Ep 52 - Reconciliation

hi everyone welcome to the psychology in spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia trano and with me are Dr an fona and Jada corn go thank you for being here in this program if this is the first time that you are listening watching this podcast like program please note that uh our program this program psychology and spirituality are comprised of weekly talks and they're based on the works by Joanna deangeles and we're here through this discussions these discussions uh today we're going to be talking about reconciliation but these discussions are here to really open up a safe space so that we can confront compare compare correlate and most importantly expand our Concepts our Notions about spirituality from a psychological lens and in doing so bringing insights to our lives today Dr Na and Jada will discuss various aspects of reconciliation and I wanted to just bring a notion here in 1995 so we're talking about what almost 30 years South Africa's new parliament passed a law and that law authorized the formation of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission which was chaired by Archbishop demon tutu with a Central purpose of promoting reconciliation and forgiveness among all those who were perhaps perpetrated trors or the victims of the regime the apide what I'd like to bring to us for this discussion here is that the Central purpose of this commission was to promote indeed reconciliation and forgiveness and to do so by bringing to full disclosure of the truth the TRC as it is called took the testimony of approximately 21,000 victims and two of those went into public hearings those public hearings were filmed and it's an amazing documentation of the power of forgiveness and how forgiveness can lead to reconciliation so this episode today is dedicated to Nelson Mandela in his leadership through reconciliation but before we start our conversation I would like to recognize the organizations that are sponsoring our program please note that we appreciate TV mans cin the United States

hip through reconciliation but before we start our conversation I would like to recognize the organizations that are sponsoring our program please note that we appreciate TV mans cin the United States spirs Federation the international Spirits Council and Amy Brazil and if you haven't done so please hit subscribe and if you want to maybe access additional information check us out at www.sp spiritist us if you have any questions feedback critique anything please put your thoughts in the chat window we' love to hear from you if we don't have time to address them today we will address in the near future but we appreciate that but I wanted to welcome both of you Jada and anay and I just want to let you know that I just recently read read an article about Nelsa Mandela and this enormous power of forgiveness and Reconciliation and what I want us to maybe reflect upon this man that is our contemporary right his ability to to forgive which was the trademark the Highlight the most important and remarkable aspect of his character remembering that he spent 27 years years imprisoned and he was tortured for the majority of of those years after that he emerged with a heart that could have been but was not tainted by bitterness so let's think about because his willingness to forgive all of those who were oppressors for him and his people he came out with this sense of this notion of love and in it he was not seen as a weak person but he demonstrated this remarkable notion of strength of character so forgiveness in his eyes just meant according to the article um ability to break a cycle of hatred in violence and he understood that we all all of us you and me can Harbor resentment we can even seek revenge for those that hurt us profoundly but in doing so all we're trying to do is perpetuating this cycle and the suffering from the cycle so when we choose the path of reconciliation we understand that we are becoming closer to one another and become stronger as Spirit woo a mouthful but I was just thinking and I'm

fering from the cycle so when we choose the path of reconciliation we understand that we are becoming closer to one another and become stronger as Spirit woo a mouthful but I was just thinking and I'm thinking about you Jada because um when I read this article about Mandela I also remembered that uh Joanna d'angeles books in general but there's one book in particular that she brings this topic uh front and center in one of the chapters and uh and of course uh you know we we cannot for forget that incredible example of humanity that Jesus Christ our guide our model brought to us right but uh I was thinking can you maybe talk about how this topic relate to for example to the notion of spiritual and psychological sacrifice for those that cannot make those connections you hi uh so first of all hello everyone it's so great for us to be here again together with my dear dear sisters of heart an and Marcia and uh as always it's a uh it's um a joy for us to be talking about those this topic or those topics that we bring here to understand more about ourselves inspired by the benefactors Z Angeles under the light of psychology and um I was thinking that when you were talking about nelso Mandela actually I had this the chance to see him once and hear him talk in in England and it was quite an experience I was mesmerized by that and I it's I I guess one of the Privileges that I had in life and uh one can only think that a person like this has to be guided by a l ideal because being able B to withstand everything that he went through survive and not only that but think about others that would be in lesser position than himself and still fight not to gain privilege or to you know to conquer positions in wars and utilizing any kind of violence to do so he decides to go through a way of reconciliation and for that to happen one has first to reconcile with oneself correct yeah um I think it's the first step when we you do that uh because most of us if we are suffering any kind of

