Ep 100 - Joanna de Angelis - The Numinous and the Sacred

hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works of Joan d'angeles and we're here to offer safe space to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from a psychological lend bringing insights EX able tips and reworld advice to help you and I lead a better life I am so very happy to be here with Dr naif fona in Jada corn go we are very very uniquely happy today because we're celebrating our H 100th podcast hi Jara hi an thank you for being here with me specifically for this episode I don't know if you want to go ahead and say hello to to the audience hello everyone it's so nice to be here again with you and with my friends jar and Maria hi everyone we are so excited to be here today we have a great celebration and we are feeling very blessed to be together the three of us of course we do our audience thank you thank you you both and um today we're here as we mentioned briefly to invite all of us to dive into this exploration of Joanna d'angeles the numinous and the sacred so thank you for being here and I would like to go ahead and start by back to the beginning right so let's just start introducing who is Joanna deangeles well for all all of you who may not know who Joanna d'angeles is she is a prominent a very important figure in spiritism she's particularly known for her contributions to the understanding of I say spiritual healing and uh for me the most important aspect of her work is her introduction her really offering to all of us this bridge between spiritism and depth psychology her teachings emphasize the importance of self- knowledge personal transformation and the power of forgiveness she also brought us many messages that um often Inspire many many of us in all of our spiritual Journeys promote in the idea of Charity of service of loving the other as way to lead us to a more meaningful Life as a spiritist we do understand that R go

ire many many of us in all of our spiritual Journeys promote in the idea of Charity of service of loving the other as way to lead us to a more meaningful Life as a spiritist we do understand that R go ahead um go ahead um there's so much Echo coming from your voice okay shall we go head and get started again or let yeah that's okay that's okay did that because it was at the beginning yeah and it's that kind of echo that um okay you know the listener yeah let me go ahead and uh i m i muted uh my my mic and everything but it was really yours I'm looking just give us a second yeah um give me give me a second I'm gonna ask my husband to see if he can help me should we start again then another link no no no we'll we'll cut it's it's easy yeah um give me just a second Ry Echo really really difficult okay so J can you go on mute just to troubleshoot let me talk talk talk and there's there's no Echo Let's uh unmute J and and uh and uh un mute anaise just to check hi every one and I don't I don't hear an echo let's go ahead and mute your and unmute an hi do you hear any Echo anymore no I I never heard any Echo no I heard I heard it was really diff you heard you girls yeah yeah yeah let's try again and uh um and if if it works again we're just going to have to to maybe go for another day all right all right let me let let me try thank you all right so let me go back to my script and the two of you are on mute so I will not ask you to come in just to to make sure because I'll go on mute when Jada comes in okay so I'm going to ask now it is 5:50 at six minute hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna d'angeles and it is here to offer all of us a safe space to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from this psychological lens I am very happy to be here with Dr n fansa and jar corn go because we are celebrating our H 100th podcast so thank you for being here I

te and expand spirituality Concepts from this psychological lens I am very happy to be here with Dr n fansa and jar corn go because we are celebrating our H 100th podcast so thank you for being here I want to say hello Jara hello anay and hello all of you who are here with us today we are inviting all of us to dive into an exploration of Joanna deangeles from the numinous and the sacred that she brought to us and I would like to just go ahead and get started if you don't mind by introducing Jonah d'angeles if you don't know or this is the first time you're here with us it's okay I would like to just take this opportunity to introduce she Joanna d'angeles is a very important figure in spiritism she is is particularly known for her contributions to the understanding of um healing holistic health uh self-discovery but also for introducing this this bridge between spiritism and DEP psychology her teachings to me emphasize the all of us the importance and the need to to embark on the journey to self knowledge personal transformation and the power of forgiveness she has also left many many messages to individuals outside of her psychology collection and those message are often inspiring and consoling and uh any of us who are in that spiritual journey we we use that very deeply very importantly very uh specifically and uh they're here to promote many ideas but specifically the idea of Love of Charity of service and in the end to for all of us to Embark in this beautiful pursuit of a more meaningful life I'm a spiritist and as a spiritist reincarnation is a core belief of us of mine and uh so it is very easy for us to come here and to bring the idea that Joanna d'angeles as a spirit just like you and me right we've had many multiple incarnations and in the case of our Jo of the Angels here some of her existences are known and in fact they contribute to uh us understanding her deep wisdom and teachings she Joanna is also very um uh known and associated with a rich spiritual history that um has led her to

