Ep 159 - When the Ego Burns: Understanding and Healing Anger

Hi everyone, welcome to psychology and spirituality a bridge to better life discussion. Today we explore something quite powerful and at the same time quite uncomfortable anger. Anger not seen as a moral flaw but perhaps a mirror of our souls. I'm here with my dearest friend Josetta Corn goat to explore this theme. How you doing Josada? >> Hello everyone. Hello Marcia. I've been doing fine. I hope everyone is good as well and we have a a very challenging episode ahead of us. So let's start. Let's start it. Right. So, just as we go through life, right, we we go through we go through ups and downs. We sometimes we're happy, sometimes we're sad, sometimes we're quite comfortable, but every once in a while, anger appears and it appears often suddenly and um it it may feel justified for some. It may feel that it's here to protect us, right? But regardless of how it may feel at the moment, we are left with a sensation of just being exhausted or guilty or having to deal with regret and even devastation. How did I do that? I can tell you actually it happened to me. I'm a very even killed person. Not so long ago, two three months ago, I I see myself with that burst of anger and that ate at me after the fact, right? But um in anyways, we're going to talk about it, not about my episode, but what happens to us all? And uh Jonah D'Angelus specifically when uh she talks about anger, she calls, she gives a term, right, inner barbarism. And I don't believe she is condemning anyone including us who me who went through this burst of anger. But she's showing us that anger when controls us, right? When dominates us, when takes over, uh leads us to regress to perhaps an earlier stage of consciousness where our instinct, whatever that may be, overrides our discernment, our consciousness. So I could ask, you know, is anger our enemy? or perhaps this messenger asking all of us can can you please understand me? So anyways uh love to hear from you Jos what do you think Joanna the anggeles

So I could ask, you know, is anger our enemy? or perhaps this messenger asking all of us can can you please understand me? So anyways uh love to hear from you Jos what do you think Joanna the anggeles really mean uh when she calls anger this term barbarism of the soul. >> Okay. Um so let us start with this topic. An image that was coming to my mind was a board game. Um, and I think it applies a lot to us when we think about a board game. We know where we want to go, right? At the at the end, to reach the end, to to win the game, to be able to reach the end for us um spirits, immortal spirits, human beings, what would be this end of the game, right? what we would would we find there. I believe what we look for most in life which is inner peace. Uh inner peace, love, enlightenment. Okay. But it's inner peace. It's bliss is to be in a state of bliss. So here I am in a new life or you know new incarnation and I have a board game ahead of me and uh well things are not going to be decided by advice in our board game but it will be decided by our free will and depending on how I choose to adv advance because there is always a fork a fork road before of us. This is how I'm going to be advancing or not. There will be a point in our board game that we will be getting that instruction or you know you did quite well advance three houses or you really messed it up. You have to go back to two houses of the board game. So this is I I I see in my imagery here what I'm thinking is about how we behave in life. And when Joanna D'Angel is talking about um barbaric behaviors, >> she's talking about us at the very beginning of the board game where we are still like you know primal. Uh we are still in that um rough state and that mode uh fight or flight or you know where we um We really do not have reached yet the idea that we are a network actually. We are all connected. >> And so with this in mind when she talks about this barbaric >> reactions she she's saying listen it is more related to a primitive state of the

that we are a network actually. We are all connected. >> And so with this in mind when she talks about this barbaric >> reactions she she's saying listen it is more related to a primitive state of the soul. And here let us understand how different hues or let's say say how many shades because it's a shadow in our lives. uh this uh kind of anger may take because sometimes we may see people troll objects or um but it's it's just an impulse. And then we see others that do not troll objects but only think with an evil mind and and construct builds the destruction of others. So let us not be deceived by appearances. Um, we have that sometimes, you know, with people, people that in your workplace may seem very nice, very polite, very calm. When we go to to their family, to their relatives, and and describe them and as that, people will say, "Are you really sure you're talking about my relative?" Yeah, >> this person is a total different person in my home. And so I I think here when she's talking about that is about a goal about us analyzing ourself spiritually speaking to see where am I at you know this board game. Am I right at the beginning? And then we will try to come up with excuses saying well but I'm not like that all the time. >> Yeah. >> I mean either you are or you're not. Either you have is still those emotions or you don't. So fortunately you're not like that all the time. But still it doesn't mean that you do not need to address that to look at this. And sometimes you know only once can be enough >> once can be enough to cause a lot of disaster to cause a lot of troubles in your life and the life of others. So I think you know just for us start to set the tone of what we where we want to go with our conversation today. I I think it's okay. I don't know if you would like to add or ask something else. No, we'll go. We go uh for something else, but I I was just before um perhaps another question here. I I just keep thinking, right, that uh we when you're talking about, you know, the

