Ep 102 - Ego vs. Self: Navigating the Inner Conflict

hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to Better Life discussion my name is Marcia Tran I'm your host and with me are two very dear friends our program founder jar corn goat and Dr Anna Yona it is always good to have you with me and I absolutely eny enjoy our talks about psychology in spirituality I happen to watch Les Christmas right uh another take on Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol and the movie in this case was Scrooged the 1988 um version which is a modern not so more more but 24 years ago a modern comedic take on Ebenezer Scrooge and just if you haven't heard or seen it it the the movie follows the story of Frank cross who uh Bill Murray in this case who is a cynical and he plays that quite well right a cynical selfish uh television executive that Christmas Story a Christmas car sorry as a Christmas uh story he has those ghosts that haunt him um on Christmas Eve and the Ghost of course as we may know represent his past his present and the future and they teach Frank about the consequences of his actions um the importance to to have compassion to be generous and loving not only on Christmas but all the time and while it is a very dark comedy full of satire a bit slapstick it it brings to us uh another take on the holiday them but you may look at me confused and say Maria what are you talking about well as you may ask me here what are we talking about when I referenced this movie that I saw not so long ago and the episode today which is the psychological dichotomies that exist within us well i' would love to hear especially from you anay and but also from you Jada because Jada was with me last episode talking about the similar topic right and the topic at hand the the this polarity or bipolarity if you think about it um when when we think about it it is really found not only in this classic Christmas story but in many other stories so for if you haven't heard this story is again this very oh egotistical right he he only cares cares about his ratings about prophets and he

in this classic Christmas story but in many other stories so for if you haven't heard this story is again this very oh egotistical right he he only cares cares about his ratings about prophets and he doesn't care if he's hurting other people and um all that he goes through in that couple of hours of that the movie brings to us is um really aligning the the overarching theme that we're talking here when we discuss Joanna d'angeles teachings which are personal growth emotional intelligence and of course mental health one of the things J and an that uh I as I watched the movie and they made a note uh was that the teachings that you can find in in this movie highlight uh for example the long lasting effects of a childhood trauma the importance of self-reflection right um the ideas of cognitive dissonance he there's he doesn't see the world as everybody else around him um the emotional needs that some of us have um the um the thought about emotional regulation or repression um the power of course of redemption and uh as as he redeems himself we we we get to see the impact for example of altruism of social connection and the meaning of life right so my proposal here is can we take it from here and perhaps talk about this bipolar nature of the human psyche and I I say bipolar and I know I'm going to ask you uh Dr na to to speak from your perspective what does joah d'angel is talking about when she says bipolar nature right but the bipolar nature of the human psyche as it is referenced by both Kung and Jonah deangeles and uh it really involves this interplay between the opposing psychological forces within us what am I talking about well reason versus emotion conscious versus unconscious all of our quality versus all of our uh primitive hidden impulses and um an just for your context because I want to to have a question directly to you last episode just S as I mentioned and I talked about this dichotomy but we used the example of the amazing novel Dr Jackal and Mr Hy by

ur context because I want to to have a question directly to you last episode just S as I mentioned and I talked about this dichotomy but we used the example of the amazing novel Dr Jackal and Mr Hy by Robert Lee Stevenson and it is a great book a great story that uh brings to us the duality of human nature and we mentioned in our conversation that U if you think about the real goal of all of our personal go growth and our um energy put in in being psychologically healthy is really in achieving that integration of our opposites right and when we do this we're able to to to get a point of a a holistic integrated uh sense of ourselves and uh and we achieve as a as a result um a sense of balance sense of self-awareness and emotional well-being so I I was thinking putting the two together our last episode uh the the story of Dr Jackal Mr Hyde and Scrooge the movie and I kept thinking that without uh this integration we we live a life of fragmentation that can lead to neurosis emot turmoils so today I thought maybe we could expand our discussion by an NA if you could bring some practical tips for us today and maybe uh tell us what can we do how can we discuss this integration between ego and self can you my question to you can you comment if you've seen the movie right the 1988 movie Scrooge with Bill Murray on how that movie perhaps highlight these issues are there any case studies are there any clinical references that you can bring it to us can you take us on this journey to talk about our Polar Opposites within us wow so let's not overwhelm everyone bring bring it down yeah so much is first of all it's it's great being to be here with you again my dear friends and everybody that is um accompany us with this podcast um watching us have been have been watching us uh but the thing is Mara that it's a coincidence or we could call a synchronicity that some months ago not not far uh not far away in time I have been to London and I've seen in the West End uh display by W beautiful

