anxious? Why why do I feel this this knot in my stomach? Why do I feel this way? What is truly happening? So when you're open to the experience and you're investigating the experience, you know, you you're going to >> you're going to find a lot of things that's that that will help you not derail the situation because again, a lot of the times when we have that signal of anxiety, we may end up catastrophizing. We may end up taking it to the next level where we make it actually worse. >> Yeah. >> When it's when it wasn't supposed to be that that bad. So being open and and being curious and investigating why why is this going on and again from this question why is this going on and I love that part we can all always go to multiple avenues we can go to the biological avenue the neurocognitive avenue the psychopathological avenue the spiritual avenue why am I anxious about this from a from a spiritual perspective as well and I think that's something that Joanna D'Angelus and all her work >> can help very very much qu anxiety about anxiety if I may. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's a book u and of course uh uh we we referenced uh the book before which I love. It's it's a little tiny book but with joined the angels every book is quite dense. So it could have been much larger but it's quite small. And uh in that book uh

enced uh the book before which I love. It's it's a little tiny book but with joined the angels every book is quite dense. So it could have been much larger but it's quite small. And uh in that book uh unlike her other books that she she really talks a lot about psychology and references to for example Carl Gustav Jung etc etc in that book she doesn't she really references Buddha and Buddhist thinking which is quite remarkable in my opinion. uh plenty is is the book but uh Ian and it's all about suffering right that's the the one book that if you're thinking oh I you know I'm suffering read that book that it it helps understand the the various layers but in one of the chapters I'm thinking at the beginning of the book it it um you know she Joanna introduces Buddhist thinking about suffering and one of the topics is suffering of suffering, right? Which is exactly what you're saying. Anxiety about your anxiety. Yes. It's that that circle or circular way of thinking about that. It's even important to be aware of it and my being anxious about my anxiety. Therefore, I'm becoming more. Right. >> Tell me what is Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. I >> No, I was going to say because you mentioned something that's that's very interesting. I just wanted to point out to the viewers and the listeners cuz uh there's there is a type of of therapy not to be too technical but it's called acceptance and commitment therapy and they have an exercise called the struggle switch or a metaphor called you can people can go on YouTube after this and check it out. It's called the struggle switch, which is basically this idea that sometimes if I'm feeling, let's say, anxious, I'm going to feel anxious about feeling anxious. And then I feel guilty because I'm feeling anxious about feeling anxious. And I feel sad because now I'm guilting about my anxiety, about my anxiety, and it just goes on and on. >> So, it's this the struggle switch. That's what that's what when he said struggling and that's what came to my

ecause now I'm guilting about my anxiety, about my anxiety, and it just goes on and on. >> So, it's this the struggle switch. That's what that's what when he said struggling and that's what came to my mind. The struggle switch is on. So, we make >> and then you can watch the video. It's like a three-minute video, like a little animation metaphor uh that is very helpful therapeutically speaking to turn the struggle switch off so you don't become anxious about the anxiety and then guilt about the anxiety about the knowic and the feelings just pile up. >> Yeah, I love I love that you brought that up. Right. So for all of us uh again in in in the with the goal perhaps of dstigmatize it's important to even see but but but you you say it's not a problem yet. I'm I'm going through that. So uh let us all look into the struggle switch uh uh video. So I'll I'll make sure that I'll do that as well. But uh as we talk about it, can you talk a little bit about what is anxiety? Just you can be as technical as you want. Why why does it even matter for us to to understand in in perhaps different um >> dimensions what what is anxiety? What causes anxiety? >> So so from a very simplistic perspective as well I I'll say that anxiety is this fear about something. So okay so from a very like I said in very simple terms if I am anxious about something is always about something that I have right now and something I'm going to have or something is going to happen or something in the present or future. It's never about the past. Even if I'm anxious about the past is because of a consequence that will happen in my present or in my future. So, let's say if I'm anxious about uh getting fired, it's anxiety about getting fired in the future or getting fired today. If I'm anxious about losing a relationship, if I'm anxious about um I don't know just just getting germs in my hand and becoming sick. That's the becoming sick. So, it's always about the present and the future. It's something that from a