y of reconciliation and for that to happen one has first to reconcile with oneself correct yeah um I think it's the first step when we you do that uh because most of us if we are suffering any kind of thing that we will consider to be Injustice uh Injustice we would say I don't deserve that and I mean we will have our our ego completely hurt and uh not pass um after you know this we we would just be in an attitude of I'm IND dignified by all everything that people are doing and the thing is uh when we think about his example he was not doing or asking these questions like you know why me why am I was I born in this kind of position in this racial profile and and and this is what really amazes Us in this sense but on the other hand it would be very unfair just to think oh he was a special person he was so much Superior than I I was and I mean you know there are those peoples that I don't know why you know they they have more um possibility of endurance this and that which is an excuse because not to assume like you said that he had to make sacrifices to sacrifice his ego to to reconcile with himself of not being in a position that at that point he couldn't have done much just later on in life and the Joan deangel is in in this book that we are talking about today and especially you know this topic reconciliation she starts the paragraph by saying that Jesus entire Ministry uh it was marked by strictness and vigor of its principle so it is we have principles when you we have to stick by it so we start with tasks it's not Mission it's tasks no missionary thought that one day he would be named as a missionary and so when the resolution presents itself whatever the resolution may be and in this case we are discussing you know to appease our ego our pride and think about the big picture there are things that play here that are so much more important than just my heart ego right I'm thinking about a community I'm thinking about a country I'm thinking about all those people that

icture there are things that play here that are so much more important than just my heart ego right I'm thinking about a community I'm thinking about a country I'm thinking about all those people that are involved so once we are we have this idea this Mission this set of principle that it is to go and do something in this respect we will um be ask it you know by ourselves by the circumstances should dedicate ourselves okay I chose my path but I know that in order for me to do that I'll have to sacrifice a lot of things and I have to understand that not everyone is going to be on my side and pet me my shoulders so it requires much Consciousness about what you think is righteousness and so many challenges are going to be presented and we have to have the courage to go towards this direction when we talk about Jesus when we talk about his followers it's exactly about that about acknowledging the way of righteousness and not measuring any kind of sacrifice in order to do that and in order to do that we have to like I said before become Conde with our ourselves saying you know this is what I need to do and I will set put aside my everything my personality traits that will be in the way and I just this thank you thank you Jara um anay do you want to talk a little bit more about it or I was just having some thoughts in my head H go ahead a lot of things here listening to you guys because I've been to Cape Town in South Africa and also hansburg uh many years ago and looking at the island when where Nels Mandela was uh um you know uh was in prison and it's so difficult to get there and imagining uh Decades of being in prison in the N well of course as a young analyst I'm also looking at the symbols you know no man is an island we are all connected but then you are in that in an island um apart from everyone and from the life that you have led I think it's very important that just said about you know um it's kind of finding your yourself right finding your purpose in life and connecting to what we have been

d from the life that you have led I think it's very important that just said about you know um it's kind of finding your yourself right finding your purpose in life and connecting to what we have been calling here in our talks the higher self yung's self with Capal s and what a lot of people call the higher self our spirit Jonah J says uh Yung self is the spirit right so uh because he was in the island and from what I remember Marcia and just uh he had only a bi the bible to read right it was something like that the only book that he had to read I heard that or read that many years ago but it was the Bible or something like that and he stayed um he meditated a lot I'm thinking also the connections uh that we we all the all the researches that we have about the brain and about you know uh being uh meditate people that meditate a lot or pray a lot you know and have this inner silence achieve this inner silence where we can contact get in contact with like the voice capital V for one of the symbols of the self okay of our spirit so when you get the connection the the ego as you said was saying like slow down it slows down you know because um you don't have anywhere to go you don't you are a you know you are apart from everything that you knew so uh something inside of you has time to you know to reson to flourish and in the ego then of course we'll have to to go through a lot of suffering you were asking about the Suffering The Sacrifice yeah that in Latin it's a sacred work the the word sacrifice in Latin uh means sacred work right but what's the sacred work is to what we are here to do each one of us to find your ourselves to so that our spirit can flourish and we can manifest the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is starting in our inner world right because we are co-creators in a sense that we create our reality every day so if I find my inner peace and my inner H Harmony because Jah j in this beautiful chapter about reconciliation she talks about lucid Consciousness yes us psycho therapist