is Mara that it's a coincidence or we could call a synchronicity that some months ago not not far uh not far away in time I have been to London and I've seen in the West End uh display by W beautiful performance beautiful music and beautiful performance and I was just wondering about that I by the way I love the movie and I love Bill Mur in the movie and all the actors they are really great um and it's F funny but it's a kind of tragic house right in the in the movie but of course um when we go uh directly to Charles Dickens it was in 19th century can you imagine that right and we are in the 21st century and so two centuries apart and it's so up to date you know it's so um you know we are leaving the same thing actually why is that so I think to put everything together I would like to start um invite everyone to uh think about Consciousness uh psychiatrist psychologists neuro uh neurologist neuros psychologists and neuros psychiatrist we are all talking a lot about Consciousness and we have this wonderful light teacher I like to call her uh Joanna jel is um helping us to expand and showing us the way to research in the medical and psychological field about Consciousness and why is that so important because this is mental health this is growth you know so uh one of the things the first things that um we would ask ourselves why do J let's talk about bipolar structure and Yung actually too bipolar structure of our uh know our of our psych yeah as we function in this way um we have been talking here and I invite everyone to go look to other some previous conversations about the ego and the self and let's not forget in the words of Jonah J is not mine words she says that the self is the basic archetype of conscious life I love the way that she puts everything together you know the basic archetype ancient forms right basic archetype of conscious life and we are talking about Consciousness right what is consciousness because we keep saying that we create our reality we are

ow the basic archetype ancient forms right basic archetype of conscious life and we are talking about Consciousness right what is consciousness because we keep saying that we create our reality we are co-creators right everybody is talking about that and about uh Spiritual Awakening and this is byol to Paul polls right yeah because we are some people live a very materialistic uh world world and reality very word with body and being this and that you know and um uh how am I going to eat and drink and do this and that right a lot of instincts and and paying attention to this kind of pleasure and a lot of people each time more people are we can we could say in our culture are Awakening to the spiritual part of ourselves and so where in when we pay attention to the spirits that we are also because we are not we know that we are not only this body right of Flesh and Blood and we know many of my colleagues can disagree with me this is a still an open question but each time more research in the medical field uh field are you know coming to the same point uh and I keep telling everyone go look for beautiful podcasts of near-death experiences for instance right and a lot of uh I myself research anomalous experiences that are spiritual experiences the way that this includes a lot of um like telepathy medians ship and other forms uh of um perceiving our reality and different dimensions of our reality so we are already and for some decades now uh researching with the science that we have today correct that it's uh you know it's much more developed than in two centuries ago that we are remember we are talking about Charles Dickens so he was very intuitive his knowledge was not 21st century with all research and machines that we have to you know to to take pictures let's say of our electromagnetic body and forces because we have this magnetic resonance and a a lot of uh different instruments in the and and machines in the medical field but why do we have all this because we understand this is science we understand

use we have this magnetic resonance and a a lot of uh different instruments in the and and machines in the medical field but why do we have all this because we understand this is science we understand that our body uh the the way more or less that it functions I say more or less because okay we we have some understanding of our DNA um but that now we have epigenetics for instance because we could understand better our genim and our genes and our DNA and all that so um okay because of science two 200 years later let's say from Charles deacons we are arriving at the same at the same understanding that we have um this we we are and I would love to hear jar on that later on we are an intelligent principle right we have Consciousness Jah talks a lot about that we evolve we develop a complexity and uh complex awareness Consciousness dealing with the world and the world dealing with us I mean when I say the world outside or outer reality and we have an inner reality so and can I add just a comment here because uh as you're talking and folks sorry for the disruption here but as as an talks about all of that Extreme Complex structure of human psyche our Humanity in all of this not only tensions between opposites that's the topic today but many other uh issues that she's bringing here to us and how 200 years after for example the publication of this story we're still at arriving at the same right at the same conclusions or the same discussions and the thought comes to my mind and and forgive me for that but it's like we have been so worried and this is a theme that keeps coming to me everywhere which is artificial intelligence right is is artificial intelligence taking over and that machine with machine learning and I I keep thinking no right there's so much still to be learned about who we are that we are just scratching the surface so we just need to keep stay the course and not be so afraid but go ahead carry on and I totally agree with you because people are so worried about that

