Ep 36 - Loving and Learning to Let Go

hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia Tano and with me is Peter Hayes Peter is the president of spiritous group love and night Newark New Jersey and I just want to say thank you Peter for coming back to our program it's such an honor to be here with you I know you have such an impressive background and I I want to just remind um of that to those of you who may not have met or heard Peter before so his background includes discussions lectures participation in conferences about spiritism and um in addition to that he has contributed with over 60 episodes of the radio program living Spring through the cardak radio he's also uh very interesting has had a very interesting role with the spirit's book um he was in the uh editorial staff right uh of the US spirs Federation and currently Peter you are serving at in the board of directors for the spiritist US spir Federation as well as the tri State spiritist Federation thank you thank you Peter for everything thank you Mar it's pleasure to be here absolutely thank you but uh this is if this is the first time you're watching this podcast like program please note that our program psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the work by Joanna deangeles and they're here to offer you and me and Peter this safe space to confront compare correlate and expand on our spirituality Concepts from a psychological lens but also bringing some additional insights that can help us lead a better life and today's episode is brought to you by our friends at Spirits spiritist group love and light and please if you want to know more about this organization visit them at love andlight nj.org overall the program is sponsored by four organizations and they are omy Brazil TV man C the international spiritist Council and the United States Spirits Federation make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't done so already but Peter back to you now we're here to discuss a little bit about uh Concepts

nal spiritist Council and the United States Spirits Federation make sure you hit subscribe if you haven't done so already but Peter back to you now we're here to discuss a little bit about uh Concepts perhaps of well-being right wellbeing but from perhaps different perspectives um how Peter can we connect perhaps uh sickness and everything that happens to this this body with mental physical and spiritual health so I would like to maybe bring us before I ask you to to maybe explore that uh Peter just to to you know remember a little bit about uh just you know in the beginning of the aftermath of a terrible pandemic right coid 19 that uh just paralyzed uh in fear but also through the tremendous impact right a global pandemic of of that uh of that proportion um and none of us were safe no matter what right and I'm thinking what did this pandemic teach us what are maybe if we think about Peter other Behavioral or other mental uh and well-being that got impacted uh because of it as a matter of fact even before we think about it let's think a little bit about other example if we think in terms of I'm okay I eat well I sleep I exercise I have good jees right everything is good I go to my annual checkup I have a great health system available to me I am good or am I there are other external threats right and uh just to name a few climate change or pollution uh especially in certain areas of the world right uh uh oh the latest one now is do not eat microprocess Foods they will cause cancer and uh this is on One impact right very evident but what about uh negative impacts from day-to-day stress right all the emotional ups and downs and consequent uh depression anxiety or even if I may say so unsustainable social economic dispar we are Peter a very very vulnerable machine how can we keep this very delicate structure well when there's so much going on outside of us can you tell us a little bit about it I think the short answer is if we can't if we're expecting to somehow be in a Perpetual state of good

e structure well when there's so much going on outside of us can you tell us a little bit about it I think the short answer is if we can't if we're expecting to somehow be in a Perpetual state of good health for instance this may sound really depressing it's not meant to be but Decay is the natural state of things and what I mean by that is that the body will not last forever we all know that true life will not last forever again we all know that but how deep is that impulse to try to act as though that's not the case to somehow fight against it to stress out about it I mean what about the the industry of of trying to keep ourselves looking young cosmetic surgery all that stuff right I I love that if I may just to interact a little bit with with that because it's the one example that comes to my mind every every time uh aging is absolutely unpreventable right and yet we spend so much energy and Beyond energy so much of our uh daytoday trying to uh stop delay the natural aging process and it's like it's a futile uh battle it will age and and I'm I'm right there so I'm dealing with those Concepts in in my mind's eye so good good good example there sorry for the for the interruption um no it's a good point and I think one way to if if we believe that the soul does continue There is a future that our existence is not just about yeah one shot in the physical world one lifetime in the physical world and then we evaporate into nothingness if we really don't think that's true if we feel in our heart of hearts or we know that it's not true that we do continue then it changes our relationship to the physical that doesn't mean that the illnesses that we may encounter are are not very difficult to go through are not very painful at times both emotionally and physically um but if we feel that anything we go through now is temporary and is really just a tiny little dot on a much much much longer line then our willingness to go through whatever we're going through now is I think relatively easier um I