nship, if I'm anxious about um I don't know just just getting germs in my hand and becoming sick. That's the becoming sick. So, it's always about the present and the future. It's something that from a very simple term, we can understand now that there is something that will happen. So I'm I'm afraid of of a consequence or I'm afraid of an outcome that is yet to come. So that's something for us to keep in mind. So if I'm anxious again I gave a few examples but any example you think of it's going to be oh I'm having chest pains I'm I'm not very anxious because I may die future. You understand? So there's always something about the present or the future. It's never about the past. That's I think that's something that can already bring a lot of enlightening uh moments for people to to to realize that there is they're anxious or their anxieties especially those who reach let's say a psychopathological level or clinical level they all have to do with that what is generalized anxiety disorder fear of the something that's going to happen in the future basically about everything. >> Yeah. And what you you're doing about it right? So I don't know if you if you remember you already professionally speaking I am uh and I spend majority of my life in different uh industries but right now I'm in healthcare uh as a project manager program manager as well and it's very interesting because from that perspective any project let's pretend it's a project about building a house or renovating a house right it doesn't matter what but one of the first things that we we do is what we call pre-mortem, meaning before the project dies, what could have gone wrong. >> And throughout the project, uh if it's a a mention that it's going to take three years, five years, we we need to just keep looking at all the um things that could happen. And we call this risk or the unknown. And it's spot on in terms of your um description of anxiety. Fear, this is the emotion, right? It trigger uh the unknown triggers an emotion in uh

t could happen. And we call this risk or the unknown. And it's spot on in terms of your um description of anxiety. Fear, this is the emotion, right? It trigger uh the unknown triggers an emotion in uh my field which is uh we don't talk about emotions but we talk about investments, right? I I I only have a million for that house and things are going wrong. What's going to happen? Am I going to stop construction or whatever? And uh and what we do, we often look into severity of the possibility or the urgency and what are you doing about it. But life is good when it's all material, right? It you're you're talking about uh things that could happen uh that could get in the way of fulfillment, execution project in whatever field that it may be. when we talk about human beings then we get quite >> uh in a in a complex situation right because I keep thinking and and correct me if I'm wrong but um um especially if I reference some of the work by Joanna D'Angelus right anxiety uh is this ah there is something fragmented within myself and by fragmenting I I Think about a bone, right? A solid bone. Even though we know it's not solid, but let's say a a bone, your arm that if there is a fragmentation that bone, it's going to hurt, right? So the fragmentation within yourself uh what are the sources or what are the reasons the root cause of that feeling of fragmentation um so is it a disconnected right I don't feel connected with myself and then again why do why have I become disconnected or or is it some uh from a a I don't know neuroscience perspective, what what is it that's going on with my body that's leading to that that uh carite flashing something right uh Marcia pay attention something is wrong so I just love your thoughts about it >> absolutely and like I mean you mentioned very well Jang talk talks about this this idea of there's there's a fragment mented part there. There's something perhaps missing or something misaligned. >> Um, and if we think about it, I mean, you mentioned it very well. It's the