we are that we are just scratching the surface so we just need to keep stay the course and not be so afraid but go ahead carry on and I totally agree with you because people are so worried about that and let's go back to Janna's teaching she said that okay the self is the basic archetype of conscious life yeah the intelligent principle the sum of all evolutionary experiences the sum of all evolutionary experience so uh everything we can't put in the machine and artificial intelligence is all about that yes uh is learning a lot of things and it's said wow it's going to um to have uh much more intelligence than ours because we it will know a lot of things it will go uh get uh self-aware and all of that um okay because uh this uh we can put in and feed let's say artificial intelligence with um with content with um you know with a lot of things that Humanity has learned but not not with what Joanna is saying the sum of all evolutionary experiences of the spirit so mil we are talking about Millennia of of course millions of years right and our own very very uh individual in this sense uh experiences and the way that the spirit learn not the ego learn it's quite different uh right and um so but at the same time if we are brothers and sisters and coming from this Unity that we call God right we know through the teachings of Joanna Yung and and other authors that we have we share this common let's say um common inheritance that it's our personal uh you know our the trans Dimension uh unconscious let's say the the part of the collective unconscious as Jung said said right called the transpersonal dimension of the pyc where all the archetypes the potentialities the experiences and the evolving of this uh archetypes happen and we share that right so and this is not only about intelligence we say artificial intelligence it's not only about intelligence or even about intelligence questioning itself it's about interaction spiritual interaction the soul it's much more than reasoning than

e we say artificial intelligence it's not only about intelligence or even about intelligence questioning itself it's about interaction spiritual interaction the soul it's much more than reasoning than mind than emotions and feelings it's something and that's going back to awareness to Consciousness our interaction the way that we per perceive and I like very much some colleagues are uh calling attend to right be present too right so um this has to be with Consciousness for many colleagues uh so the way that we perceive that we attend uh that in we we understand and we experience everything put together and the value that it's not only like you know cognitive intelligence but emotional emotional spiritual right and so the moral of course we are talking about moral development and I would love I would love to go back to J also afterwards about this questioning of this evolution of moral and that has to much uh to do with um the development of Consciousness and also um artificial intelligence Mara that you talk because I've heard some people saying okay we you can feed artificial intelligence with all that Humanity has learned but if if you don't put the moral issue you know and when I'm talking moral it's not circum circumstances is not historical or it is everything that the spirit our souls have come in contact that we call spirituality meaning purpose so this is very difficult you know to say that well okay if we can fit this to an artificial at say intelligence we are then we will be pro co-creating life as we can think in in terms of spirituality but to do that we have to learn to do that with ourselves so let's go back because nobody can create only you know the higher intelligence that we call God can create in this sense because this H it's a a complexity that we human beings don't have yet yes okay and I want to add something here um because I'm thinking um right I I I brought up because the the thought process came to my mind was artificial intelligence and as as it

ings don't have yet yes okay and I want to add something here um because I'm thinking um right I I I brought up because the the thought process came to my mind was artificial intelligence and as as it relates to the complexity of human mind and human emotional landscape right and I I'm thinking now and I that uh the anal the analogy of uh maybe what you get with artificial intelligence which is data driven points and conclusions to the multi-dimensional intelligence we're talking about referencing maybe Gardner when he brought up the idea of emotional intelligence social intelligence all the different types of intelligence beyond the cognitive intelligence right so that analogy between a a very datadriven very uh surface level type of intelligence with all the dimen multi-dimension intelligence that Humanity has with it uh with perhaps I don't know if you buy this but um the effort the technology and Health Care um in in creating elements with technology Pharmaceuticals etc for physical health right as it relates to the holistic health that we talk a lot in in this podcast right where the holistic health is beyond the physical health but it it it it it contains emotional health spiritual health mental health and physical health does this make sense the the idea okay go ahead it makes sense so let's go back to Scrooge yes yes because I think it's quite nice the way that you put because people can see 200 years apart yeah when it comes it came to your mind very quickly about um artificial intelligence and we are talking about Charles Dickens yeah in the early I think 1900 right I think it was 1840s yeah yeah something like that uh where he had by intuition right I know the authors and artists and uh uh everybody that deals with music friends musicians they all talk a lot of something information coming through them not from them but through them so uh then we are talking about this transpersonal Dimension beyond the ego yeah in in a certain way in a deeper level right but it's present