e go through now is temporary and is really just a tiny little dot on a much much much longer line then our willingness to go through whatever we're going through now is I think relatively easier um I mean in the moment it can be difficult but that's different than if you have the attitude of life is just a drag and then you die and that's it can we can we perhaps even give an example to that because I I love that image of a dot in a line right a line is just a series of dots but if if what we're going through even an entire lifetime is just a DOT then that dot is just a DOT right we we we we we move from the micro to the macro what is that line going toward is there dire there drawings there whatever but I I think it's quite interesting if we think from that perspective um to to understand um the the idea that we we are not just this right and uh uh maybe uh if we think in our lives right it's always good to to interject to our own experience but if we think perhaps uh I don't know if you if you went through this Peter but uh that uh Teenage Crush right and you're 12 or 13 and uh you you're you're are brokenhearted by somebody who may be even uh 10 years older than you but it's a crush and you think that's your world is going to end and as the parent of that uh Teenage or or uh Young person knows that it's going to be okay it doesn't change the fact that the moment was so intense and and terrifying but with maturity right emotional psychological maturity we start to look at things from a very different perspective and I think that's what you're trying to to tell us right the the dot within a line it it shifts the perspective on how we see our own suffering or our own uh moments of vulnerability I won't go into a lot of details about this but I remember when I was about 13 or so I witnessed uh a friend of my father's had a brother who was about 16 and he was in a relationship with a woman who was I think in her early 20s so she was older yeah and I guess it was very intense for

witnessed uh a friend of my father's had a brother who was about 16 and he was in a relationship with a woman who was I think in her early 20s so she was older yeah and I guess it was very intense for him and she was trying to end it and I won't say everything that happened but it was obvious that this was just a horrible experience for him and was really really difficult and um it's a little bit like if you've ever been in real physical pain like kidney stones yeah where the pain is so great time slows down yes and it just goes on and on and on and you can feel like it's never going to end of course it will but while it's happening it feels like an eternity and so if we don't have any perspective about the either the infinite or at least that long line in which our existence is much longer and much greater than we see at the very moment because in this physical bodies we're in we're very limited in our capacity to receive all kinds of things but when we live within that limitation then it's it can be very difficult to not see whatever we're going through at the moment as this is it my life is over you know it's like as you said before it's like that Crush you have yeah you know and yet life will move on and yes there is a time time after we've gone through a difficult period in our lives that things will will be better I would hope and so so we have some Concepts right we talked about a little bit about how vulnerable we are right number one but and to compound that uh vulnerability uh we will right we will meet a decay of our systems either by aging or a disease or or even some external Factor an accident or a pandemic or whatever right whatever is outside will be the threat that will uh diminish our vitality and from a material life perspective yeah our will diminish it's a given yes can we pivot our conversation uh maybe because of all that you have done in spiritism um can you maybe tell uh our um viewers today a little bit about some of those concepts of uh spiritism that are fundamental in

our conversation uh maybe because of all that you have done in spiritism um can you maybe tell uh our um viewers today a little bit about some of those concepts of uh spiritism that are fundamental in this discussion and maybe what I'm just to to remind a little bit of the some of the things that I think would be good for us to to talk further are maybe the concept of different bodies yes different bodies is uh maybe a concept that I think is critical for us to understand why we even get sick right which is the the current state of our spiritual Evolution which is called living in the world of Trials and expirations or or or trials and atonement and finally uh the whole notion of uh uh cause and effect or Karma if you will maybe can talk a little bit about it and how do those three or more Concepts spiritist Concepts can uh reverse perhaps how we look at uh those external factors that will impact our healthy uh living as a as a material uh person right a material existence to be a spiritist there's a few things that are essential I think one has to believe that God exists that there is some kind of God all knowing all powerful a god that is compassionate a god that is forgiving that's one also to be a spiritist I think one has to believe and truly feel that we have a spirit and that the spirit does continue that the spirit is Immortal and that means that being a spiritist is embracing reincarnation yet spiritism also uh Believes In following the teachings of Jesus and therefore it Embraces Christianity but spiritism also has elements of Buddhism and Hinduism in it when we think about the process of trying to let go which is what we're really talking about today we learn how to let go of say our relationship to the physical and not to be Overly Attached that's a very good point yeah I mean we shun everything but we have to put it in its perspective that everything part of what being a spiritist means is this everything we have here in the physical lives are bodies the families were currently our