something else. No, we'll go. We go uh for something else, but I I was just before um perhaps another question here. I I just keep thinking, right, that uh we when you're talking about, you know, the board game, but going backwards, which happens, right, by chance, it's a roll of the dice. In our case, it is by our decisions, our free will. But whenever that happens, it's really um the sense of uh frustration perhaps or upset. But regardless, what leads to anger is our wounded ego, right? And uh and to me I I just keep thinking um for all of us perhaps whenever I become angry is it because I'm defending my truth right it could be my truth that is being uh overstepped or ignored etc. or am I defending my pride? I I mentioned that uh there was a couple of months ago where I saw myself getting very angry and uh it it really dis disturbed me that reaction. That's not who I am. Yet it was who I was at that moment in time. Um and Josada what was very clear to me it was me defending my pride, me defending my uh egoic constructs of a story, a narrative about myself and when that was you know crumbled through a conversation it led to to to my anger. So it's very interesting and uh if we were to to think of uh Joanna the angels when she she talks about this barbaric state of the soul it's really we can think about it as something is arai I I am trying to convince myself or I have convinced myself that I am X when I'm really not X I'm Y. So it it is a welcome to all of us to to really think how easy sometimes it is for us to to lose it all right to go back into a not so mature state of who I am. Um anything else? I was just trying to think uh another question that is uh I'm going to go ahead. I I I was thinking that you know in my point of view it could be you know truth and and pride. >> Yeah. >> Because of course we all have pride >> uh in the egoic egoic sense not the pride that it you know you were proud of you know a great achievement. Uh but uh I also think that is us is like you said

>> Because of course we all have pride >> uh in the egoic egoic sense not the pride that it you know you were proud of you know a great achievement. Uh but uh I also think that is us is like you said you you you we make our constructs and I wanted to be right. I want this to be the truth >> that is not going to be my only my truth but the truth that I want to impose on others. >> Yeah. I think we have to understand and and this is is really hard you know is to accept who we are in the sense that since we are talking here about spirituality and how you know uh we are talking about this immortal immortal being the immortal soul immortal spirit that we we have all this um psychologically development according as we go uh through you Eternity in this sense we have to understand that uh in a way we are really at the very beginning of the board game. >> Yeah. uh let's say the board game was you know where I started having more conscience more reason more um uh possibility of uh of dealing with a free will of you know of choosing for myself and with not necessarily although indications will say go through this way and not that way we will you know try to explore for for whatever reason. So in this sense what what is very important for us to to understand we are still in a society and I'm talking about the whole world um the difference among one and the others not that much not as much as we can think but we are you know in that average saying not very advanced like you know in this more barbaric state like Joanna D'Angelus talks about like you know if you step on my foot I'm going to react like >> yes yes >> u uh I mean there is all this kind of reaction and I'm not saying that you don't don't need to have a reaction but the thing is we are in this um in this zone in this area so it is not uncommon it is not unexpected that we are going to have certain reactions but we are not here to do that. We are here always to analyze and to grow. So although it can be normal like I you know every one of us