rmation coming through them not from them but through them so uh then we are talking about this transpersonal Dimension beyond the ego yeah in in a certain way in a deeper level right but it's present so if we talk about Charles Dickens then remember everyone that um uh the the main character had to face three ghosts from the past Christmas the present and the future right and um I think this is wonderful wonderful the way that Charles Dickens put the ghost what what's that because for us a ghost is something ethereal right you cannot such you but you can interact so look at the symbolism right and we when when we are talking about symbolism there's no way artificial intelligence can it will imitate let's say or copy or something but symbols come from within the psych from the deepest part of the psych from the self from our Spirit as Janna say said the basic archetype of conscious life right uh so what happens that uh the main character has to deal with uh Spirits let's say it's not actually spirit's ghost yeah because it's more symbolic yeah it's more psychological and it's a construct of his mind right it's a con of his own a projection of something that of course we can we know um studying and thinking about Janna's teachings and Yung that it's uh it comes from the self from the his higher self uh trying to reach the ego and help the ego you were talking the beginning to integrate yeah the knowledge that what the experience his experience in this life was leading him towards towards what because we know from the ghost of the the past spoiler spoiler alert pleas people but of course so two 200 years spoiler alert but of course then uh the the ghost from the past Christmas was uh showing him that very frighten uh issues of trauma was from his childhood right that um could explain we know that some of his um character traits the way he was dealing with life in the present but I think that's wonderful because it's a you know um from what we know Psychotherapy and Analysis haven't

e know that some of his um character traits the way he was dealing with life in the present but I think that's wonderful because it's a you know um from what we know Psychotherapy and Analysis haven't even been uh in created by Freud so Char well Charles Dickens was uh giving us what in the future would be Psychotherapy analysis and all all of that because we of course have to understand our inner child our traumas childhood traumas and things like that father and mother the inner complexes but we cannot get stuck in there because then we are not going to integrate and understand so the the ghost of the present Christmas was showing him everything that he was missing in a sense of perceiving having difficulty to understanding his present and The Ghost and I I love how the ghost of the present yeah picking him on the face because you know it's like sometimes you know life do prepares to us the same thing you know there are so many things that is they are hitting Us in the face like you know look at it pay attention so it's it's kind of symbolic I think that she keeps on pitting him on the face you know slapping him to look pay attention to the situation that is happening around you now and you're not even seeing so hello back to the com the the the the the movie right that Mara said she's like a fairy right and punching him all the time and slipstick right the slipstick nature of this comedy but I love what you said just it's slaps in the face which can be uh grotesque some people what's going on with this gratuitous um violence but it's not it's exactly what you said it is wake up and we all especially now that we are so distracted in life uh we need to wake up to to to pay attention as you said J exactly I think that's great it's exactly that and to pay attention to be present because this is awareness and this is integrating the different um parts of ourselves as Marsha was saying the beginning this polarities because when Joanna talks about B polar structure of

be present because this is awareness and this is integrating the different um parts of ourselves as Marsha was saying the beginning this polarities because when Joanna talks about B polar structure of the human being it's not the the psychiatric disease that she's referring to it's not manic depressive States or things like that it's really the opposite opposite forces let's say of our psych inside of us and Yung says that when something it's uh in our Consciousness in the ego Consciousness the ego gets very unilateral he's looking to wordss only one D Direction so the self comes or in the of course the self is in the the controlling all of our experience psychic experience but uh what Yung wants to say is that from our unconscious the opposite force will come you know and then we will have a conflict and then if we don't pay attention to this opposing forces let's say then then we have symptoms and we have neurosis and we have uh psychiatric disorders so it's really really important and I think this this uh synchronicity let's say that you uh watch the movies and that I had just uh some couple of weeks or months ago seen the play uh beautiful performance in in the West End uh but exactly what the ghosts are trying to tell him is that if he doesn't pay attention to this forces that are uh kind of making it hard for him to develop conscious in this experience you know because to be present in this EX in this LIF span let's say in this experience then comes the ghost of the future uh Christmas um another spoiler alert that we can we can also think symbolically about death because people are so afraid of dying that's right and we get so desperate oh when this life terminates or whatever that I don't pay attention to the death that comes in this life you know symbolic death of all the POS potentialities all the beautiful choices that I can if as just said says that pay attention to my the ghost of my present Christmas that is slaping my face and in the the way that I can choose different