this this idea of there's there's a fragment mented part there. There's something perhaps missing or something misaligned. >> Um, and if we think about it, I mean, you mentioned it very well. It's the connection. Let's say I may have anxiety. Now, we're bringing more to more to a a a spiritualist or or spiritual perspective. If we think about our connection with God, >> whenever we drift apart or we're feeling disconnected or we're doing things that we know deep down, they do not they they're not the things that we're supposed to be doing. They go against that, you know, that spiritual essence that is progressing towards quote unquote perfection. We will feel anxiety because we are disconnected from our path. We're disconnected from our actual goal. So I think that that's something for us to now start to perhaps think reflect more about Marcia and think why am I anxious right now? What is the disconnect here? Am I am I connected with my purpose here? Am I connected with the things that truly matter or am I connecting with those ephemerous material things that will break that will lose their value that will stay behind? And therefore, subconsciously, I'm already anxious because I know that I'm going to lose them. I know that I'm putting my my my attention, my focus, my energy >> on the wrong things. >> Yeah. So, yeah. And and I'm thinking here it's spiritually speaking it an anxiety or fear that we feel when we perhaps uh she has a great book by the way uh existential conflicts, right? When we feel a conflict in existentially speaking that we're not uh safe, if you will, we are um unsafe because we're not aligned with our own consciousness, which is what you mentioned. Deep down, you know, what's right or wrong, what is your because we we may have different moral compasses in my opinion depending on uh your age, right? depending on your uh culture, your education, um uh what uh it is right and wrong for me that moral compass may not have been the same as when I was perhaps I don't know 15 or

g on uh your age, right? depending on your uh culture, your education, um uh what uh it is right and wrong for me that moral compass may not have been the same as when I was perhaps I don't know 15 or even 25. Right? So there was a a a a shift uh with maturity. But uh it's deep down we know what's right or wrong regardless of the age or culture education and uh at that point there is we are hit with a sense of fear and fear may become I don't know you central to our existence right it's that uh that car flashing light every time I go to the car um the physical body right there's something there and I choose not to look but it's there right it it doesn't yeah it doesn't go away and I wonder if um we can talk a little bit uh or you know as as an example uh discuss what are those fears because they may become irrational or illogical in my current frame of uh of mind. So maybe uh my conscious right my my deep deep sense of who I am I may be afraid that I'm not enough. Simple as that. >> Or or that uh I'm not in control. Uh and we we talk a lot about fear of losing a job. You know, if you're going to get married, fearing that I'm not good enough for my my my spouse or my budding family, there's so much packed in just that, but losing control of how can I be the best or enough or issues about rejection, which is big in a lot of us, right? in a especially absolutely age of being influencing an influencer or being influenced by whatever is the the the fashion of the day uh but then not belonging or being rejected or even my identity. So uh it's it's hard. It's hard. >> It's hard and it's hard and it's also widespread like you said Marcia because if you think about it like who who is not subject to anxiety nowadays? is not subject to a fear of some degree or some sort. Even if, like I was saying, could be one of the reasons that we're, let's say, spiritually speaking, maybe we're a bit disconnected from our purpose, disconnected from from the good spirits, disconnected from God, but it could also

ld be one of the reasons that we're, let's say, spiritually speaking, maybe we're a bit disconnected from our purpose, disconnected from from the good spirits, disconnected from God, but it could also be that we are doing all those things, but we carry with us. We have to remember again still in the on the spiritual perspective here. >> We have had multiple multiple reincarnations. So, we bring a lot of these things deep deep down. And you you were alluding to that deep deep down that if we just were to look with the eyes of the present, with the eyes of this is the only life I've ever had and the only one I I'll ever have. >> Yeah. >> It's going to be hard to explain some phobias. It's going to be hard to explain some irrational fears, some uh extreme bouts of anxiety that somebody has regarding something or someone or a certain situation. So when we open our eyes with a spiritual eyes that is to look at things differently I think we're going to >> that's why I said in the beginning being open to >> the the the the anxiety and understanding trying to understand what it is. So being curious investigating because this fall falls into that as well. Yeah, it's it's very interesting when when we you bring that little thing called uh reincarnation. >> Small detail. Exactly. >> Just a small detail, >> but it speaks so much, right? Uh on especially phobia is a is a great example. Uh I think who was the psychiatrist? Uh he's uh from Florida. Is it Brian Weiss that did really interesting work? Yeah. And uh and it all came really unexpected, right? His book is uh what several decades old now, but he um he was really just treating somebody went into um hypno hypnosis of a phobia and found this entire reference during the hypnosis uh that event that there was a phobia related to a a prior existence. existence. >> Yeah. So I think his book was many lives, many masters, right? >> Many lives, many masters. 1988, I think. >> Oh, so it it's quite uh quite older than what I was thinking. So