it is not unexpected that we are going to have certain reactions but we are not here to do that. We are here always to analyze and to grow. So although it can be normal like I you know every one of us will have a dozen excuses to say but I have a reason to act like this. Yes, I have a I have a reason to be rude to this person, to be bitter about this situation, to be angry about the world, to be annoyed by my children. You know, we all have a reason or I mean I we have thousands of reasons. >> Correct. >> Hey, okay. But is it good to act on it? Does it lead us to the end of the game? That is this bliss is inner peace. How do I feel every time I act out? How do I see myself? Or I'm going to use that excuse that, you know, yeah, it was not good. It was not nice. But everyone does that from time to time. I'm allowed to do that as well. Of course, you are allowed to do anything. But is this good for you? like the apostle Paul would say, I to do whatever I want to do, but is this going to be good for me? And this is the main question here. How do you feel when we you lose control? And I mean even being in that average stage that we are >> vocabulary that we we use is I lost control. So you know you already know that it's not good. A very very good good point. Right. Uh, I've lost what I thought I had, which is control, my filters, my my, you know, my moral compass, my my true north of what I want to be and what I'm prepared to be, and then whoop, we we fall apart for whatever reason. I I I really appreciate that. Yeah. I I have a Joad, I have to tell you. I I knew someone and uh this person was always angry since childhood. An angry person but he was a good person but an angry person, an angry man. And uh at some point uh his wife uh I I met his wife and his wife said you know something happens here and his reaction is over here and uh and it really even if it was one to one it would maybe you could have done better but because it's so disproportionate everybody body reacts like why are you

here and his reaction is over here and uh and it really even if it was one to one it would maybe you could have done better but because it's so disproportionate everybody body reacts like why are you always so angry? So my question to you just despite this person who routinely did that why does anger often appear you know so suddenly number one and so often it feels disproportionate to the situation at hand. Can you talk a little bit about the disconnect between the external? So an emotional response is always an emotional response to an external event. So there is an event and there is that emotional response. But for us who are in the midst of that or the innocent bystander if you will, it often feels disproportionate. You are too angry. you are your reaction is too harsh or whatever. What are your thoughts? >> Uh it is very difficult for us and I think it wouldn't be right for us to generalize an answer here because there may be >> this may the be the the derivation derive from very different circumstances that we do not know. And uh this is one thing uh that I I really like about uh psychology and spirituality because uh they don't give you just one answer. They they they show you a way for you to try to find that out for yourself both in psychology and in spirituality because uh we we we cannot just say well people that react like that in a disproportionate way is because of this. Of course, first thing that comes to mind is like saying, you know, this person is, you know, is angry by nature, you know, >> like this person that I that I met, right? >> What's going on? Why why does it feel that uh his identity is of being an angry person? But go ahead. >> And I mean why, right? I mean that's lead the question that that leads to so many questions why there are people like that others that are not like that that you know I mean you can say whatever you want to say and the person is always calm and in a pacific a very pacified way I mean it's really intriguing so one

ike that others that are not like that that you know I mean you can say whatever you want to say and the person is always calm and in a pacific a very pacified way I mean it's really intriguing so one of the things that we know um in terms of his spirituality is that like we said before we are not we did not come to this world as a blank slate. We have a history. We have a wis history from so many other existences and experiences and of course depending on what I lived before. Um I may or not be com content w with what I am today or with what I have today with the experience that I have to live. So we bring those things uh with us saying oh last incarnation I was a prince and everybody was serving me and now I'm a you know employer that had to work 14 hours a day to make ends meet and and so you know there is that there can be a natural anger from not accepting an experience that you need in order to grow to develop virtues etc. There can be always the pre the problem like in in psychology we are always going to be addressing that the repression. >> Yeah. repression doesn't mean something good doesn't mean that I am not uh like that because I repressed myself and then you see like you know the cherry the top of the the ice cream the the dust under the rug it comes a a a situation where you have been repressing so much of your emotions that when it comes off it comes completely disproportionate and this is the one of the situations that we can see in those cases as well. Why are you making such a you know um such such a or are having this kind of reaction you know it's a it's just too much for what is happening you know that thing that triggers us and it can be in everything not necessarily anger let's say we are here griefing the the part of of someone that we love and all of a sudden you watch a movie that for whatever reason >> uh touched in your soft spot at that moment and you start crying. >> Yeah. >> And so there are so many situations but the thing is we have to pay attention. That's why you