tentialities all the beautiful choices that I can if as just said says that pay attention to my the ghost of my present Christmas that is slaping my face and in the the way that I can choose different aspects but now just started please and and I also wanted to ask you take this this opportunity just because uh wanted you to perhaps tell the audience uh the the the book that you just wrote and just got published on um personal transformation and if you could perhaps provide us using the this the topic of the movie that we brought about on what is the power of a personal transformation that power Redemption that uh that is displayed because of course the story is in one day we transform and we all know that it takes longer to that what are your thoughts just and can you give your the title of your book as well to everyone yeah the inner transformation that we just released in it's in United States spiritist uh Federation website and also at Amazon uh because this is obviously a topic that is very much in my mind and I think when we are talking about here referring to this um knowledge that uh is brought to us by uh science Psychotherapy psychiatrist psychologist andan deangel so uh it's it's very important but I you know to start putting all together I was that I'm going to be talking about Buddha and Buddha he has the he brings to us there is a a parable that they say they say the parable of the raft where uh he was with his disciples and he asked his disciples to imagine a man who builts a raft to cross a river and once he he reaches the other side he continues to carry the raft on his back even though he knows that it's no longer needed so this is exactly what we've been doing and this is what what we see in general as human being doing you know we get we got so distracted by what is around like you know this man got so distracted by the W that probably he was thinking about you know I have to fix this and and this part or this side or because it got into the river maybe damage it it

und like you know this man got so distracted by the W that probably he was thinking about you know I have to fix this and and this part or this side or because it got into the river maybe damage it it affect something how can I make it more powerful or so we we got so involved with uh science and technology and here is not a criticism it's great that we are doing that but we are not only that we are not the ref the ref in the story just sered as a tool an instrument for us to be able to you know to get to the point where we need it to be right in this case to cross a river so once we're there and here in the movie we it doesn't show that clear because like you said Mia uh it's just you know it portrays everything as it happened in just one day but what actually triggered him to get into this Voyage through all of these meetings with the past the present and the future in the first place so let's take a guess here perhaps you know the the sentiment the atmosphere that was all around and he questioning himself you know why people give so much importance to that and I think there's there is for us for all of us there will be a moment that is going to be this trigger yeah where we will have or we will feel the need to confront the past and uh and it may be with a lot of pain right in in some cases it comes with a lot of pain but we should all be very welcoming into those moment of friction that triggers that right Jada yes I mean there there are so in so many cultures they have so many you know uh Parables that can portray that for instance there on there is one of room is that he talked about the chick be where the chick be representing the ego is in a boiling process but complaining with uh you know the one that is boiling him and then he says the cook replies you know to him you were raw and bitter now you're going to become soft and switch Yeah so from raw and bitter which is what see in the movie now we we'll see soft and sweeter but what happened in the process he had to go through a

d bitter now you're going to become soft and switch Yeah so from raw and bitter which is what see in the movie now we we'll see soft and sweeter but what happened in the process he had to go through a boiling process what is you say there it is not without any kind of confrontation with oneself and what we see that and what we see in the movie and what we see in as in this process of inner transformation is that you know unless we we really you know there will come a point that whether we want it or not something is going to trigger that and something will lead you to confront your past and in this case you know being uh a reincarnationist right I mean being a spiritist of course we are going to talk about many previous lives and there is so much store data in us right much that it is in us but I think you know like uh uh What uh it I think it's really awesome is like an mentioned you know we're talking here about a a book that was written in the mid 19th century uh last time we talked about a book that was also written in the mid 19th century there was no knowledge whatsoever about that but what we see is that and and this is one thing that we even find in The Gospel According to spiritism comment from spiritist that say we are progressing a lot in terms of science and uh technology all of that the material field but if we look at ourselves as human beings I dare to say that we even was uh we were not even possible for us to catch up with the 15 Century correct Century you know there was not too much change but now is the time now we have so much tools we have so much understanding we have all this science and spirituality that can guide us in this way and so we can go into a geometrical progression because we have been you know in just an arithmetic progression one by one uh each time but not anymore with all of this that we have our at our disposal and this is I think what's very interesting about the the book the movie that leads you to think and and rethink your life and your