ences are known and in fact they contribute to uh us understanding her deep wisdom and teachings she Joanna is also very um uh known and associated with a rich spiritual history that um has led her to her role role that is widely recognized as a guide and spiritual teacher of the well-known Brazilian medium dealo per Franco as his spirit guide Joanna has communicated to us through his mediumship and through this quite beautiful partnership Joanna has offered insights on spiritual growth the importance of love the process of healing both physically emotionally and spiritually this the impact of this partnership to me is not insignificant and they both brought a quite large number of books that address various aspects of Life spirituality and The Human Experience Joanna's teachings Del through dealo emphasize again the importance of love the importance of self- knowledge the importance of forgiveness and that uh that invitation for a meaningful experience and I have to say this beautiful collaboration has had a significant impact on many many individuals who are seeking spiritual insight and healing and that includes me I consider Joanna a mentor a guide to me as well but let's just before I move on and ask Jada to talk a little bit about our program I just wanted to tell you um if you don't know yet a little bit about the psychology collection because that's the this program is based largely on those books that were written and it it is a set of 16 books that go really deeply into that intersection between psychology and spirituality that uh set of books um unfortunately uh first originally uh first written in Portuguese they are not completely available in English at the moment but the books really amazing because they they provide such insight right to all of us uh to me it's all about understanding our human behavior through that spiritual lens that psychological lens um as I said There are 16 books um the books in English available to you are Jesus in our days plitude times of

out understanding our human behavior through that spiritual lens that psychological lens um as I said There are 16 books um the books in English available to you are Jesus in our days plitude times of health and Consciousness the conscious being self-discovery and inner search wake up be happy life challenges and solutions existential conflicts my personal favorite and uh one that everybody should have I mean all of our eight billion plus people on this planet should read the psychology of gratitude but this is it as I said there more than those that uh we have an English title but I stopped here because I'd love to hear from Jada Jada is the co-founder of this program along with j h in and others right just but uh she was there from the very beginning the very Inception of the program and I'd love for you Jada to tell us how did it all begin and uh how we're here today uh celebrating a 100 episodes together yes so before anything else hello Mora hello Annie uh sometimes you know we try to make sense out of things and um we don't we we believe that we know how things happened or that you know we have planned and that we had a great idea and just started put things in place but little do we know that um there is you know for uh energy and the holy spirituality that it's actually guiding Us in this process in my own process of spirituality I I've been for you know since my childhood studying so much and trying to learn so much trying to make sense of you know life and um about this little life here that represents me J myself you know the whole package with uh good emotions bad emotions you know good BS bad did things that I'm ashamed of and things that I'm very proud of and of course it comes to a point in time when you are in your search for spirituality that you understand that the best way for you to go through this track is to look at yourself to try to understand yourself and to try to uh from from this you know beginning and perspective to find ways how you can um

d that the best way for you to go through this track is to look at yourself to try to understand yourself and to try to uh from from this you know beginning and perspective to find ways how you can um is start uh better understanding what you are and continueing this pursue of self-improvement and inevitably we we cannot go through this process unless we go through Joanna deangeles and why do I say Joanna deangeles are we skipping all the ancestors that we had was keeping Jesus and and the moral laws and um and and things that for and kardak things that pertain more to to to spiritist not really because EV everything that she she touches an all heart perspective come from this initial point and the point that where we are going to to learn finally to behave as Jesus would say as my true disciples and my true true disciples are going to be known for loving one another and then there is a catch that Jesus says loving one another as I love you which makes the whole difference here it's not from our understanding it's from an understanding of a spirit that is working in self-improvement so we come to one of the angelist and she she basically is as opposed to what so many people say she comes and complicates things I think that for me she's you know that piece of the puzzle that make everything completed and now I understand what is the image because there was there was this piece piece M missing which is exactly what she brings maybe yeah she uses a more elaborate L kind of language but she she brings all those pieces that were missing in terms of giving us guidance how to do the work from where to begin and like you said the whole literature so it's been the back of my mind for so many years you know this idea of uh you know uh getting deeper into this knowledge and having being in contact with uh this purpose also that is a purpose of uh um Brazil International you know for us to to study and to go deep into the studies um from this this perspective of understanding not because