existence. existence. >> Yeah. So I think his book was many lives, many masters, right? >> Many lives, many masters. 1988, I think. >> Oh, so it it's quite uh quite older than what I was thinking. So >> couple decades. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's very interesting because then we start seeing a whole new level that he as a psychiatrist, he was not even uh considering, right? I I'm treating the phobia, but what's going on? Um there's an example and this is something funny. Not funny, sorry. Let's put in the proper context. Uh it was surprising, but I spoke to somebody who has uh uh she she lives in London, I believe, and she does best life uh regressions, which is what uh Brian Weiss end up doing, Dr. Weiss uh kept doing. But this woman um uh she she treated somebody. So for anyone who is from Rio, you you know that Rio has many many tunnels. And this person had a phobia about going into a tunnel and reached out, helped me right, with with this person. and uh through past life they found something quite odd about a past life in a tunnel. So I'm not going to I'm not going to say I don't know if there's a patient privilege here but it was just funny how uh not funny surprising how our phobias whatever they may be right the the the big ones the most common ones are fear of what of uh snakes or spiders or or or even driving over bridge etc etc. They usually uh are residue from something that happened that we are not consciously aware today but they signal something deep deep deep down right but uh >> yes absolutely and and we would not be able to explain that >> with just the the biological piece of like this is the one life we've had without ignoring the spiritual piece and that's that's something that >> Dr. wise and so many other physicians end up finding out in their careers >> uh as as you know even Ian Stevenson and all everybody that >> started off like that and and and just they didn't get that exposure they didn't get that sort of understanding in their in their studies

uh as as you know even Ian Stevenson and all everybody that >> started off like that and and and just they didn't get that exposure they didn't get that sort of understanding in their in their studies >> because it's still very much about that so but they find out other things so again that's why I said being open investigating being curious I think these are very good starting points >> for the realignments that we we're talking here in this in the specific episode today, you know. >> Yeah. But if we if we maybe go perhaps deeper into this tension that we go through and emotionally respond to that by something is not quite right or something is wrong with me. And uh and it's very interesting the if we go into the loss of control uh we all want or desire certainty right and uh and the fact is and we're talking about psychologically speaking and spiritually speaking as well uh we are here to evolve to mature to become better And that the road for ev evolution right uh and education and maturity may not be the same road that you would take if you're looking for that certainty that safety. So how can we talk a little bit about uh that the struggle the tug and I'm doing this movement in my hands because I I see this tug of war right on one hand I I want every certainty possible that I have accomplished because my idea of success as a human being is X and on the other we go a different direction. No, we need to try we need to experiment. need to grow. Um right and and uh if we toss in um an age where especially in the western hemisphere um America's Europe for example we have attained a level of wealth today that is uh amazing uh if we go back to our parents or our grandparents or even below generations where uh uncertainty was, do I even have something to eat? Right? All of those expectations uh or necessities are done. We are we are beyond that. But what other um alienating expectations have we been maybe victim to because of uh uh we are fruit of a consumer capitalist type

e expectations uh or necessities are done. We are we are beyond that. But what other um alienating expectations have we been maybe victim to because of uh uh we are fruit of a consumer capitalist type of society, right? >> I think that in most of the world, yes, we don't have that. There are still a lot of countries still struggling with like food food safety and food certainty as well. Uh but let's let's since you know we're we're broadcasting I guess from the United States. Let's take the vast majority of the country here. We we understand that there is um that things are way more certain now in terms of safety for like their own lives and having food available etc than many many decades ago and especially many centuries ago when things were way more uncertain. So why do we feel more why do we still feel anxious? That's the question then like why are we still having all these expectations and I think you you touched on the the crux of the matter here which is this this you know consumerism this idea that I must have more and more and more and accumulate more and more and more but the problem is that I will never reach the more more we always we're always like searching for for that you know in terms of the material way we're always searching for that thing that we'll never have and therefore we we're anxious because we're trying to achieve it but we don't have it. So we feel anxious. We feel fearful and then we work more and more and more and then we develop disorders, we develop chronic stress, we develop these things to try and satisfy something an emptiness that which was also a topic of another one of our talks here. Um trying to fill that emptiness that void with something material when in fact it's not going to be filled like that. So I have the anxiety about trying to control every outcome to try and achieve that and especially nowadays. Let's think about it. What happened in the last 10 years, 20 years? Social media exploded. >> Mhm. >> Nowadays in the internet, everything now

