Ep 94 - Illuminating the Shadow (Shadow Work)

hi everyone good morning good afternoon good evening wherever you are I want to say hello and uh appreciate you being here with us as we are me Marcano and Dr naifa together for another episode of the psychology and spirituality the bridge for better life life our weekly talk based on Joanna d'angeles today we're going to talk about Shadow work right and uh and if you if you we'll Define a little bit later but the idea of Shadow work is really going a little deep in this discussion about perhaps the Dark Side of who we are the dark side the obscured not so in enlightened side of our existence and we have to remember car gusta Jung emphasized really this idea the importance of the process of individuation and for those of you who may not know what what he means by that is simply put the process of integrating different aspects of the self to achieve this um more holistic more complete and more authentic identity so today I'm inviting anay to to talk about Shadow work about a little bit about selfis Discovery and to understand those essential mechanism for us to live a better life back to an introduction before we start uh talking in Earnest and I just wanted to everybody know that the psychology and spirituality weekly talks as I mentioned before are based on the works by Joanna de angelist and we're here to offer a safe space to confront compare correlate and expand spirituality Concepts from a psychological lens and I wanted to to really talk about today because this is not just a discussion but invitation for you for me for all of us to have the courage to work with our personal Shadow and I think an you may also talk about different Dimensions right we talk about personal Shadow Collective shadow archetypical shadow so it goes from a very uh large portion of who you are but it can expand much larger so we're going to talk a little bit about those Concepts and I even say what an if you could talk a little bit about uh some of the mechanism to do Shadow work some um

re but it can expand much larger so we're going to talk a little bit about those Concepts and I even say what an if you could talk a little bit about uh some of the mechanism to do Shadow work some um literature out there talks about methods are quite simple such as journaling every day but of course meditation self reflection even therapy may help us do this Shadow work but I wanted to go ahead and let you know anay and I'm going to show um this book it's an amazing book uh it's called the the psychology of gratitude right and you may think Mercia what are you talking about what is gratitude have to do with with this topic well I was reading and this is quite interesting reading the second chapter of this of this book and the author Joanna theangels explores an the concept of the Shadow and as she does that she brings to us who are readers the direct thoughts from yungin psychology and the book is amazing but in that chapter particularly Joanna brings to us a discussion on how the shadow represents all the parts of ourselves that uh for many different reasons right we we tend we are driven to we are pushed to suppress to deny right and because of it we usually think Shadow as a very negative part of ourselves what we're embarrassed what is being culturally speaking Deni denied right so even um our Tendencies addictions perhaps negative traits uh when we lose control when you yell at people when you're so angry but also unresolved emotions so she Joanna States how important it is for all of us to acknowledge all of this that forgive me that we hide so that um we can start to acknowledge we start to integrate and we start to achieve perhaps this uh uh emotional well-being that comes with our growth so shall we talk today about embracing the Shadow or Shadow work so that we're all able to lead a deeper understand of ourselves what you think I think it's a great topic for conversation hello everyone it's great to be here again with you Marca we are missing J today right but she will come back quickly um

erstand of ourselves what you think I think it's a great topic for conversation hello everyone it's great to be here again with you Marca we are missing J today right but she will come back quickly um well uh let's talk about Shadow work and I was listening to you and we have lot lots of things to talk about it's a very interesting and important also very important especially in in the days that we are leaving right so I thought about an example to start with an example um some time ago I was with a very dear friend and he was very upset with political stuff here in Brazil um that that's some time ago and um at some point we were talking very friendly you know because as dear friends you we are we were just listening to each other and actually he was speaking more than I because uh he was explaining to me his um world viiew in what's going on not only in Brazil but also in other parts of the world and at some point he got so caught up in his own emotions interesting and and the probably memories of something of some other uh struggles that he had been uh through in the past you know and um it was very interesting Martha and everybody else because at some point I I can't remember actually what I asked him what was just to clarify whose uh side he was talking about because we are in the these days that are we are living uh everybody but one part of you know of the people of the population against the other and we are this yeah it's a very polarized world right where my opinion my opinion my express my world view my political views and oh boy if I am uh desperate from your views I have to metaphorically speaking eradicate you kill you distance from you because those are no longer compatible exactly and so I just asked him a question about what he was talking just to clarify because I couldn't understand which side he was talking it was so confusing because you see light and Shadow in everything let's talk about light and Shadow good and evil for instance we all have it's um you you