contact with uh this purpose also that is a purpose of uh um Brazil International you know for us to to study and to go deep into the studies um from this this perspective of understanding not because we wanted to become psychologist or graduate in in in another subject but because we want to graduate in this the school of spirituality and emotions and so I I wanted to uh you know I had this idea of putting you know a group of people that would be dedicating to do that okay the idea came and years passed and how how are we going to do that because you know there there was a challenge we wanted to do that also in the English language and like you said we don't even have all the books yet translated or although we have we have enough and we have the material and people that could be working with you know in this bilingual situation so uh the opportunity presented itself in one uh encounter that we have with some of you know the members that we are here today and all of a sudden like you know uh that idea that comes to your mind there is no better time than the right than the than this time than the actual time so we we we we sat together and all of a sudden you know maybe that person would be good for for us to to have it as well and out of nowhere we started uh uh thinking about people like it was your case Mercia and then an that uh was also you know we invited to come join this participation and then andon CLA and then um other members and fabrio and gelon and everyone when we started first talking about it and this is how the idea happened at first we were of course just an idea thinking very small okay we will do that you know podcast once a month and um and that's it within our possibilities and little did we know that the plans were not exactly that and so we look at for partners especially for the uh the dissemination because uh you see sometimes it's not as hard to to do things but uh to make it rich people and this is the reason why we are doing that we are not doing that for us we are

or the uh the dissemination because uh you see sometimes it's not as hard to to do things but uh to make it rich people and this is the reason why we are doing that we are not doing that for us we are doing that because this is something that has help that has been helping healing us and help us in this journey and uh we wanted to share with others so in order to share we had to find people you know other talents that could aggregate the ones that would be you know putting together this beautiful template where Joanna dangela's eyes keeps on looking at us we got a musician hikaro Romano that made this special little song you know is made by a a great musician recognized musician that he he made it exclusively for Joanna deangeles and then we talked to the the partner that would be the ones that would be you know transmitting the podcast and helping us in putting all together and adriani that it started you know all the the designers and everything and Daniel Santos that uh start put together you know the the the the all the podcast that Spotify and then man coming or where we could be you know weekly uh hearing there that was where the you know the bad news came and they said okay let's do it we are so excited about doing it so you guys are going to be sending on us a weekly problem and I said wait wait a minute you said weekly we were talking about monthly and he said well the only way that we can do that is weekly program and then we we talked with each other and he said we can do it we can do it and we have been doing that for hundred programs and it has been amazing and it has been a reencounter of souls because you know that thing that uh you know that prayer from Francis offes that is he said that it's in giving that you receive and I myself can say I have been receiving so much not only from all the you know use of the time that we have to do to prepare and to be really worthy of uh you know disseminating this work and and and coming here and talk on behalf

receiving so much not only from all the you know use of the time that we have to do to prepare and to be really worthy of uh you know disseminating this work and and and coming here and talk on behalf of Joan and deangeles and dealo Franco but um I mean everything that we've been Gathering and and I mean the friendships that uh the partnership uh and the love that has been developed among ourselves again reencounter of Souls and so I feel very very blessed and thankful to all of you guys and all EV everyone that has been enjoying being with us here each and every week and above all this Noble spirit that is deangeles Jada I know that I can hear the excitement in your voice uh given the little bit of the history of uh us coming together for the podcast but uh would like maybe for you to to give a little bit to talk about Joan the angel as I mentioned has had many known incarnations and there's one in particular that I thought you you may be able to talk a little bit about it or touch upon it who is Joana deuza can you uh talk about her yeah and that's particularly interesting Marcia because um um I think we can mirror her ourselves in her and I'm going to explain why first talking a little bit about her being you know this woman from society married from from you know with a a general of uh uh Roman or working with a Roman general her her husband would be uh have a very good uh position in the the Roman court and uh she she leave it you know with the benefits of someone that worked from from for the Roman Court like her husband and um but she was unhappy and she she was missing something and uh thankfully for her uh she lived at the time of Jesus and she she she had the chance of hearing Jesus talking and um for some of us unfortunately I don't know how we were not so deeply touched like she was but she was and she was ready and from that moment on she had a different purpose in her life and that different purpose in her life was to try to fulfill uh her Mission or you know to