create our reality every day so if I find my inner peace and my inner H Harmony because Jah j in this beautiful chapter about reconciliation she talks about lucid Consciousness yes us psycho therapist psych psychiatrist psychologist whatever uh she uh she is giving us challenges you know just so we go over Concepts and look in a different way so it's great that because I was thinking what does you know she mean by uh Lucid Consciousness can you can you help us as well what did she mean by that well I tried to you know to make some contact with my higher self and maybe Joanna of course you will be always helping in us when we we ask please help me here through some insight or intuitions and what I realize because she's talking about uh Jesus teachings yeah and the the gospel right the the good news and which are the good news that um that Jesus were bringing to us that we really have as spiritist knowledge brings to us so many by through alard de's uh um codification of the communication of all the spirits and all other uh mediums that came later on uh that we have this knowledge of the laws of God inside of us right and I would love to see to hear J talk a little bit more about that and so the main the main law I would think is the law of love we cannot forgive anyone if we don't understand right what's going on but uh not only in the situation and uh the people involved because we know we have been talking here about the ego the mechanisms of Defense the way that we project onto each other a lot of things that are are in our unconscious personal unconscious and things like that we protect ourselves against our shadows Janna Jes is always talking about the Shadow the collective Shadows also our individual Shadows so we are not supposed to serve our shadows and forgiveness and Reconciliation has uh you know they they have these aspects have a lot of our Psych College have a lot to do as Jah is uh showing us in this beautiful chapter with this Lucid Consciousness uh that which she's I

tion has uh you know they they have these aspects have a lot of our Psych College have a lot to do as Jah is uh showing us in this beautiful chapter with this Lucid Consciousness uh that which she's I think she means to tell us because she's keeps telling us that we should pay attention first of all to ourselves when we feel hurt that someone is hurting us right for Nelson Mandela I'm quite sure he was you know in in when he was young with an idea of you know a lot of unjustice in his um brother with his brothers and sisters and a lot of hatred from one side to the other and so of course when his ego was in charge let's say he would be reasoning in this sense uh victim and oppressor for instance correct uh right and um so we are in a duality me against the world against the other right and Joanna is uh pointing out is showing us that um Jesus was teaching us about first of all what is love the love uh um you know uh through our to ourselves uh towards others towards ourselves towards others and what does that represent it's not only the mind that has to say well this is wrong some what somebody did to me or said about me or it doesn't like me because this and that because I represent this and that okay we have to reason but if we stay only in the reason reasoning that a lot of people are doing that that and are caught in Duality because I defend this point of view the other defend that point of view and then the other is my enemy and I hate that person because this the cancel thing in the in the social medias all this stuff so okay I'm caught in Duality how am I going to love love thy enemy yes yeah how am I going to do that if I'm to caught in this dual uh perspective of the world and of ourselves so I'm going against the law of Love Of course so what I when I was thinking about lucid Consciousness I think she wants to invite us to under to better understand and understand from the psych psychological point of view because we are in a psych our soul the psych is our spirit is here

Consciousness I think she wants to invite us to under to better understand and understand from the psych psychological point of view because we are in a psych our soul the psych is our spirit is here reincarnated suffering all um the traumas and conflicts of being here but also learning and also learning how you know how to uh to to have more light more Consciousness to have more love and all this so what does she mean about lucid conscious I think she said stay not only with your mind Discerning things trying to understand but remember that the heart has a knowledge of its own and the heart we we have learned in the scientific research quite recently but I think it's probably more than one decade I can't remember that the heart has neurons we thought that only the brain had neurons the heart has neurons that's incredible it's incredible and it's totally another logic know we are not because we kind of mapped the brain we know the part that uh it's connected you know that you're supposed to talk and write so and we know the right hemisphere the left hemisphere all this stuff the the part of the brain that is um responsible for our talking here our reasoning we know all that and it's important but we don't know we know very little about the intelligence let's say the wisdom the memory the reasoning the knowledge of the heart yeah even from the point of the medical feel and so because it's very recent This research that are showing that the heart for instance have neurons so uh but what I'm thinking that the the mind in our reasoning that the mind is like is dominated by a govern ruled by our egos and our egos are in the The Duality because it's our egos now the part of our Consciousness that it's um here okay the the center of our conscious that it here living this life trying to adjust to this life having relationships Discerning things learning okay all of this is the ego and is doing okay a job important job for the spirit to have this experience but our ego is a small part