ouldn't understand which side he was talking it was so confusing because you see light and Shadow in everything let's talk about light and Shadow good and evil for instance we all have it's um you you talked about opposite so we are in a very Duo world uh starting uh from the perspective that we are spirits inside a body that it's material so spirit and matter psych and matter right uh and for you this um would be two aspects of the same reality ity he talked about uh sometimes we have already talked about the archetype of the unus Mundus everything is interconnected it's just the expression of uh certain aspects of reality that we tend uh we are going to see as material for instance and the other we can be talk about spiritual stuff we can be having um a medam mytic or paranormal experience and we will be more in contact with the spiritual dimension for instance but we are in the flesh so we are still living this Duality right and interpreting and perceiving uh our reality as much as we um open up our um the way our minds to different possibilities and realities so well let's go back to the example so I was just I made um a question to clarify because I couldn't understand which side he was talking about yeah what did he say he got so caught up in that you know so emotional because I think he understood that I was going against what he was talking about the side that uh he was defending let's say but I couldn't even I was trying to to understand he his world view what he thought about the different sides and so he was so caught up in that and he thought that I made a question that I was questioning his position but actually I I his only his side his the way he was looking at things and the side that he decided was the best was not clear for me can I can I add something else that came to my mind um it's it's the fact that um and in this case you're you're you're talking about a politically um you know politically uh charged and emotionally charged in a polarized World

lse that came to my mind um it's it's the fact that um and in this case you're you're you're talking about a politically um you know politically uh charged and emotionally charged in a polarized World Viewpoint views of the world which now and the the thought process that comes to my mind is the fact that it's becoming very dogmatic right so it is my quote unquote My Religion my political view my world my thoughts and uh what it it's interesting here from me this this taking a very dogmatic um attribute to a discussion is that like like that uh I think we are really foregoing a rational logic of anything and in turn taking into this emotional logic meaning that I can express with words and and even intellect but that uh intellectual rational thinking about any subject becomes overpowered by my emotional logic which is no longer so rational and when somebody comes in and start to poke right can you tell me more and uh putting in danger the entire argument that was there it becomes an attack this is what came to my mind right yes yes and you're quite right because let's not forget yung's theory about the complexes right that's right so emotionally he he says charged uh aspects of our then we he was talking about our personal unconscious right where we have this emotional um charg experiences related to some uh some aspects of our uh Dynamics uh our unconscious Dynamics and about some point in our life for instance the inner child the teenager that we were uh somebody's um daughter or son and a mother the mother complex the father other complex so uh yes we have all this pressure emotional charged experiences and memories that form a complex our inner people let's say inside of from this experience and also past life experiences they can also be present in some of our complexes um and uh besides that I think you're quite right um Marca because there is this um going on in the collective unconscious this struggle with the opposite sides and I think I will tell you later but I have my own

sides that I think you're quite right um Marca because there is this um going on in the collective unconscious this struggle with the opposite sides and I think I will tell you later but I have my own Theory based on Joanna my insights that we are heading to a new level of Consciousness Jonah calls us um in all her books actually to an expansion of consciousness to to get in the point to be in contact with Cosmic conscious Consciousness that's beautiful yeah so I think to to do that we have to overcome all this polarity so who's in who's interested that Humanity stays in this opposing uh world viiew let's say it's me against the other it's totally against what the most uh would say at least for us in the west the most um yeah uh developed spiritually speaking being that we know of that summarize all the other light teachers saying that we should love one another and forgive one another that is Jesus the Christ right so in his wonderful gospel uh that brings all this light and understanding psychologic Al and spiritually understanding that's why Joanna also talks a lot about that the real therapy as you said the real where we want to get right to unify the way that we are so divided inside of us we are talking today here about the Shadow and we know that the opposite of the Shadow is the Persona the our social mask the part of the ego that the ego develops to adapt so um I we I think we we have to think and wonder ask ourselves who is so interested in dividing ourselves in m in making us stay in this point as children you know I don't like you are not my friend bullying each other we are like children if you're going bullying each other and the worst part you know the the the very bad part unlighted or dark side of the the the inner inner child or as we are talking about the our shadow aspects is when I bullied others saying that um I'm even allowed to kill you for instance because you are evil and I'm good for instance I am in the in the side of light but there's also sorry to