ed like she was but she was and she was ready and from that moment on she had a different purpose in her life and that different purpose in her life was to try to fulfill uh her Mission or you know to perform her tasks in the best way that she thought and that would be by being a follower a direct follower of Jesus um and why I am I comparing us to her at this point it is because she comes to Jesus and you know filled with this inner desire right I I found my call and this is what I want to do and I don't want to be related with uh you know human life or you know the daytoday ordinary life anymore and then Jesus says no and uh you know it was hard for her to understand this no uh uh it was hard for her to realize that in order for her to do something and to fulfill her commitments she couldn't be closer to that source of light love of light and Enlightenment you know and um but even when he said no he explained to her that her call and her commitment was in with the family with what she was going to be doing and providing from that on point on and he tells her be faithful regardless you know you have to you know make flowers grow wherever you are you know you you you put sit in the garden and it's going to grow and and and sometimes you know I think that when we were thinking about this work that we are doing and the way we started I think that in a way what is similar we feel very small but we want to be close to the source of light but we we realize that we don't have that much to offer and at the same time we may think well maybe you know even if I offer just a few seed that's okay okay it doesn't work it doesn't it doesn't matter uh because we we don't make a sense of the importance of flowering of of promoting goodness with the tools that we have and I don't know if I could make myself clear here in terms of making this connection but when he said to her I don't need you to follow me or to be a direct disciple for you to do something and to accomplish something that is

d make myself clear here in terms of making this connection but when he said to her I don't need you to follow me or to be a direct disciple for you to do something and to accomplish something that is going to be important go and or work toil in your own soil even it doesn't seem important now that much important now but things are going to be coming about from it like we know that happened after you know she continue always promote and helping in any way that she could uh the the work of Jesus and the disciples and trying to favor in them in terms of the Roman laws and and bringing and he said dedicate to the husband you have to rescue him and and then she would have children that she had to rescue as well and when finally her husband died and she could be more open and un for fortunately at the end of her day she would be recognized as Christian together with her child and be condemned to the circus and uh she was still able at the last second of her life to make a huge impact on the life of someone that although at the moment that torturer was despising her and and condemning her to be so deaf to the cries of her child that we saying please Mom say no refuse Jesus so I can you can save me and not understanding you know the values of spiritual life that torture comes to her and say you know this man all taught you to die and she says no he taught me to love and so she she shows that the ultimate sacrifice is out of love and uh and I think that's that that is the life that is so important and that already set the tones of what this Spirit would become along the way the resilience the faithfulness because Jesus said be fa faithful you know and remember that regardless where you are you can be contributing and I think that what you we trying to do here in our own possibilities is exactly that we were called and it it may have not have seen that much at the beginning but at the same time now we look at this Garden we look how much has been flooring and uh it's it's being a joy and I think

t we were called and it it may have not have seen that much at the beginning but at the same time now we look at this Garden we look how much has been flooring and uh it's it's being a joy and I think that for each one of us there is participating and allowing this conversation this enticing conversations that we have and everything that you bring Marcia and an with her expertise that makes us oh gosh be capable to do so much more and continue in this work of resilience and personal growth I love it thank you thank you J um Joanna d'angel is is is really a force that touches all of us and in her life uh as Joanna deuza also brought that just like you said let's not lets us all understand and go through the Journey of self-aware awareness self-discovery and acceptance of where we are and be closer to the source and with that I think I'm gonna if you don't mind you s to flip it to anay because I think what you're talking is is all about the sacred in all of us and I was going to ask you uh anay can you talk a little bit about the numinous and the sacred and how can we all tie together in this discussion about Jonah d'angeles so first of all hello everyone and it's so great to be here with you again and as I was listening to you guys um one of the things that I realize is that uh we are giving the example with the podcast it's not only informing or having a conversation that can be inspiring but also something that uh these times that we are living are asking us to to do you know giving the example as Mara has asked me how do we do that how do we connect to the sacred we are doing that right now because it doesn't matter where people are when they are going to be listening you know because what Joanna is asking us and I was listening um to what jar was talking about Jan ofus right uh her Incarnation but in the time of Jesus and what Jesus tells her um that uh no she cannot follow him at that point because as just so well have put it um because her task was with the family so um Joanna's