verything but we have to put it in its perspective that everything part of what being a spiritist means is this everything we have here in the physical lives are bodies the families were currently our jobs whether we have any uh whatever our economics situation is our status in society all of that is temporary and all of it is in is an opportunity to learn all kinds of lessons we learn certain lessons based upon the status we have in society our economic status our social status we learn all kinds of lessons through the kinds of families that we're born into the kind of people we have in our families what about the bodies that we're in the body types you had mentioned body types before any body type we have whatever uh we're going through in our bodies all kinds of lessons and I think that's a lot of what what means to be a spiritist is to learn how to be in harmony with that meaning that we learn how to accept what we're going through at the moment without rebelling against it and acting as though we're just being punished another important point that spiritism emphasizes is to see everything we go through as an opportunity rather than just dread I'm being punished the light you know the world is a miserable place so it's um and and when I say that I don't mean that we're somehow poana about everything and we're having this phony idea that everything is wonderful and beautiful and so forth you know of course life is difficult but again everything we go through is an opportunity to learn and if we have the strength to get through it as best we can then we will be that much better off down the road because we have had the ability to complete the task of whatever is in front of us it's really whatever Journey we're on and every single one of us has a unique Journey that is relevant to our history it's relevant to um so when I say relevant to our history you mentioned Karma before well spiritism of course believes in reincarnation and strongly believes in cause and effect but when people people think

elevant to um so when I say relevant to our history you mentioned Karma before well spiritism of course believes in reincarnation and strongly believes in cause and effect but when people people think about Karma sometimes they automatically think of something kind of punitive and it's really not or even equal right eye for an I very very very linear approach I I I've done this and I get exactly a mirror in opposite direction cause an effect right uh uh to to what I've done yeah yeah I think Karma as understood in spiritism is kind of like God in being um God has created a structure for us God has created a a way of life with its boundaries it's up to us to learn how to operate within those boundaries we have free will spiritism stresses a lot the importance of free will but that doesn't mean we can just do whatever we feel like well we can do a lot things but we shouldn't be terribly surprised if we run up against a consequence that is a a reaction to whatever our action was and as you were just saying Marcia it's not necessarily uh an eye for an eye type thing if we did something really bad let's say we committed a terrible crime well if we depending upon how we react to that depending upon whether or not we do anything at all to somehow make amends for it that's different than if we completely got away with it have no regrets whatsoever don't apologize for anything ever and have this very kind of um self-serving egocentric self-righteous attitude of I'm right and everybody else is you know the heck with everybody else you know so if we go through life like that that's one consequence which may be a very severe one versus we have a lot of regrets I have a lot of regrets I really do feel badly that I did this thing in my past and I'm trying to do something to make up for it um did you ever see the movie gandi Yes okay do you remember that scene near the end when India has its independence and of course chaos breaks out because all Hindus and Muslims are now killing each other their their