adow aspects is when I bullied others saying that um I'm even allowed to kill you for instance because you are evil and I'm good for instance I am in the in the side of light but there's also sorry to interrupt again I think there's because you're asking who would benefit right and um we and I'm talking about the West right we we have reached a state where we've never had this much level of comfort right as the ability to do so much in so little time uh I can come visit you tomorrow anay even though you are I believe almost 5,000 miles away from me but I can see you tomorrow right um there are so much potential that I have right here at my fingertips which makes me I believe makes me uh be believe that I am Godlike I can do whatever I want and and I wonder um and I I don't know what you think about it right um if you think about it the the person that is really good that's really skilled in disguising whatever that person truly is Right Will Conquer uh the the largest uh amount of honors and love and all of it because we have become a society uh largely due to uh social media but before social media we had TV and before TV we had radio so we've become more and more a society that is very vois of what others are doing but also exhibitionists we all have become really good at um creating or uh curating if you will um uh simples or photos of myself at my best light right so when I'm really good at it uh I will uh be loved and quote unquote right I'll be loved I'll be accepted but the more I do it the greater my shadow is the great of course right because we are feeding the Beast right that we're feeding the monster of this this is for you to be accepted let's see let's let's let's be very real here uh to be a woman in after certain age and to be even visible now you need to have uh you know cosmetic surgery you have to have a certain look you have to uh I I I I find it quite interesting because uh uh makeup and hair hair extensions wigs I mean we just becoming more and more

e uh you know cosmetic surgery you have to have a certain look you have to uh I I I I find it quite interesting because uh uh makeup and hair hair extensions wigs I mean we just becoming more and more and more artificial to become real or appear to be become real but it's really all a lie it's all a creation of something we're not hence we're further and further away from our authentic self which I think shadow work is really a proposal a challenge for us to be courageous in look at who we truly are right be become naked with our with ourselves as our Tendencies our uh desires our laziness in some case or lack of discipline I don't know our arrogance in some other cases or or whatever but it it's really this notion that I have to be courageous enough to confront a world that will not accept me to be able to start to learn about myself to love myself and to be authentically accepted am I going the right direction do you think no I think you are I I think sometimes because uh everything is more uh let's say we are in a very complex world because uh we have evolved um our brain says that right we have the cortex the cerebral cortex so we can think of things for instance you talked about of course we we usually it's our own world viiew so we are like two ladies right talking here and we want to look good of course whoever body and we have a cultural differences here in Brazil we like to use for inst makeup and things like that that's okay if I am authentic if I can live without it if I am uh if I'm only uh for instance seeing Oh I like this this is nice this is beautiful like the pictures here of course and I like that I went in a museum and I like that okay I want to look in my working place and or I like this or I don't like that but I'm doing that because I feel connected to myself that's right I I like to feel good and I'm not so worried what people are going to say you know and if I lose that I'm not going you know to oh my God to go in into a depression or if people don't like

hat's right I I like to feel good and I'm not so worried what people are going to say you know and if I lose that I'm not going you know to oh my God to go in into a depression or if people don't like uh what I'm saying then oh nobody likes me you know that's the point uh to be joyful to be happy to feel pretty uh in a sense that um it's not like a a narcissistic thing but it's I'm I'm okay with myself I'm in peace with myself we know that Janna uh in the past in many of her uh incarnations she was a n and we know that of course you told dealo her median right that it was uh you you talked about being a a woman it was of course the only possible way in the past for a woman to have education for instance and to have this possibility of to connection daily with the Divine because we know that in the past life was very tough right uh especially for for women of course men had to go to war and whatever and die young and all this stuff so we we don't have to you say oh this was bad for everyone let's say not for only you but we know that uh women suffered a lot and died from given you know child birth uh um and all this stuff um so we know that it was very tough but for instance in her writings Joanna even says that in the past being enough you know was very hard and for instance it was um you you couldn't eat for instance you you would go days without eating right uh and it was okay it was expected because it was part of rituals and spiritual religious ritual rituals for instance using those I don't know in English and I can't remember the name but that those um awful stuff that the priests and and nuns use to harm their their body the flesh they would bleed you know those instruments um under the self self self mutating right there is the and it's a very interesting because we can talk about it even a little bit further right why today in our society we no longer use those uh uh self hurting devices uh I think they're called silus but I'm not sure yeah silus yeah yeah but uh it it