that for whatever reason >> uh touched in your soft spot at that moment and you start crying. >> Yeah. >> And so there are so many situations but the thing is we have to pay attention. That's why you know the whole the whole point and everything always that Joanna is inviting us to do is pay attention to yourself. pay attention to your emotions, to your reactions, trying to deny something >> as opposed to say, you know what, I'm >> I'm a person that is prone to anger outbursts. >> Uh why is that? Um maybe we will decide to go to therapy. Maybe you will start thinking about that more. Maybe we'll you know think about doing meditation or something that will uh calm you down or more exercises or uh but the there is always something that we learn and the the worst thing here is not paying attention not paying attention to us and uh not seeing uh for instance when we started I was thinking about domestic violence >> angry can manifest as in physical outbursts or verbal outburst bursts. It doesn't mean that it's just physical. And sometimes, you know, anything that can hurt others is you you know being angry, being angry because you envy that situation because you're jealous of the situation because uh you know you don't want the person to feel happiness because you don't you are not a happy person. So, uh, it's it's it's really is really losing control control is really having to go backwards so many of the little houses of the the the the placements of the the the the board game. And I know I I understand that is is very much like an impulse. >> Yeah. But we have to control all our impulses. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I love when you say the board game, immediately in my mind, we're talking about monopoly. Um, and uh, when you said the beginning of, right, when we're in the beginning of our multiple uh, incarnations and the the the evolution of our maturity, spiritual, psychological maturity is the beginning. And um just what came to my mind when when I'm thinking of the monopoly board

r multiple uh, incarnations and the the the evolution of our maturity, spiritual, psychological maturity is the beginning. And um just what came to my mind when when I'm thinking of the monopoly board game is the beginning of the game you have money. Everybody starts with the same amount, right? The bank has the the money but you don't have the assets. You have not invested. It is it is the very beginning. And uh and I I love it what what you said. Sometimes we lose the the the investment. Sometimes you go back a few steps. Sometimes we we go to prison. And this is for those who have not played Monopoly. It's awesome. Um but it is very interesting because it can in the playfulness of a child playing a board game. You don't judge. It's just a game. It's it's good to to uh exercise, right? strategy and exercise um all sorts of lessons in in a game but nobody will get hurt no matter what the outcome is and sometimes maybe we should think of life a little bit more in the same sense but we don't so if I were to just re recover or re regurgitate if you will your your uh words Jo just um and it's really what Joanna tells us about anger, right? Is that uh uh we our anger, our emotional uh response via anger can be linked to that, you know, that's my that's who I am. That's how I was brought up in my my family or even the social pressures is so hot so so much and I I'm I'm becoming this angry person or of course um much more remote right it it's it can be a past experience past life etc. And then uh we may want to that the soft spot that you talked about when you when you are watching a movie and sometimes you cry or whatever but that soft spot exists it's based on something that you all of us have lived through and uh I guess to me uh that is a really interesting way to think about that uh um sense of disproportionate response to a situation when a trigger point, right? That the person triggered something that may be such an old emotional wound that you didn't even know it was there. It was still very

proportionate response to a situation when a trigger point, right? That the person triggered something that may be such an old emotional wound that you didn't even know it was there. It was still very much raw that that wound, right? Not healed and maybe even completely unconscious. So it's very important for us to perhaps reflect upon the fact that maybe we are the ones causing that uh that emotional response from somebody who's hurting and did not even know that person was hurting and we triggered knowingly or not that response. So that too is is a sense for us to to to think about it. How would you like to be treated if that happened to you? If you were angry and you didn't even recognize yourself, >> how can we use the the learnings about well, but it's me. I did it. Let's do that uh therapeutical work or shadow work to understand what the event is bringing to the surface so that we can know us better. This is awesome. Thank you Jos for for your insights. But um I wanted to know since we discussed a little bit about the insights that it can bring to us when we look at ourselves or the other. Can you tell us if anger is something that we should say it's always negative harmful or is there any positive outcome for uh this type of response? >> Well um I think from the spiritual perspective >> we cannot say that um you know anger is good. Um Jesus said blessed are the meek right for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. So is pointing in a to in a total different direction. Uh but of course uh like when we were talking about this you know barbaric stage the primal stage we are talking about survival. So surviving is one thing and you know this aggressiveness that may still be present in us may have this function of you know preserving life. >> Yeah. >> But we don't live in those times anymore right? I mean we don't although so many people are so competitive and we live in a very competitive world uh this is not how we we should be at the 21st century. Uh there is one thing