outcome to try and achieve that and especially nowadays. Let's think about it. What happened in the last 10 years, 20 years? Social media exploded. >> Mhm. >> Nowadays in the internet, everything now we have AI even AI now is another topic of that generating a lot of anxiety of you know am I going to have my job tomorrow? Am I going to have my job in five years? How is the society going to be in 10 years when everybody's so AI dependent? what is you know like all these questions >> that are arising which again if you think about it are about the future so anxiety future so about the future >> and that the problem I think Marcia as well is when we we lose track or or or we lose sight of this idea that there is a lot of things that we cannot control. So when we're talking about >> anxiety, we're talking about this need to have more and more to control every aspect and you said I want to I want to have every certainty. Forget about that. That's the first thing I'll say like we're not going to be we're not going to have the certainties that we're looking for uh at least in our shallowly speaking or like superficially speaking we're not going to have all those certainties. Therefore, the first thing is to try and understand that there's a lot of things outside of our control. And we have God that is always always perfect, loving, kind, merciful, and all those things that we sometimes lose faith because we want things to happen in our time, not in God's time. So, now taking a little bit more >> to the spiritual perspective. >> No, and I I love that. Right. So, so the the the three words that come to my mind are faith, right? >> Faith. >> Uh, and the other word would be um mercy, >> right? There is a love, there is a sense of mercy. And uh and if we if we start to to have faith that we are never abandoned, all of that kind of goes away. But maybe um we need to be also gentle with us knowing that >> it's okay to to feel anxious, right? Um it is a a a mechanism of uh where we

that we are never abandoned, all of that kind of goes away. But maybe um we need to be also gentle with us knowing that >> it's okay to to feel anxious, right? Um it is a a a mechanism of uh where we inserted a time this the zeitgeist if you will of our time today. Um you you mentioned uh you know let's say 40 years ago we were talking about uh uh internet and it's it's just nobody really understood the impact of internet in everybody's profession and how indeed it has rendered um obsolete so many different industries or ways of working etc etc Right. Uh then 20 years ago we we have uh the issue of social media and what came as a a great way for us to get in touch with everyone to to to to um create the speed of connection connectivity between people. We're not talking about computer to computer people, right? We're now into this this really and I think that we have reached because AI is not something new right um >> no it's not yeah it's not something but it's becoming ubiquitous now so it's like everywhere everybody there's like all this rush for for companies to like develop the best AI and everybody's using it it's like >> yeah and and it's changing rather even faster than those two other technologies With artificial intelligence, it is for sure that there will be many things that will be obsolete, right? But let's let's think about it and and this is a very personal um aspect here, Yuri. Uh when uh and it it took forever to get to where we are, but uh ebooks, right? electronic books as a as a simple example came to being and became perfected and it became quite agile. What has changed in our lives? Well, I know for sure uh I I have many many many more ebooks today than I have even though I love the physicality of a book. I have you know two to one if not more uh in all my acquisitions written rec recently but it it has pushed me to to read more. This is me as a consumer but me as a producer let's pretend it's much easier for me to write and get published than let's say 20 years ago when it was