k about it even a little bit further right why today in our society we no longer use those uh uh self hurting devices uh I think they're called silus but I'm not sure yeah silus yeah yeah but uh it it where at some point dealing with the guilt consciously or not but there's this hurt that you bring then it's easier to just self harm because the the pain in the blood will seem like you're you're you're distilling yourself from from removing uh cleansing yourself from what we bring but we do that today more and more we are becoming a society where self harm is becoming quite widespread yeah drugs and alcohol and all this stuff so what Joanna I remember many of her writings where she said it was all of uh about repression even repression of sexual sexuality in the past Med times and um and control over people the power and also learning that the body is unclean and it's ugly and it's something that uh you know you should maintain under a very strict control so of course this would bring illnesses even infection can you imagine yeah and they didn't have antibiotics and things like that so if you keep uh hurting yourself in the sense so they would die young and all this stuff so we know today that we have to our body is a very precious we were talking about we are talking about gratitude right so it's a very precious gift from the creator of life that gives our body so that our spirit can have this um this time here on Earth to learn right to experience new to have new experiences so we have to take care of our bodies and we have to be very grateful that we have a body uh that we can you know be here talking and listening to um conversation looking uh to each other reflecting with our brains right and um feeling with our hearts knowing with both of them our hearts and our brains so and feel feeling nice and beautiful yes of course with with whatever body we have and um cherishing in this sense not in a narcissistic way so I think it's very good that you talked about that and

so and feel feeling nice and beautiful yes of course with with whatever body we have and um cherishing in this sense not in a narcissistic way so I think it's very good that you talked about that and I wanted just to go back to the because uh but first because you said that we have so many technology and we have so many uh ways that make our material life easier for many people for many many other populations you know of the world other peoples of the world um they don't have they are suing poverty so how come some of us have so much and others have so little are we doing what the light teachers told us to love ourselves right so this is um going back to um who who benefits as you say yes yes with dividing us with saying that we have enemies that we have to go to Wars at this point Marsh I think it's so you know wake up people right of the world we are as one how can we still be doing that right yeah that's awful so let's go back to Shadow works and to the example that I I brought to you so this friend of mine when I asked him uh okay but uh what is exactly that what's your point because you know I I didn't understand what he was uh which side of the discussion because it was not a discussion was talking to himself actually I was just there to listen he got so angry I can only say that he started screaming I am a good person I am a good person scre creamy and he got all flushed and all all red in the face and saying that and I I just looked at him yes I I think you are a good person but yeah he was like overcome by this so I was going to I wanted to to bring this example to you guys to everybody that is listening to us and to you Mar so that we can think what was feeling we are talking about Shadow okay it's a one it's a a friends we are very good friends for many many years we were having a conversation from where all the that hatred yeah and all that came because if I have to say aloud and screaming person person yeah I'm of course you understand perfectly that at

years we were having a conversation from where all the that hatred yeah and all that came because if I have to say aloud and screaming person person yeah I'm of course you understand perfectly that at that moment and he is overcome by his own shadow because he's not feeling that he's a good person he's totally projecting you know and he was projecting onto me me in that case that I was there I made the question that made him connect with that inner division for instance he wants to be a good person in his Persona is a good person but and it's not that in his uh personal unconscious he's bad he's a psychopath or whatever no he is a good person but he was using me in a sense to talk to himself yeah because I was there listening you know of affirmation right he's speaking to you but he needed to hear himself uh classify as a good person right yes so why do we have to do that with ourselves it's because we are struggling to repress and not deal with our shadow aspects of course when he was um what I understood when he was explaining his worldview and why he thought one political view was bad and the other was okay and it's one was the dark side and the other was the light yeah he had to thought of both sides of course and something inside of him connected in his unconscious to a part of maybe that U someday or sometime in the past he was not so good or he was Pro that side that he now thought that was the dark or he connected in some way uh to to that dark side he felt hatred for instance if you think that one one side of the political dimension for instance aspects in some people some people country for some person's country uh is the dark and the other is the light okay but then I see us people that I like acting and defending that part and I in my unconscious think well that's not totally wrong uhhuh uh but that is totally against what my Persona and my conscious uh you know my ego thinks so how am I going to deal with that that I'm so certain in my ego my Consciousness that I defend that part uh