carnation but in the time of Jesus and what Jesus tells her um that uh no she cannot follow him at that point because as just so well have put it um because her task was with the family so um Joanna's proposal you know she was she's like we are in the middle of a storm right at these days that we are living in but we know that we are transitioning to a higher level of Consciousness different spiritual Traditions you know from uh from all over the globe and we have cardak right with um in the 19th century telling us that that uh the time is now and was happening already that we are evolving in Consciousness and that uh everything that Jesus actually uh prepared us uh and other um light uh beings and Masters but of course with Jesus uh putting everything together for us uh 2,000 years ago and more uh was to prepare us for this moment as Joanna in her beautiful book one of her beautiful books because we have lots of them as Mara uh was uh talking about uh The Awakening of the spirit so the Awakening of the spirit is now and it has already started like let's say with Jesus 2,000 years ago um telling bringing all the beautiful I always say it's the best psychological book that I know uh in spiritual book of course but as I'm a psychiatrist and a young analyst I'm looking from this point of view everything is there everything is there H it's just the way that we are we have to evolve and study and reflect upon so that we can understand what Jesus told us that it's uh the the path to what Joanna asks us to do selfis Discovery right un understanding ourselves and expanding our Consciousness uh towards actually God or the Transcendent or the unity um what doesn't matter the way that people call uh this um this intelligence but it's not own intelligence uh the loving uh creative force of the universe that also created us of course so what uh I was thinking Mara is that and just that we are giving the example because Joanna brought us together we we didn't know each other previously right and there was a

lso created us of course so what uh I was thinking Mara is that and just that we are giving the example because Joanna brought us together we we didn't know each other previously right and there was a calling so of course people people could say oh it was an external calling but it's not uh the ego our Consciousness you know the personality um just think that okay because this and that happen that we are here in the 100th episode of our podcast right with everybody and thanks so much everybody who um has been listening to the podcast this is very important and talking about and referring to other people right because it as said it's not us we are only doing the best we can we cannot do more than that but to face these times we just have as um a wonderful teacher that I have um also heard in a podcast says be the best version of ourselves right so as Joanna is doing that asking us to do the this to be and of course she she's um in psychological terms and spiritual terms she is uh is trying to help us un better understand uh the the teachings of Jesus and uh of course so what happens is that when we are here together and we open ourselves but only of course as just said we study we prepare ourselves but we also pray and we also try to con contact right with um through meditation and um understanding that we Are Spiritual Beings so we need to vibrate in a certain way to be able to connect and to be open to uh intuitions and and insights that we know that are coming through us right it's of course we are trying to be good instruments of those insights and teachings but uh it's not us it it's they are coming through us and um by Joanna and mentors and uh different um uh other friends from spiritual Realm and this happens not only with us with anyone that it's open because we are in this deep dimension of the psych of our souls that connects all of us from Psych the depth psychology point of view that we call the um Transcendent dimension of the psych deep in our unconscious that it's where