recently but it it has pushed me to to read more. This is me as a consumer but me as a producer let's pretend it's much easier for me to write and get published than let's say 20 years ago when it was ebooks was just at its beginning. It's its infasy >> and uh unfortunately the big box type of amazing places or small uh companies of uh bookstores etc. they're phasing out right. You still can access physical books but the the way your appetite if is wetted by by uh books like take a little it's very different and and it's the same way that I feel and I'm very optimistic by the way about AI. It is certain that uh it will render obsolete many activities that we do today. But uh should it matter and if you are one of those impacted right so anxiety about your uh ability to to survive we this is really pushing us to be nimble to have that open investigative mindset of how how do I adapt to this new tool new uh way of working so that uh I do better because if back to the the the industry of uh uh writing books, publishing books and the book reaching your hand, it's not about the physicality of the book. It is about knowledge, right? So it kind of we start to become more abstract in the output of what we do versus the how we go about doing the output. But I digressed big time. Let's let's finish our topic today of of discussion on perhaps more spiritual um and I I'm I'm looking for an idea of hope. If I am feeling anxious, how does that spiritual realignment can provide me with the healing that I am in a position of needing and and even if you don't have chronic but most of us are anxious of some sort of anxiety. Can we talk a little bit about it? How does that spiritual realignment help me as an anxious person? >> Well, first and foremost, it's going to help you in ways that we we sometimes don't even comprehend or don't think about because let's think of prayer. >> Yeah, >> I think prayer is a is a great one for us to >> to talk as as sort of this thing that is at our disposal anytime that we want.

omprehend or don't think about because let's think of prayer. >> Yeah, >> I think prayer is a is a great one for us to >> to talk as as sort of this thing that is at our disposal anytime that we want. This connection is always always there. But we end up losing losing sight of that because we're the frantic type of existence that we have nowadays with everything bombarding us and calling for our attention. We end up forgetting that look there is there is always prayer available to us and not necessarily to make the problems go away. So we we have to talk about that at some point as well about the prayer. But it this idea that it will bring the sense of you know calm calmness even biologically speaking by the way neuroscientists have seen that over and over and over prayer mindfulness meditation. So from biological perspective it's going to bring some sort of calmness from a spiritual perspective even more things than we can actually see in like experiments in labs and things like that. So prayer is a very good one to get started. Like I said, be open, investigate, resort to prayer as well. If you're feeling anxious, if you're feeling very much disconnected, if your soul is flashing that red light as in like the the car example that I gave, the car analogy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Going back to in like praying. So connecting with the divine essence of yourself, connecting with the divine uh divine beings, connecting with the good spirits, connecting in that manner with God, with Jesus. So we can truly truly start to have this more this very helpful habit of the prayer this very helpful practice that can on its own on its own quill a lot of the anxieties that we have. And mind you, I didn't say make the problems go away, >> but quelling the anxiety, the fear, the emotion, that gut reaction, the knot in the stomach. >> Yeah, I I I love it. Um my family is is a very religious family, right? And and uh the the generations that I was very close was my grand my grandparents, right? Grandmother

he knot in the stomach. >> Yeah, I I I love it. Um my family is is a very religious family, right? And and uh the the generations that I was very close was my grand my grandparents, right? Grandmother specifically. And then in turn my mother, father, my my siblings very very religious. Um and prayer uh somehow Yodi has become an adopted uh and a commitment into that adoption of prayer. And we're talking about every night and I and I this is my skeptical side of it. Forgive me for confessing my skepticism, but uh as as I would go to visit them and I would see those ritualized but nightly 30 minutes of praying together and and and to me I would often goes but this is a ritualized it's just I go and I d I follow a pray script but uh all said and done. There's something very magical, if you will, and a bad word choice, but very good to see a a a a group of people, many generations together committed on a on an every night basis that before they go to sleep, they pause. >> Yeah. >> They stop. They pray. They connect with each other. they connect with the divine as you said and I think all of it is is so good to see and it doesn't mean that if I don't do that I I'm not connected but it's something that I had to to really oh wow observe Marcia this is something that as you said Yodi from a um from a perspective of uh uh prayer itself there is biological impacts but there's also that uh spiritual impact it helps a lot. >> Absolutely. >> Anything else? >> Go ahead. Yeah. >> No, I I was going to say I mean prayer I mean where you talked about different things that people can can utilize uh in terms of anxiety but definitely understanding that >> there's way more to just the superficial quote unquote feeling or emotion that we have. There's always something beneath. So my my invitation is no look inward, see what's there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I love it. So let us all look within, right? Let's uh let's uh be very I think with the looking within it's it's also about um realignment from a