uh but that is totally against what my Persona and my conscious uh you know my ego thinks so how am I going to deal with that that I'm so certain in my ego my Consciousness that I defend that part uh you know that worldview that party whatever that from the political um you know parties in my country but then I think the other party or the other part of the political um the politics of my country is not so bad in that or that other aspect how am I going to defend that or how am I going to you talked about integrate integrate uh inside of myself yeah and that that's the the thing when we talk about psychological and spiritual aspects of our our psych because the world is not black and white absolutely it's so complex we are not black and white we are talking about Shadow work and look what Jonah says want to bring to all of you she says and I quote her I'm reading here from uh from the psychology of gratitude when one hates someone the shadow experiences the suspicion that the other hates them and wishes to harm them in a defense mechanism animosity is then born when love is expressed so the other part of the the cortex provides organic well-being expanding the possibilities for the growth of the self our uh higher self leading to health so she's telling in just this sentence that uh you know very profound because uh also she says when when we hate when we are someone and I would say some aspects of when hate overcomes us right it's say sometimes an aspect of myself of course I won't be able to deal with that if I don't want and if I'm not brave enough because it's oh everybody's so brave to struggle with people outside of themselves but the real um challenge is to struggle with our own Shadows with things that we don't like of you know and we don't want actually to realize that we have so I think he what happened at that point he came in contact with his own Duality yeah his own uncertainty and he couldn't integrate so he split he dissociated and of course he was projecting you know

so I think he what happened at that point he came in contact with his own Duality yeah his own uncertainty and he couldn't integrate so he split he dissociated and of course he was projecting you know this uh this part of and those are all defense mechanism right to to dissociate to to to remove himself etc etc this is all things that we all do hence the fact that all of us have to do some Shadow work all of us and look what J says because you talked about why why is she talking about the Shadow and gratitude yes she says the Gratitude is the expression of love Yeah psychologically speaking not this love that oh I love you I love you but you know I don't care I don't mind like I invite someone to my house but I don't give the address you know I love you come and take some tea with me sometime but oh oops I forgot to give you the address you know it's just an example but that deep love that creates you know creates a deep emotional psychological spiritual connection you know that connects all of us that uh broadens our world viiew uh makes us expand our Consciousness because the other what I do uh to one of my brothers or sisters I really do to my myself because I recognize all of them uh you know Humanity as my family so Jonah says gratitude is a moral experience not a cerebral one and gratitude is a moral experience of the self our higher self higher Consciousness not of the ego since the former so our higher self is of divine or origin and the later of human nature feelings are inherited egoic feelings generators of the cha of the Shadow like jealousy like you know envy and all of that as well as Sublime ones which Fosters the self right so I just wanted uh to to to you know reflect with you guys with you and everybody that is listening to us why Janna talk so much about the shadow when she talks about gratitude what's going on in our days yeah that we need to understand that you know the shadow work is so so important because our personal Shadow is totally connected to our Collective Shadow so if

t gratitude what's going on in our days yeah that we need to understand that you know the shadow work is so so important because our personal Shadow is totally connected to our Collective Shadow so if I'm screaming at you Mara I won't scream at you it's just an image that I hate right look how this is important I'm feeling the hate inside myself so of course that is an expression of some of my complex everything is interconnected inside of us also our complex our archetypes so uh okay and then I'm my shadow that's one of my complex together with some other complex that is feeling that hurt and because to hate hurts it's not something good right so I screaming at you Mar I hate you I hate you because I feeling that you are you don't like me because I'm not liking myself but what happens if we go deeper all of this we could um we could put Freud freuden psychoanalysis to understand we were talking about defense mechanism but now comes Yung that goes deeper in our sight so when I'm you know overcome I'm possessed by my shadow aspect screaming at you I hate you and then of course um my shadow is connected to the collective Shadow so if we put together everything that we know about spiritis knowledge and what Joanna brings brings to us spiritist knowledge together with spiritist psychology and also she brings a lot of yan psycholog to all this connection what's what's going to happen is that uh we are now vibrating and tuned to the collective Shadow and the collect and the hatred that is part of the collectic Shadow because it's a human experience that we are trying to illuminate to integrate and to say we are not enemies we don't have to fight each other uh but we are brothers and sisters and we can love each other so but I can only learn how to love in this Duo world that we are living and growing and evolving if I understand that this is love this is not love this is to hate and to hate is like it's a kind of love because it's when love gets sick we say yes we can say so that's the dark side