imension of the psych of our souls that connects all of us from Psych the depth psychology point of view that we call the um Transcendent dimension of the psych deep in our unconscious that it's where the we could say the spiritual Dimension where uh from where all religious experience um come from right in psychological terms and emerge from the depths of our unconscious uh so we know that when we uh are open to that not only with our minds but with our hearts we are going to be in contact with the sacred and we are going to have what we call Yung call and Joanna refers to also a numinous experience so it's the direct contact with the sacred I can explain a little uh bit better in a moment but I wanted to say that this experience of being here and with the friends as um Jada said that we it's a meeting of souls right and we can feel the vibration and the joy and the love of being together talking about um johanna's teachings Jesus teachings about uh what we discover within ourselves with her proposal of self analysis right um um looking to our to our depths and finding everything that we are our truth you know our spiritual being our higher Consciousness so I think this is the experience and of course when we are talking to each other we are of course the ego is doing the job right to discern what I can talk or what I can't but this it's very symbolic this uh 100 episodes you know because we have been here sometimes uh more enthusiastically sometimes saying uh things that we were inspired by using movies and art and uh and different examples but uh we can't forget that uh the bottom in the bottom line the bottom of all is our higher selves our spiritual consciousness what Yung called the the self capital s that is we uh yungan analyst use as a syn syn of the imod the image of God but of course it's not God it's not the Transcendent one but it is uh our understanding of god let's say our our spiritual experience what we have up to this point developed but not only as individual individuals

e it's not God it's not the Transcendent one but it is uh our understanding of god let's say our our spiritual experience what we have up to this point developed but not only as individual individuals because we are all interconnected in this uh deeper levels of the psych that you call the collective unconscious so there is where the religious experience happen and it doesn't matter the culture the age the gender whatever it doesn't matter even the historical time that we are living everything that we have experienced every image of God and our goddesses uh every religious experience that anyone has ever as Humanity experienced everything is in the collective unconscious so we share as a humanity and this understanding when we can live as we are living here now and have all this symbol of the 100th episode right number one that is Unity with two zeros that are expanding the number right so we are giving the example that of course they go suffers am I doing something okay is Jan saying that it's okay am I doing something that it's not so good today will people like or not that's all ego people but when we are here studying reading her uh books her teachings talking about that trying to connect with our day byday experience right and trying to think of okay what else can I do uh as Jesus says to Jo Jonah De no don't follow me as she wanted I would want to let me go you know but he understand he he just looked at us and he knew our past present and future is spiritually and he knew what uh she in her personality at that point couldn't understand because he was was talking also to her higher self right he knew where that beautiful spirit would uh would have to learn or haven't had even proposed to learn in that Incarnation and in the end as just said when she is burning to the stake right and she is sacrificing and um in the the the eyes of the you know that those ignorant still like children spiritually speaking uh in the circles the Roman circles that um I'm following him now I have done my

is sacrificing and um in the the the eyes of the you know that those ignorant still like children spiritually speaking uh in the circles the Roman circles that um I'm following him now I have done my my my learning in this life and the the the most important learning is how to love he taught me how to love so we are hearing we are here 2,000 years trying to uh do the same as Jonah did started let's say or developed better or faster in that Incarnation that to learn how to love to sacrifice our egos in a sense our understanding of only this re material reality even our bodies uh not trying to learn not to be afraid of uh you know diseases illnesses death and all of that this because then uh we understand with our higher selves and the ego is learning to listen to the higher self even in this Incarnation so that's the Awakening of spirit you know from Psych death psycholog point of view that the ego uh really understand that the sacred lives inside of us Jesus knew that and he was uh showing us the weight to the way to this light that is within ourselves not outside of ourselves the connection to the Transcendent one to God as spiritist knowledge uh teach us it's not outside of us in temples okay I can go it helps me to Med meditate to prayer whatever people's religion but if I understand that it's just uh um altering of a state of mind calming the ego so uh through meditation prayers so that I can really talk to the sacred that it's um in this conversation is uh inside has to happen inside of myself not outside of myself so that's why Joanna and as at first I was a freuden and I found the Yung actually Yung was for me just an instrument A Tool uh to understand Janna actually so I can say that my degree as y analyst uh I I owe to Joanna and ultimately I owe to of course to Jesus because I started uh wanting to be a therapist of the Soul as I told you at some point when I was 12 years old it was very romantic or whatever I didn't know what I was saying in my ego but the self