ee the movie gandi Yes okay do you remember that scene near the end when India has its independence and of course chaos breaks out because all Hindus and Muslims are now killing each other their their tribal Warfare is is Unleashed and Gandhi goes on a hunger strike in protest of the violence because he says Hindus and Muslims must learn how to live together in harmony he's in a tent and he's not eating he's on a hunger strike and he's slowly starving to death and there's this man who comes in and throws some food at him and says eat I don't want your suffering on my conscience and then the guy says I just bashed a baby's head in and killed it and Gandhi kind of goes why and the man said and he's staring at Gandhi with his eyes like this he says I don't know and so the guy doesn't know why he killed he just did it he was caught up in a moment he just killed a a a baby and then he said I'm going to basically be punished forever their my life is over I have no way I cannot redeem myself and then Gandhi says I know a way go out and find the first child you can that's an orphan and raise them yeah as your home and yeah yeah and so that's different than if you just killed somebody and then went on with your life and you know didn't do anything so our intentions one of the things about spiritism is our intentions are really important and that's that in itself is a very complex subject because I mean our intentions have all kinds of resonances within us right in into the topic of at hand right in into our health and well-being um I think we we you brought about uh uh reincarnation and and law cause and effect and uh and maybe if I can try to explain explain this idea of uh live in a world of Trials and expiations uh Peter uh which is a concept and it's um academic right it's it's a concept to help us understand the very long evolutionary path that we all have regardless regardless of creed of uh uh uh birthplace or age gender etc etc we all all go through some uh uh evolving right something that will

erstand the very long evolutionary path that we all have regardless regardless of creed of uh uh uh birthplace or age gender etc etc we all all go through some uh uh evolving right something that will help us lead us to to to evolve spiritually and uh and and and that in itself one of the key Concepts in in this evolution is awareness of the harm that I'm causing I think uh remember when we talked a little bit a couple of times when we met before uh about good and evil right or as I call it evil is any anything that is uh um how I may have harmed or caused pain to somebody else or to me right so uh that evil quote unquote evil is has um consequences that must be confronted psychologically speaking um those can be and you mentioned very briefly it can be um confronted by rep repressing that guilt right into your Shadow or um projecting onto others in terms of a a defense mechanism I don't want to deal with this so I'm I'm going to project and there's many different of uh elements for escaping but uh regardless of what you're doing to yourself with the ACT um there is a and those are my terms Peter there's a almost uh 100% mathematical equation called Divine Justice which applies through the law of cause and effect to the point that uh you are responsible for every act for every thought for every word for every uh Omission if you will so we are creators or co-creators of our reality from that perspective because if everything I do or don't do there is a consequence to it my choice today will lead to tomorrow a consequence right and and from a world of Trials and experation simply means that uh we are faced Incarnation by incarnation to um to go through and learn right learn from that event and if the only way to learn say the in the movie Gandy for the guy that killed the child and he doesn't even know why if the only way to learn about the pain that he had ca he had caused to the parents of that child and to the child is to perhaps lose his own child it could be it but instead

he doesn't even know why if the only way to learn about the pain that he had ca he had caused to the parents of that child and to the child is to perhaps lose his own child it could be it but instead Gandhi teaches love and forgiveness and nonviolence so he says you can learn by loving another child and I think it's very important for us to understand unlike uh Eastern definitions of karma this uh spiritist definition cause and effect is one that does not really reflect uh that mirror that uh eye for for an eye right it it it's all about the concept of moving on in our evolutionary path toward our own state of angelit toe but as I yeah go ahead well I was about to say it's it's it's a different kind of mirror in a way it's not the eye for an eye mirror but more um uh the the mirror of limitations that we run up against I like that yeah underlining all of it is God's compassion because we have to do our part as you said very important point about spiritism responsibility matters all of us are personally responsible for the things that we do or don't do is often the case but if we don't uh get to where we're trying to go or well we may not know where we're trying to go but if we fall short in our progress we will have another opportunity oh yes yes absolutely yeah and and the argument for that is that it's Again part of God's compassion it's not we have only one chance to get everything right or else yes so let's let's go to to right we talked about vulnerability of the body we talked about uh spiritist Concepts uh inherit in understanding why we're here even talking about which is that sense of uh uh securing our health and well-being so can you maybe Peter explore the notion of uh what Joanna deangeles brings of love the I I've heard love therapy before but I keep finding time and time again Joanna the angelist bringing that concept of love therapy as the ultimate goal for all of us right can you maybe tell us a little bit about it how how do I even go through this type