g and evolving if I understand that this is love this is not love this is to hate and to hate is like it's a kind of love because it's when love gets sick we say yes we can say so that's the dark side but the love that it's that creates that it's light and that we want to connect will only be really strong within us when we understand whoops here is my shadow aspect here it's what I still have to learn about loving and I will learn because I already love this and that and that person and then so I can expand the way that I love to all of even people that don't agree with me does that make sense it and I was thinking even it's the power right when we we decide to integrate the various aspects that we are right all the flaws all the vulnerabilities all the the the the the the things that I don't want to see in myself but I I am those uh and I do I embark in the shadow work then I start to integrate but the process of integration if I I am to put the words into what you're saying to all of us is uh also a transformative process and and what I mean by that is you're moving neg So Co so-called or coined or judged as negative feelings negative emotions negative U Tendencies Etc ET into positive on still as you said in a duality type of uh of view of who we are but in in moving negativity into positivity now we get to a point that we can really start to look at ourselves with gratitude and I think that's masterful um how join and the angels in this book about gratitude sees that change and uh discuss this uh shadow in as part of this psychological mechanism to to make us feel better right yes exactly because she uses many examples in some of other of her books about um connecting the gospel and psychology because Mar if I I understand that that person is uh not me at that point but that that other person is talk is screaming at me because that person is struggling with inner conflicts that is just being projected onto myself but it's not part of my reality anymore for instance if I'm

that other person is talk is screaming at me because that person is struggling with inner conflicts that is just being projected onto myself but it's not part of my reality anymore for instance if I'm doing Shadow work then I don't have to connect and I don't have to take personally you know it's not person beautiful yeah it's beautiful hear that right yeah yeah yeah and I can I can have patience that's a spiritual value I can give my brother or sister the time that he or she needs to do their own shadow work right and I can be merciful I can be compassionate this so that's turning the the dark into light you know what yeah we know that we have a discuss here many movies and all this stuff when we talked about and we to talk about movies but today I just came with an example but how do I how do I help a brother or sister to illuminate their own shadow yeah uh to illuminating my own shadow not simple as that simple as that right simple not taking personally and understanding that we are all here doing the same work I would say that yeah I wanted to I know we're at time but I wanted to maybe spend a few minutes talking a little bit because uh we started with Yung right um and just to as a reminder for all of us to understand that the Carl gusta Yung the the Swiss uh psychologist psychiatrist and uh uh who brought to us this amazing gift of Union psychology and uh so good to know how he and Jonah the Angeles are so close in how they bring topics such as shadow shadow work but uh he believed that it is quite um important and necessary for all of us to Embark in this work which is simply said in so many words this push this drive this impulse for us to become aware of all of our repressed contents and of course you cannot get to all of them right an it it it's the more you do the more you do and and but he he correlates the work this awareness of repress content so that right so that we can get into the individuation which is a requirement or or an end goal so when we if I can talk