s because I started uh wanting to be a therapist of the Soul as I told you at some point when I was 12 years old it was very romantic or whatever I didn't know what I was saying in my ego but the self already knew the way the path so all of this uh we learn with Joanna uh and the main purpose of our podcast as just said because the first time we looked at each other we recognized ourselves Right girls with as sisters we could have been Brothers whatever because doesn't matter spiritually speaking but as sisters as Souls that find each other and find because this beautiful mother spiritual mother we could say this um sacred um uh force that Joanna brings within her as a a spiritual teacher that appears in the moment as a feminine force of the spirit called us right and really put us together so this is the example it's not outside of us it's inside of us absolutely absolutely it it's I I'm taken by uh all the words brought to us today right as as we celebrate uh 100 episodes together but also understanding the sacred right and how Joanna the angels has been truly not just a bridge between spirituality and depth psychology but a bridge among ourselves among all of us as we get together and we learn a little bit more uh we are at time and I wanted to ask J maybe I don't know what came to my mind was uh maybe you want to share um something especially the bond that you have with dealo P Fran and how he is the instrument and and and partner uh to to bring Joanna d'angels to us if if you have anything that you want to share with everyone else um yeah actually I I was I was thinking that I I would like to personally um demonstrate our gratitude to him uh because uh of course we we always thinking about the spirit that brought the knowledge that brought the the essence that is so important but we forget forget that we often forget that in in this process of you know being a good receptor in terms of medion ship it requires someone very committed very disciplined and I mean considering

t but we forget forget that we often forget that in in this process of you know being a good receptor in terms of medion ship it requires someone very committed very disciplined and I mean considering the how profound and complex uh her teachings is um it has to be someone that uh would be basically at the same level and and so I think it's it it's so much gratitude that we have the computation and and the commitment of these two Spirits one in in this side of life the other one uh that is you know just as a spirit without a corporeal body and and uh understanding how much she she's she's close to us and in all our conversation with him um how much he showed this appreciation of all the work that we are doing and really open the channels for us to to be able to do with to go on with the semination because uh he knows the importance and he knows that now as a Humanity we are so much in need of care and shelter and love for our souls we we are hurtful Souls here kind of feeling lost but uh there is a motherly figure that is Joanna deangeles that is also taking care of us and saying I do understand your anguish I do understand your you know disturbing emotions and anxieties and pain but there is a solution just calm down come with us foll this path be patient with yourself and trust you and be faithful to the end like what she she heard from from Jesus so let us be faithful we we are in this path and I I think U that's the great message that we can gather from this commitment from both from dialo and for for herself and we know with the communion of spirits of noble spirits and schol spirits that have been working in this path in this journey from the of times from ancient Greece asking us to pay attention and know th myself you really need that and I end girls with um one uh sentence by Joanna uhuh my the final my final words will not be mine will be Joanna in The Awakening of the spirit the book look what what she says the human being is destined for the stars self-illuminating with the

na uhuh my the final my final words will not be mine will be Joanna in The Awakening of the spirit the book look what what she says the human being is destined for the stars self-illuminating with the Splendor of wisdom love and knowledge in order to achieve the goal for which he she was created Perfection this is not a religious fantasy or a false premise with an illusory character which the son of reality would immediately spell but of a right that is granted by existential fatality itself beautiful beautiful message as and uh as we we have come to an end I just want to invite all of you to stay connected for the next 100 episodes as we learn and we share some of those teachings that Joanna d'angels brought to us and uh wanted to say thank you thank you for being here it is all about this confirmation of the expression the manifestation of Love sensibility the feminine expression right The Power of Love indeed and I want to say Joan's teachings as uh J mentioned delivered through the discipline and commitment of D per Franco really is all about that the power of love the power of knowing th thyself the the self- knowledge and uh to all of us the invitation to truly live a meaningful life um I wanted to say if this is for whatever reason the first time you are with us today please note that our weekly talks are indeed a discussion based on the works by Jonah deangeles and uh we hope you were able to perhaps take some nuggets of uh knowledge in Awareness with our conversations today we want to also thank all of our sponsors Manel duino United State spiritual Federation the international Spirits Council and I Brazil I Brazil is the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist association hope to have you back during our next episode so long byebye so long