adjust to this life having relationships Discerning things learning okay all of this is the ego and is doing okay a job important job for the spirit to have this experience but our ego is a small part of our Consciousness so it could not I was thinking again I'm all this thinking is about it's is a Joanna's challenge to to everything that we learn so could not have this Lucidity the ego because it's suffers a lot of traumas and a lot of uh you know it's um it's subjected to the childhood experiences traumas conflicts and all of this so how do we get to this Lucidity that Joanna is asking us to like just was saying to like Nelson Mandela achieved in his life that really changed the whole country and give this wonderful example that you were uh uh you talked about and you reminded us because of the heart and I think what happen with n because the heart has a nondual knowledge and wisdom and Yun says that the heart has a memory it's not his exact words but people can put in the Google to see the exact words uh but he says that the heart has a knowledge much more important and exact uh precise knowledge of what is good for the soul than the mind and why is that because in your heart you know how you feel you know if you are feeling joyful if you are feeling happy if you're are feeling sad if you're feeling depressed you know in your heart your soul we say the tears right are cleaning your soul or are showing the sadness in your soul so the heart has this knowledge let's say so I think what happened and I think that's the Lucidity that Joanna is asking know yourself analyze yourself first and first of all before you try to discern if the people oh it's it was an injustice towards yourself or what what was going on this will be important for you to have an understanding right a reasoning about you know and to know better yourself and know better the others this is very important but I think the first step is to connect to you what you feel and understand that no matter what people do

about you know and to know better yourself and know better the others this is very important but I think the first step is to connect to you what you feel and understand that no matter what people do to you the person that is feeling it's not the other that did this or that is yourself so why am I feeling like this another great sentence that Yung says is that I'm not what happened to me I'm what I choose to do what with what happened to me so I think Nelson Mandela is a beautiful example he chose and just like just was saying he chose to do differently he put his energy in understanding but not only with the mind he got this Lucidity of Consciousness that Janna is asking us because he had a lot of time to meditate to analyze himself even to connect with some religious aspect that it's not so much the texts the text is the way for a sacred text that can help us to connect um you know it's a can be a path but the important thing is that is to make this connection to your inner knowledge that it's first of all expressed by the heart and all Jesus teachings are non Duo because he teaches with the heart he teaches about the LA first of all the law of love so I have already talked a lot but I would love you and jar what you have to say about that can can I say something just because you're triggering some thoughts before uh just maybe you can talk about the love love which is beautiful Notions here but uh I was thinking reconciliation and forgiveness does not it's not required if there is not an offense right uh uh and an offense just means something is wrong in absolute terms so Joanna d'angeles and it I believe discussions of guilt is actually uh in peppered in its entire work right the collection the psych the psychological series is peppered with discussions on guilt but if you think in terms guilt we always look about uh guilt for what I've done to you external but Joanna brings to us this idea that uh we also need to ensure we are accessing our deep unconscious to be able to then look at

guilt we always look about uh guilt for what I've done to you external but Joanna brings to us this idea that uh we also need to ensure we are accessing our deep unconscious to be able to then look at our own guilt that we bring with us in regards to our sense of inadequacy I being inadequate to my life's mission for example or I've been inadequate in how I love myself or don't love myself so and so forth so beyond what I do or do not do wrong that requires a sense of forgiveness to ourselves or to the other in reconciliation I think that lucid Consciousness that you're talking about anay really has to do with this deep uh ability to deeply connect with oneself and reach that uh not just your um personal Shadow but also that deep unconscious that we bring with this with us that may be completely hidden from us but it's not it we we we bring in our heart so Jada I'm throwing to you can we talk a little bit about love and and this beautiful notion of the law of Love um yeah while you were guys were talking about love I mean there is always so much to say about it it's a small word and the majority of languages as far as I know uh but that means so much and I was thinking that um you know what is love to me according to my interpretation all right uh it's the raw material that God uh utilizes to create everything so when I think about love is the emanation of God it's it's everything and of course in our understanding limited way of seeing it we we classify it as being more related to almost a material thing than a spiritual thing I I I don't recall it quite well but I know that for this sentiment the Greek had seven different words to express love exactly going very much like my Mo it's when he he talks about charity the eight levels of Charity so the Greeks put classify it in seven stag of seven kinds of love but uh we know we understand but it it is not in us yet and one day it will U probably not like being a raw material like Gods can use because we don't have the we will never