you do and and but he he correlates the work this awareness of repress content so that right so that we can get into the individuation which is a requirement or or an end goal so when we if I can talk a little bit about uh this process of individuation which is Central to his psychology I I I'm reminded that it's a journey right uh that is one that is uh surrounds this idea of selfrealization that uh the idea of integration of the unconscious with the conscious mind and as we're so close to to concluding our topic today I just wanted to know some of the key components that we we we know of that um yion psychology in this topic is integration of the self which is one right reconciling those parts in our psyche and our Persona right um our social masks that we wear the Shadow or repressed traits the feminine and masculine sides that we have like anima Animas I love when you talk about it by the way an so it's really to to to to work in it so we can create a balanced idea of self right a a holistic view of our s but to do this we should be able as a as a mechanism for shadow work is to explore explore our unconscious which is not the faint of heart right right it is we need to to think of ourselves as Pioneers because it will require confronting and even engaging with our what's hidden from ourselves and uh I love it uh and you talk so well as well about this topic which is how do I do this well uh based on Yung he will talk about the dream interpretation looking at your instincts or your emotions repressed or not and all the symbols that uh you you can access from our unconscious mind right and then of course Shadow work proper which is um part of quite significant part of the process of individuation which is again recognizing and integrating the the the shadow uh acknowledging everything that we are accepting and being grateful which is so awesome right being grateful for finding all the undesirable parts of who we are and learning to understand learning to accept learning to love who we are I

re accepting and being grateful which is so awesome right being grateful for finding all the undesirable parts of who we are and learning to understand learning to accept learning to love who we are I love it um but uh do you have any any additional topics that You' like to talk about in terms of the shedow work for before we CL yeah I would um I think we are in the end so just to because I think you sumarize beautifully uh so I would people that want to take a look can Google it just wanted to remind uh everybody that uh Yung because we were talking about projection and things like that so when Yung um analyzed that and was reflecting about that he came in in contact with medieval texts about alchemy yeah and he uses the the symbolism of the alchemical process okay that we all know that it's the alchemical process in medieval times and they aimed The Alchemist to transform common uh nonprecious Metals into gold so Yung uh came across the the text and he found totally um the the inspiration to talk about the analytical process that includes and it's the first step of the analytical process that U you you brought the name of individuation to people that maybe haven't come across with the concept that it's we could say that it's uh the development but it's not exactly the P of the personality is the psych the whole of the psych for us to become whole in this lifetime uh to unite the opposing sides of our psych you know as much as we can because it's hard all this process of the conscious Consciousness getting closer to the unconscious to understand in a more um you know a more united unified way our psych and also of this uh let's say conversation between our egos and ourselves the higher self but the the metaphor that use uh Yung uses for this all this process of individuation of becoming whole in this life uh he uses the symbolism of the alemic process in the most important point of the analytical process for Yung is this transformation of the common ma uh matters of

ation of becoming whole in this life uh he uses the symbolism of the alemic process in the most important point of the analytical process for Yung is this transformation of the common ma uh matters of unexamined projected experience into the go of a more unified personal personally integrated experience so I think it's not it's not merely uh to resolve you know our in identified and in fraud in psychoanalysis our defenses and what we are projecting and our inner conflicts but to transform you know that common Metals uh our Darkness our petty issues you know into um into the gold of our experience in in this unification of everything that we are then I'm positive that we will get to the point as Janna calls us to expand our Consciousness to that that Cosmic Consciousness that we need this unification let's say but inside of us not outside outside we will live with opposites that it's cool people because then we learn about ourselves and we learn through others also you know all this diversity that our living experiences provides to us and to all of all of humanity so that's nice that's okay uh but U let let's have o let's open our minds and hearts to this beautiful experience of learning with each other not fighting each other I would say absolutely absolutely and uh the idea here is this process the individuation process that Yung brings to us is a lifelong process right and uh and as such it is marked often enough by different phases for example of exploration and then struggles and fights but then growth and ultimately it's the process that will lead us to that authentic and integrated self I I like to to think here anay is that this is the call the invitation for all of us to know ourselves or know thyself and as such the individual ation is is here to to to help us achieve I would even say a personal and ethical Enlightenment because it guides us toward a more meaningful and by meaningful I I mean finding meaning finding the the the symbolic meaning to everything that we go through but

a personal and ethical Enlightenment because it guides us toward a more meaningful and by meaningful I I mean finding meaning finding the the the symbolic meaning to everything that we go through but leading to a fulfilled life right but I want to just close it here because we are at time and just say this for everyone here if this is the first time you have uh been with us listening to our program please note that the psychology in spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna the angelist so we hope that you're able to perhaps expand your own spirituality cont concepts by just opposing them in this psychological lens that we're bringing here we want to also thank our sponsors manando Cino the United States Spirits Federation the international Spirits Council and I'm in Brazil which is the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist association we hope to see you next time thank you everyone byebye thank you