ime and time again Joanna the angelist bringing that concept of love therapy as the ultimate goal for all of us right can you maybe tell us a little bit about it how how do I even go through this type of therapy well one thing Joanna Angela stresses a lot is self-love and what she means by that in part is first of all that we do our best to connect to ourselves and who we really are but ALS so when we talk about self-love it's it's for instance when Jesus says You must love God with all your heart and all your mind and then and your neighbor as yourself and Joan evangelist stresses that this does not when we love learn to love ourselves and have self-love this is not egocentric impulses this is not narcissism this is developing a healthy relationship with ourselves which we all need you know that we need to know how to love ourselves so that we can be able to love one another and help one another and engage in charity and so forth so really it begins with going inward that way and accepting who we are and she says something really interesting about the relationship between selflove and connecting to real reality which none of us can escape and I think what she means by that by reality is what we were saying before that uh there are limitations to the physical world that we operate in that our bodies have physical limitations and therefore love of ourselves selflove is important but it's not a guarantee that if I just have like like a healthy attitude about everything that I'm never ever going to get sick U that's not true um we will at some point run into the limitations of our bodies we can have a healthy relationship with ourselves and still possibly get you know get ill but she also points out that self-love is really really really important in terms of developing a a healthier environment for our bodies because I think these days there's a lot of understanding in the medical field I'm not an expert on this by any means but there's a a more of an awareness and

a a healthier environment for our bodies because I think these days there's a lot of understanding in the medical field I'm not an expert on this by any means but there's a a more of an awareness and acknowledgment of the relationship between our emotional health and our physical health and that if we don't have a relatively healthy emotional outlook on life selflove included of course than when we don't th those things can have an effect on our physical health I think an obvious one would be if we're habitually angry habitually stressed out about everything um it's very likely that's going to take its toll on us physically at some point at at a very cellular level right at a very uh organic um uh to certain parts of our body that are just f and we have no idea what happened but it all comes from how we how we deal with those environmental stressors right how do we do am I uh uh forever ungrateful am I forever bitter am I forever resentful and from a psychological perspective all those uh types of attitudes that behavioral in essence are really demonstrate a lot inside of us that we haven't been able to to Really confront or accept and and so selflove to me Peter is is really a notion of uh becoming perhaps curious right with ourselves to to understand why why do I behave this way why don't I behave this way what are my triggers why uh I I like everybody but I'm just joking here Peter but whenever I see Peter I go like GH something is wrong and and just Peter just sneezes I get really angry versus people you know we do that to people become very uh we dilute uh the people that we love we dilute their misgivings and the people that we don't like we augment it we we we take it out of proportion and it's that bias view of people for a reason that sometimes we don't even understand right but this love therapy is super cool for us to understand because it will according to what do we understand it will be the Gateway for that uh um well-being that health and if you think in terms of uh

but this love therapy is super cool for us to understand because it will according to what do we understand it will be the Gateway for that uh um well-being that health and if you think in terms of uh and we didn't I don't know if you talked uh before about the the the the three different bodies right Peter in terms of we uh have a spiritual Essence our spirit our physical body we can understand that but spiritism brings this notion of a a in between body that semi material semi spiritual called the par spirit and interesting enough it is in this body not in our physical body that uh perhaps the blueprint for physical illnesses are recorded and they reflect what we bring from us in this earlier in our life or even before this existence right so even for for that that love therapy is critical because we can heal through healing our peris spirit through healing our spirit uh we're able to then heal as a consequence as a direct result our physical body anything else that can bring it up for for those who are here with us today listening to this podcast well um when spiritism talks about the Paris spirit it's it's as you said it's it's the link between the physical body and the Soul so to speak yeah and there the Paris Spirit stays with the soul it's like the body of the Soul if you will yeah comes from the word parasperm which is the membrane of a seed between the seed and the shell and the Paris Spirit and the Soul as you said the Paris spirit is kind of where we store the consequences of who we are the memory right if you could speak with a different word yeah our thoughts our intentions our actions get reported in the Paris spirit and Joanna deangelus says that this has an effect on our body in fact as we go through different incarnations um the kind of Paris Spirit we have plays a role in affecting the kind of bodies that we have now I realize that's quite a statement to make I mean can that be proven by science well I would no not at the moment not yet yeah wouldn't it be wonderful if it