ag of seven kinds of love but uh we know we understand but it it is not in us yet and one day it will U probably not like being a raw material like Gods can use because we don't have the we will never have the power to create but we know that we can be co-created and when we talk about it and talk about um reconciliation that comes after forgiveness you know the um assessment of what it is that I have uh against someone against the world against a certain attitude that or that I you know habits that I can find in the world and um I I I think it's very important for us to to think about that and everything is a according to our own view that's why I think that when when J of the angelist mentions Lucid Consciousness that in a way when you read that you say she's being redundant Consciousness means already I'm you know being aware why why is it listen Lucid you know it's already there but the thing is and if we are telling the truth to to ourselves we always have a blindsight when analyzing ourselves analyzing you know the things that we do so lcid Consciousness May or Consciousness or Lucid Lucidity may work when we are analyzing others but when we are analy Iz in ourselves I guess we need all the objectives that we can have just to be sure that we are not going to lose track of it so when I'm thinking about love to humanity love to creation and um and thinking about the importance of our relationship with the world and how whatever I do matters that was the thought of Nelson Mandela because he could be selfish and just uh you know become a victim but he said what I do is an example I mean it may trigger you know res positive responses from other so when I'm thinking about this uh emotions that I have they are not compatible with the love God that goes in the wrong direction in the opposite way and now with this Lucid Consciousness I I realize that I'm damaging myself I am impairing my progress I'm holding grudges that are only harmful to me so the process of forgiveness starts starting with

and now with this Lucid Consciousness I I realize that I'm damaging myself I am impairing my progress I'm holding grudges that are only harmful to me so the process of forgiveness starts starting with ourselves because I will have to say I know why I feel all that because I'm I'm I'm not perfect I I mean I have a long way to go and then I extend start extending that to people that are loved ones because oh boy we do have you know things with our loved ones it's not just the enemy right it's the loved ones also so that we have Petty things that we say I'm not never going to forgive and the step to reconciliation which is a huge step and Jesus said it made it so clear when he said before you make any offer to God if you think this is important reconciling with one another is so much more because otherwise your thinking but you're not doing you know the nrow of your heart is are not at work here and this is what really matters this is awesome I I really appreciate that just any any additional thoughts because this is amazing discussion on how the interconnectedness of Love Consciousness forgiveness but most important the need to reconcile otherwise nothing matters right J nothing matters it's it's imperative that you start with it before we can progress yes and I think it's uh great that you said I said um because first of all we have to reconcile with ourselves because we if we don't do that of course things will happen and people will hurt us but if I'm not in this with myself if I I don't achieve my inner harmony let's say as Nelson Mandela did yeah uh I first I will suffer more because then I don't have the you know the uh the knowledge about about myself the resilience and the understanding the the New Perspective that I Think Jesus brings to us through the gospel right that it's a a a different way to understand to perceive to reflect upon ourselves upon the world upon you know our lives what we are doing here so he he brings really a new paradigm that uh we are 2,000 years

s a a a different way to understand to perceive to reflect upon ourselves upon the world upon you know our lives what we are doing here so he he brings really a new paradigm that uh we are 2,000 years later still striving to understand and J is trying to help us with all the knowledge of psychology right but I wanted to read here what Joanna says that we have um this is Joanna's saying right from the perspective of that psychology she says forg forgiveness transcends M superficiality or social Imaging it signifies surpassing feelings of retaliation vengefulness and hatred by achieving a seamless integration of oneself that was exactly what J was saying right it involves maintaining internal peace despite the challenging and often often distressing nature of interpersonal relationships forgiveness involves enduring internal Tranquility amid external disturbances so that's why think for Nelson Mandel was so important those years of prison for his spirit and I think just Mara that we can with the reason that Joanna is asking us to do with the knowledge through the spiritist knowledge that he brought in his higher self in his Spirit the knowledge that he would have to give an example of course his ego when he was young didn't know about that right uh but at some point in our lives it will happen like a calling a Awakening A lot of people are talking these days about Awakening uh and The Awakening is a process that it's a psychological and spiritual process of something that happens challenges in my ego and my life my personality also my psych uh and Jonah saying ref reflect before you know in in the face of challenges say so our capacity of doing this really deep reflection when we are challenged uh in life of course it hurts of course we get mad we all have egos some people are more traumatized than others and we have complexes and we have you know different experience that will come up to to the surface like you know to our Consciousness but that's the job people that's the job is to analyze ourselves