look inward, see what's there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I love it. So let us all look within, right? Let's uh let's uh be very I think with the looking within it's it's also about um realignment from a uh I'm not at fault but there's something that is not aligned. Therefore let's look for those uh touch points that we need to to realign. So uh from that perspective, let us not feel that we need to suppress or silence um those uh this desire for something more but let's look at how can we do that and and I'm thinking just before we go uh Yodi that a lot of uh it could be simply obtained and there is a movement right the minimalist movement uh today that focuses on a new aesthetic. So we talk about uh the Nordics for example, they're very minimalist in their furniture, in their decoration and and within the US there is a very strong minimalist uh movement that is quite a while but it's like you know so many pieces of clothing so many of this you don't need more which is an antidote to overconumption. Um but uh maybe we don't need to think about only from aesthetic perspective but that psychological hygiene right how can I simplify life how can I live in the moment you mentioned that already be very mindful and simplify my fears as well and uh and maybe I don't know if I'm I'm thinking is uh you you use the term that I love it catastrophizing the the moment right let's um let's be aware that we may just like if I am uh I know myself with a hypochondric with hypochondric tendencies I need to look twice right on my on my over dramatization of symptoms so let's look into that with the filter of the filter right and trust trust is is is is a uh to for me for us to to really think and trust as in faith faith in the divine, >> right? >> Faith and patience. >> I love it. I love it. >> Which two go hand in hand. >> Yes. Yes. Uh I I I I love that you said that. So I think we are at time and I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you all of you. uh Yori, it's such such a a wonderful thing when we get together for

> Yes. Yes. Uh I I I I love that you said that. So I think we are at time and I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you all of you. uh Yori, it's such such a a wonderful thing when we get together for for these weekly talks and I appreciate uh immensely more than anything else. And I just want to say to all of us, let's just slow down, right? Let's just take a breath and uh and look at everything that we're going through. when we we go through a lot um let's just let's see that what the the emotional turmoil the fears anxiety that we're feeling they are really not our enemies they're helping us to perhaps and I'm I'm just saying perhaps because those are the things that are coming to my mind maybe uh it is time to change direction or if I I need overwhelming sense sense of uh need for control. Let's start releasing that that control, right? Let's heal ourselves by simplifying our lives. Maybe it's a question of uh I don't know Yodi, forgiveness, right? Forgiveness, forgive myself, forgiving the others, trust, how much do I trust myself? How do I do I trust the approach? So that we can have uh indeed um a a sense of calmness of inner peace that is the true outcome of our lives or should be right. Do you have any final questions before we end today? >> No, I think I think we touched a lot on on a lot of good points. So I think that's we we had enough. I feel also out of time. All right. >> I want to thank you again for inviting me, Marcy. And thank you everybody for >> for being here. Right. Yes. For being here because it's all about being present and understanding that we're not there yet, but we're becoming what we want to be. But for all of you, if this is the first time you're here, uh the psychology and spirituality uh program is a weekly conversation and uh as you might have surmised uh our conversations are based on the works by Joanna D'Angelus and I really appreciate you being here. I appreciate our sponsors Manel Cabinho, the United States Spiritist Federation, the

ve surmised uh our conversations are based on the works by Joanna D'Angelus and I really appreciate you being here. I appreciate our sponsors Manel Cabinho, the United States Spiritist Federation, the International Spiritist Council and Ammy Brazil. Thank you everyone. So long