ecting the kind of bodies that we have now I realize that's quite a statement to make I mean can that be proven by science well I would no not at the moment not yet yeah wouldn't it be wonderful if it could eventually you know find that there is a connection in this way but um really the implications of this is that our attitudes our thoughts our feelings do play an important role in the the way in which we experience the physical world which certainly includes the kind of body we have and the relationship that we have with our bodies and if I may just sort of loop back a little bit to what we were talking about at the beginning about the relationship between our emotional health and our physical health a lot of it has to do with control or not control should I say because if we're trying to control things and we get upset when things change physically emotionally whatever um then we're going to have a much harder time with it but if we can learn how to be more accepting of the the the fact that we're constantly in transition the impermanence of the physical world can we learn to be at peace with that and there's lots of ways to think about this I don't want to you know get off the subject but for instance when we talk about money you know people often Define themselves by their relationship to money but money is really just a tool yeah it's neither good nor bad it's just a tool it's something that we learn from uh and money is energy but it's not the thing that we how if we try to Define our sense of self-importance based upon money in some way that sounds like a recipe to be miserable well it's it's a at a at a minimum Peter inauthentic right inauthentic yes yeah and and what I mean by that is uh it's very time bound to this life that we live in a capitalist World say right where uh Capital Money access to things through money is it's not a def it does not define who you are but relative to this uh system that we live it it it may very easily uh right uh but it's it's this I I think we

l Money access to things through money is it's not a def it does not define who you are but relative to this uh system that we live it it it may very easily uh right uh but it's it's this I I think we mentioned earlier today this sense of curiosity uh through selflove right a love therapy um we we should also uh really look for authenticity of our emotions our feelings so that we can also in the sense of curiosity learn about uh who we are how and we we learn that not by how much money I have in my wallet but how how do I feel and and that language of a feeling that language of love that language of emotion is a foreign to many people right and I think that's a an area that we we should start to invest our time in learning about ourselves in and how we react to certain things without a label of good or bad it's just it is what it is right it is how we react how we how we emote if you will and just a quick comment about money and spiritism has a lot of positive things to say about money it doesn't say money is bad because material what it says is that um what we do with money how we use it that's what matters and there are a lot of positive ways to put money to work that we that we can learn in the process from and and in a way I think that's similar to our relationship to our bodies and and our physical health um because at the end of the day the limitations of our bodies we could not avoid that we should not be surprised if we're going to encounter some kind of illness hopefully we we won't it won't be too bad but can we learn to accept whatever situation we're in and do our best to not only get through it but also to uh appreciate the ways in which whatever we're experiencing physically that we will a we will get through it as I mentioned before and that we will learn and that there's a reason for why this is happening we may not fully understand it we probably don't but we will later on and so that's and that's part of what it means to have faith right yeah yeah I don't understand

a reason for why this is happening we may not fully understand it we probably don't but we will later on and so that's and that's part of what it means to have faith right yeah yeah I don't understand this illness I have but I do feel it's not gratuitous either yes I I I love that the the concept that if I am going through the experience it's not coin incidental there is a reasoning there's a planning if you will behind it and and the outcome of everything is not just uh uh nothingness the outcome is our uh growth in maturity but I I just wanted to to start to maybe to conclude this conversation Peter with the idea that you mentioned before right why why do we get um down how do we get depressed how do we get anxious even whenever uh and it doesn't have to be you but it can be a family member or friend right whenever we're confronted with the physical limitations that are inherent to the body that we inhabit right now it there is a a direct connection this body equals Decay you said it quite well in the beginning but um um how how to best let go of those the need to control what is uncontrollable why do we why are we uh I I'm not sure if this is the best way to say it Peter but how are we ConEd into spending so much effort in say uh trying to slow down aging why do are we uh put in a position to to obsess to to spend all of our our brain or all of our potentiality of growth and doing amazing things right we in this existence and yet we we digress or we distract ourselves from doing so much more by focusing things that are Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things well those are great questions I'm not sure I have answers for all of them but I think part of it is fear uh you know when we're trying to to hang on to our youth so to speak uh in spite of Aging um how much of that is related to fear is fear simply because we don't think there's any tomorrow or is it fear about something else correct perhaps connected to the unrealistic social norms that we've created in which you know I'm only