and we have complexes and we have you know different experience that will come up to to the surface like you know to our Consciousness but that's the job people that's the job is to analyze ourselves to not judging ourselves you know to uh having patience with ourselves be being kind to ourselves loving ourselves in first of all in this uh for that just said it it is creating creating life spiritual life and Jesus comes with the gospel to teach us to not get stuck in material things you know and to understand what is love what is God what is evolution what is our you know this communion of brothers and sisters that are you our humanity and this beautiful beautiful planet and experience that we have that hurts sometimes because we are still ignorant so to in a sense like spiritual we always say not not children teenagers let's say we are evolving right so I think this is very important uh to understand what Jan is saying that for forgiveness and Reconciliation as J said that come next uh has to be done first of all with ourselves we our with our dark aspects and I think Nels Mandela did this very well in his ears of solitude so much so that he uh got really friends with the guard that was uh you know his oppressor let's say yeah would take him to walks and from what I remember that people told me in South Africa they had great talks and they really got to be friends so don't we want and need this to with all everybody among all the peoples the different cultures right because that's the path to be really creating heaven on Earth yeah so I think it's a wonderful chapter I I know and uh we are at time unfortunately this is such a great conversation but I just wanted to maybe leave this invitation to all of us because it is and and we we also read um this notion from Joanna d'angeles she calls it really revolutionary to get into this new paradigm new way of thinking new way of Behaving um this Awakening as you mentioned an toward love love is this extraordinary driver to

d'angeles she calls it really revolutionary to get into this new paradigm new way of thinking new way of Behaving um this Awakening as you mentioned an toward love love is this extraordinary driver to forgiveness and to also to attain reconciliation with ourselves and all of those that we may deem to be our oppressors or whatever is out there but before I close today I just want to ask or leave open does uh you want to give you a final thought I have a lot of a lot to think about it and uh I I think it's a very good topic for you know this beginning of the year absolutely about reconciliation absolutely an well I just wanted to say that um and thanks everybody for being in especially to dear friends uh that having this opportunity to talk about this in a world that uh is still suffering with shadows right but that we should have faith and it's of of course I would talk about the synchronicity you all know that I talk a lot about synchronicity but I think it's a it's one of the you know ways that we get in contact with h this transpersonal Dimension where uh we find messages of our mentors and Spirit guides and I was watching a series that it's uh with Jesus about jesus' life and I today before I came here to talk with you and talk with everybody that's watching us I just put in in a scene that Jesus was healing a man who had a leg uh you know he was crippled and his leg was awful was smelling and Jesus was in the middle of a lot of people that really didn't want to hear him there was this um difficulty and he is in the beginning of his teachings and supposed Miracles that we know were not in a sense that miracles for the ego but were this beautiful being uh expressing and teaching us uh the law of love and he says to this guy this guy comes he cannot walk um uh he's in crutches and cannot run he would love to run and things like that cannot walk and everybody's because the guy's a smelling the leg is rotten and all this stuff and Jesus comes to him and says I see you looking straight in his eyes so

love to run and things like that cannot walk and everybody's because the guy's a smelling the leg is rotten and all this stuff and Jesus comes to him and says I see you looking straight in his eyes so I think now so Mandela developed we were talking about individuation developed this ability to see further and this is the Awakening so that we can you know try to do like Jesus first of all say to ourselves I see you I see myself I see the pain I see the joy I see my capacities my vocations talents and things like that I see my sorrows I see everything I integrate I forgive myself I reconcile with myself first of all and then I can look my brother or sister in the eyes and say like Jesus said I see you I think when we are capable of doing that without being caught in this Duality and divisions then we will have heaven on Earth because we are going to see each other with the knowledge of the heart so we are going to really see each other as brothers and sisters oh that's beautiful well with that thank you thank you everyone I hope that uh you have enjoyed as much as I have this past few minutes that we're together and we will be here again next week bye everyone