me but not anymore with all of this that we have our at our disposal and this is I think what's very interesting about the the book the movie that leads you to think and and rethink your life and your behavior and whether you are being sensitive or not towards you and others this is amazing so just to to wrap it up right we we made so many different references when we came here to talk about the the need for an integrated being right uh that's our path toward individuation and how I I love that both of you are highlighting the fact that uh uh even though psychology the feud of Psychology was not even created officially there are different individuals in fiction in one case Charles Dickens With A Christmas Carol on the other case um uh um Stevenson talking about Dr uh Dr Jack Mr Hyde bring in the topic of The Duality or bipolarity as uh uh Jung and Joan d'angeles references this this Polar Opposites of who we are right the the attempt to be something and and the Deep unconscious bringing the other the self right bringing the other side of we are and how that conflict that exists really is going to lead to something else which I I love it uh just SED that you reference both roomie roomy is an amazing uh Middle Eastern Persian right um um author from the 13th century he he has a beautiful writings um recently and I when I say recently about 50 years ago we starting get in the west many um of his translated work to us but also Buddha with the story of the chick be by Ruby or the rft right by by Buddha in all of it are questions for us to to perhaps be present um to be mindful to be compassionate to not be afraid in essence to uh technology technological advances are a gift to humanity including artificial intelligence but uh they will not substitute our humanity and incredible complexity that's still incipient to us from a scientific perspective right and I you you mention uh neuroscientists neurolinguists neuro psychiatrists there's so many um different disciplines today looking at

y that's still incipient to us from a scientific perspective right and I you you mention uh neuroscientists neurolinguists neuro psychiatrists there's so many um different disciplines today looking at the the the very complex nature of who we are so from here I just say wanted to to maybe just just do a an invitation for both of you to to say what are some of the Practical tips that we can have from today's discussion of our very you know dual bipolar type of psyche that we have uh well um we know that and we have been talking here that uh in psycholog Al we say that um we get we get out of a neurotic attitude when we integrate when we accept the other pole let's say the other um psychological aspect that is in the unconscious that's why we the struggle it's to become conscious of our unconscious asp ects that are involved in the conflict okay in a in a very simple way let's say um it's of course complex but so all the meditation visualization that also Joanna uh invites us to do uh self analysis and also when we go look for therapy or something like that it's the struggle to be in contact with ourselves and I was listening to the by the way I want to read your book I'm going to look at it in the Amazon so um because it's so important this topic you know to discuss to go deeper to read people talking about that with all the knowledge for J has so the thing is that um it remind me just when I was listening to you uh what just Joanna says that she says that external evolution is easier to acquire comp compared to Inner Evolution and it's all because of you know the ego protects itself so much and so it is really a struggle to and we have to work in our egos to you know to be more mature more uh we not without so much fear of ourselves because of course we project we know that that we project onto others everything that we run from inside of us right that's we have so many enemies and we have so um so much aggressiveness in the world today why is that uh we know there are so many nice and good people

everything that we run from inside of us right that's we have so many enemies and we have so um so much aggressiveness in the world today why is that uh we know there are so many nice and good people in the world so why is everybody buying all the time that somebody else or some other people from other na Nation are our enemies because this is all projection so people are very manipulated by you know whoever is in the power and in control because oh we have to fight those because they are enemies they want this and that and so psychologically this shows uh that we are still very immature because we are very easily manipulated uh in I mean you know societies different societies all around the world because otherwise we wouldn't have uh Wars it would be impossible to you know to buy that we have to go to war but with anyone and Jonna says that we need um vigilance and sacrifice to uh evolve internally right the inner Evolution and I just want to end I know we are getting in the end of this episode uh and she says especially in the areas of feelings and reason our Judgment of things but she also says in one of her beautiful writings she makes a question uh that she she says like that did Jesus because jar was talking about Buddha and it remind me that I have read this question and I went looking for it she said did Jesus know the two psychological polarities of the human being and so he urged humans to love so deeply yeah that their act of sublime and conscious affection would be in full harmony with their unconscious archives I think that's so profound you know it is love so deeply love is to get to know as deep as we can ourselves and others right so love so deeply that our Act of sublime and conscious affection would be in full harmony with our unconscious archives then we are integrating our polarities because they can exist I can hold them I can hold them with compassion thinking about the Buddha that you brought I can hold them they can exist with inside of me if they can exist my