se times anymore right? I mean we don't although so many people are so competitive and we live in a very competitive world uh this is not how we we should be at the 21st century. Uh there is one thing Marcia like when I said you know the board game and and I always like to use those images so that it can be very easy for us to visualize. The thing is we don't know we are in a board game and we don't know what it what it is there at the end of the game. If we could have this vision clear like saying you know at the end of the game you're going to win $1 million. Okay, let's make it very palatable to to us here beings. Okay. Uh but there will be obstacles. There will be people that you have to tolerate without saying anything. You have to be on your best behavior and this and that. You would say piece of cake. You would bite your tongue. You would be nice. You would be like, "Okay, there is a million dollar waiting for me at the end of this board game." Right? So yes, there is more than a million dollar was waiting for you at the end of the board game which is comp a complete state of bliss, right? We don't know. We don't understand that. I'm just thinking about you know where I am now maybe one or two houses in advance. I don't have the big picture. I do not understand. I do not even understand. Uh and listen we are talking about games here but we are not talking about you know life is the game or the rolling of dice or or God playing you know being sarcastic with us. It is just a metaphor for us to to understand, you know, our movements as being um a succession of of steps that are going to lead us to uh the ideal situation that we we we want for ourselves. So uh in in in in this case you know um when we let anger prevails we miss so many good things so many good experiences and u and one of them is to have good relationship with people because sometimes you will say no I'm a model citizen in the world compared to watch and >> and I mean like we were saying before

riences and u and one of them is to have good relationship with people because sometimes you will say no I'm a model citizen in the world compared to watch and >> and I mean like we were saying before people your relatives will say no he's not like that you know one day the mask will fall >> and maybe you may be thinking that you are nice because you're not being as bad as you are in other environments but >> or or as authentic rightuent either you have this mask of citizenship and and good behavior but some which is the mask only the inauthentic self or this idea that you said right compared to who and and sometimes you know you don't even realize because now it's your second nature you know to react this way oh no I'm I was just playing or I was just kidding when we we joke when when we are being sarcastic I think there is a lot of u behaviors like sarcasm for instance sarcasm for instance that it's the byproduct of anger you know you're angry with but you cannot say what you're thinking so you're somehow >> trying with your comments with your behavior to the value >> the value of something that someone has. >> Yeah. and and and so that's what is trick you know when it's like you know a thread >> you start pulling that >> so many other negative emotions make may come to surface as opposed to when we start pulling a thread of goodness and all of a sudden you will see so many good things coming out of you that you didn't even realize you had and I mean the impact that this makes on society as a whole, you know, because uh if you come from a an an angry home, >> a violent home as well, >> a violent home. >> Yeah. You know, because violence is the byproduct of anger, right? >> Correct. frustrations. Um, not being content with what ones have or the possibilities you have and again blaming the world and looking at, you know, the grass is greener at the other side of the fence and all of that and it makes you angry and uh then is when we don't count our blessings. We don't don't see

ming the world and looking at, you know, the grass is greener at the other side of the fence and all of that and it makes you angry and uh then is when we don't count our blessings. We don't don't see the whole picture. We don't don't don't understand. We keep on this you know living this life and and and then we are going to be affecting our family members, our children, everyone that has any kind of relation with us and you know you have to accept me the way I am. You don't you you don't have to accept the way you are. This is why we are here. We may be the b best versions of ourselves today, but this is not where I want to stay for the following days. I I want to be better each time more. >> Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I love that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. One one thing I just said that you you you started by good or bad, right? Is is anger ever good? Is anger could could anger be positive? And uh you mentioned Jesus when he said blessed are the meek. And uh you made me think that uh in the gospel uh if we reference Jesus's teachings, he does not really deny that uh we are not supposed to be angry, right? He actually uh addresses that by teaching us to be forgiven, right? To be humble, to to look out for ourselves, to monitor and have that inner state of vigilance to see all of how we still uh uh quote unquote out of control when we cannot uh be the best yet that we can be. we're we're still in a a primitive um type of behavior. So I think um it's important for us to always remember that uh in those moments that we get angry, let's use those moments to look at ourselves, to learn about ourselves, but also remember those words, those teachings from Jesus that uh with anger there's an opportunity for us to to to learn about forgiveness, right? And uh >> Okay. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> We're talking about Jesus and I was thinking, you know, about his disciples. >> Yeah. Yeah. And how you know when people would approach Jesus especially Peter and James and others would come and