ar is fear simply because we don't think there's any tomorrow or is it fear about something else correct perhaps connected to the unrealistic social norms that we've created in which you know I'm only appealing if I look young I'm only appealing if if um I'm active and have lots of Vitality at all times of course we want these things I mean there's nothing wrong with with taking care of our physical health and and trying to look our best but are we so attached to that impulse that when we see in Perfections in ourselves we fall apart because some people get really upset right if they don't feel like they look as well as they want to look or think they should look you know yeah and there's a there's a an article that was published many many years ago by uh Allan CC in one of his books that was published after he passed right uh that uh it's one of the chapters that was really an article that he was writing but it's beautiful Peter because he talks about um the he the articles is the aristocracies right so what is the aristocracy and when we think about Aristocrats we think about a time in the uh perhaps uh post medieval time when royalty and the concept of uh blue blood and and and those those were of a lineage will be uh powerful versus everybody else outside of that lineage but then he he brings about how historically and it's available this is nothing that's been hidden it's that information is available to all of us to process how those so-called aristocracies uh evolved through time in in our Humanity's history so from The Warrior that power came from sheer mass and skill in Hunt right and and in in being a warrior and protecting your clan and then moves on into the elderly uh who knew what was what were the secrets for instance in ensuring that in a new agricultureal culture we would be able to sustain ourselves by learning the secrets of of what grows and what does and how to deal with food etc etc and this keeps going until today and our aristocracy I think it is changing right

be able to sustain ourselves by learning the secrets of of what grows and what does and how to deal with food etc etc and this keeps going until today and our aristocracy I think it is changing right from a world of you mention money or power through wealth into now this new aristocracy which is the aristocracy of Education of knowledge but let us not be full the knowledge it's really not about facts but it it is about uh uh knowledge and uh really truths that go beyond me and you and my interpretation of what's going on those are Eternal truths if you will um and and through that when we start to to capture that then we are better equipped to to Really um um exercise that self love that Joanna d'angeles speaks so much that get in in the love therapy that uh uh is all accepting of others of ourselves of all of our existence all that uh this context this dot in that line right and in all the um what does it reflect to today um do you want to give us a final words about uh the what we're talking about today Peter okay well as you were SP talking just now piggy back a little bit on on uh education and and knowledge uh I have a background in in theater and years ago I remember going to a conference in in Austin it was and I got to hear the former mayor of Austin one who played a sizable role in the transformation of that City and the thing he was stressing in this talk of his was what's the asset most important nowadays economic asset his answer was creativity you we had the indust we had agriculture the Industrial Revolution and so but what he was emphasizing is our capacity to think creatively to think uh I hate to use the word outside of the box but you it but the point is is that that skill set is a very important one because creativity can be used in a lot of things I'm not necessarily talking about artistic creativity it's not everybody's going to be a an artist or a painter or a sculptor or a writer but regardless of what field you're in is there not an important need to

cessarily talking about artistic creativity it's not everybody's going to be a an artist or a painter or a sculptor or a writer but regardless of what field you're in is there not an important need to learn how to create how to think creatively and to know how to I think part of what it means to think creatively is not be afraid to question everything that one is doing the environment one's working in and ask can we do this better maybe we need to really deconstruct it not well maybe we need to start all over or really transform what we're doing because when we lock in into this is how we've done it for decades and this is how we're going to keep doing it that's you know the a recipe for for uh not being able to adapt and certainly not to to succeed because it it's invitation to stagnation yes and and and and we we you and I all of us here uh have one reason to be alive and according to Joanna deangeles it's the perfect happiness and perfect happiness speaks of well-being it speaks of being able to Letting Go it speaks of self-love love all around us and understanding that we are not alone we are part of this much larger community of souls all around us and to be able to love with all of our intricate uh differences right our uniqueness is when we are able to really demonstrate that we we there we're getting there but Peter it is so good talking to you we'll meet again thank you so much for this time together and uh love to talk to you more about the subject bye-bye everyone byebye thank you