g our polarities because they can exist I can hold them I can hold them with compassion thinking about the Buddha that you brought I can hold them they can exist with inside of me if they can exist my polarities I don't blame anyone else and I understand everyone and then I will love my brothers and sisters as I love myself and I will that's beautiful that's beautiful just do you wanna do you want to to share maybe some uh final thoughts uh did we did we miss anything um how can we wrap it up one thing is Jesus said know the truth and the truth will set you free that's right this is Food For Thought and the other thing like you know practical tip and exercise for the week yes let your R go yes I love it I love it so so so this is really important everyone let us all in this invitation from Buddha let the raft go let let's uh be mindful and uh really let the the the the polarities right that I often see in the figure of the crucified Christ the two sides of of uh our existence our spiritual material Dimension among in many other polarities let us all go and be in the moment in accepting of all of those thank you thank you Jada I wanted to um to tell everyone that as we really are at time here and and my my apologies if I uh took a little bit longer today um than usual but this has been such a good uh discussion today so thank you na thank you J and um as I as I go back we we spent a bit of time talking about um Christmas Carol's version uh in the 1988 movie Scrooge uh let us be reminded that it is a rich right slapstick as it is but it's a rich narrative it um has many psychological insights about personal transformation right about emotional health about the impact of all of our Behavior on ourselves and others so the movie um really is teaching us that through self-awareness we're able to confront repressed emotions we can rethink our own values what what is our narrative right is it still filled by our um childhood uh traumas what what is it that is our north of our behaviors what our values

t repressed emotions we can rethink our own values what what is our narrative right is it still filled by our um childhood uh traumas what what is it that is our north of our behaviors what our values how can we Foster as different as we are eight billion plus shades of uh uh how we understand and express empathy but let us be empathic and kind human beings right let us be better versions of ourselves whatever we are let's be a little bit better even if we all start as cynical and selfish as someone as portrayed in in in that movie like Frank cross I I like to to say to all of us here that we brought this story of redemption uh rightous as you bring in your in your book uh about uh inner transformation but it's about also the power that we all have um the power of Second Chance and uh I just wanted to finalize saying that Joanna teaches that she uh teach us to embrace this journey of self- integration and so let us all take to heart the lessons as they come from many different sources right Buddha roomie uh Stevenson Dickens Etc but it it is a story those stories are there to teach us to invite us to this um um awareness that the more psychologically integrated we are the more balanced we are the more healthy we are and it's really a great opportunity to to start to embrace that uh our bipolarity as Joanna calls it are not signs of weakness right but it's really that fr friction um that that just of references earlier that friction that will lead us to self-awareness and and growth Evolution so we are here at the end of our episode and uh again this is just saying goodbye with this recognition that uh The Duality that is present in our psyche it is all present in everyone and uh knowing that as as a practical tip is that it's it is easy or easier perhaps to to reach that sense of balance uh when we recognize that within us right so that we can achieve that psychological maturity that we reference so much in our episodes but um I we talked about previous episodes earlier

nse of balance uh when we recognize that within us right so that we can achieve that psychological maturity that we reference so much in our episodes but um I we talked about previous episodes earlier episodes earlier conversation if this is the first time that you're here with us please note the the program the psychology and spiritual spirituality sorry weekly talks um they are based on the work by Joanna d'angeles and we're here to expand our concepts of spirituality against those psychological lenses that will bring this uh um ideas and tips and uh ways to become to live a better life we want to I could I would be remiss if I would not thank our sponsors manelin the United State Spirits Federation the international Spirits Council and army Brazil the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist association hope to see you next time during our next episode when we continue those discussions around searching and finding our inner truth thank you so very much everyone goodbye