d. >> We're talking about Jesus and I was thinking, you know, about his disciples. >> Yeah. Yeah. And how you know when people would approach Jesus especially Peter and James and others would come and angry with the mob with the people don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't oh don't get closer to our master are they and Jesus would say come on or let the children come to me or you know it was there was never >> uh I mean not that we know of justification for this kind of behavior of you know being aggressive to others. So I I I think this is what we should think about ourselves. >> Absolutely. There shouldn't be any justification for us to be aggressive with others and be aggressive with ourselves because many times we are very very angry with ourselves in a sense that does not build but destroys deplete us of good motivation to go ahead. And and listen, like I said at some point here today, we all get angry. >> Yeah. >> Um but this should not be ourselves. We can be better. Mhm. >> We can uh try to have more control over that to analyze why was I so aggressive. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think we're approaching uh the end of our time together just but I I'd love if we could perhaps speak a little bit about um the physical impact we're talking about. Don't be angry with yourself. Don't be angry with your with others, right? But what are some physical impacts on us and others? And why perhaps Josada it is a much much healthier choice to to to to take this opportunity to look into our gradual as it may be but inner transformation than bottling all up and forcing perhaps a control that I don't have it yet. Can you talk a little bit about all of that the physiology of anger? >> Yes, the physiology of anger. It's quite interesting Maria because um uh our body will have so many responses like you know when you see someone or something uh or you know love at first time uh >> yeah sight and your heart start beating.

te interesting Maria because um uh our body will have so many responses like you know when you see someone or something uh or you know love at first time uh >> yeah sight and your heart start beating. Well, I mean the emotions play a very important role in ourselves in our health. Good thoughts, good emotion. We always make this, you know, our a whole body organs functions better. We when we see someone that is angry, we see that the the veins, the arteries here that like kind of bursts and and sometimes people even have a heart attack because of that. And it's not because I was angry with my words, but it was doing something here. And and just this week, I I was watching one of those, you know, the Avengers shows. >> Yes. Yes. >> Talking about that Hulk came into my mind. Hulk. Um, you know, in order to become Hulk and not the the the doctor, he used to, you know, become that green gy, >> he has to get into triggered by a state of anger. >> Yes. And it comes to a point more to the end of those mi movies actually the one that is called the endg game. >> Yeah. >> Where >> Hulk doesn't accept anymore to you know to be related to this angry stage aggressiveness. and he said, "I'm not that guy." You know, and so there's a point where uh there is a need for Hulk to appear to save the world, etc. And he says, "No, I refuse. I don't I don't want to be that guy until the next move he comes to term with that." But now he's Hulk. Very nice. So, you know, there is I don't know. I mean, I think we could go and say the ego and the self mad. So, he got he got the best of both worlds because now he has a physiology that allows him to to help and to assist >> but that is not born of aggressiveness. >> Yeah. of you know uh so it's so interesting because then the the the the beast >> it's no longer the beast >> it is someone that okay I have this I I have those possibilities but it's not because my my body my physiology invites me to aggressiveness that but it's you know that I have to be aggressive or

st >> it is someone that okay I have this I I have those possibilities but it's not because my my body my physiology invites me to aggressiveness that but it's you know that I have to be aggressive or something like that but I really like when you know he comes to terms and become this nice girl guy and children want to love him want to come next to him and take selfies and all of this because now his energy is different when he has to fight he fights >> but before he only could reach that state >> in a situation where no one would like to be next to him. >> Yeah. And now he is this green hulky man and everyone likes to be next to him because it's no longer what you are your physical appearance is what you are giving and transmitting to the world. So I >> I love it. I love it. I really do. I need to to watch the movie. And uh and just to to remind us, right? Um anger beyond being a spiritual and psychological state, it is it has that um physical impact and and it can be quite quite uh disrupting to our lives. So uh I remember reading from Joanna D'Angelus when she she talks specifically uh I don't know if you remember this this part in in her book extension of conflicts um Josada when she talks about the anger um you know there's a lot of uh discharges of uh large quantities of adrenaline cortisol and it goes those hormones go into your bloodstream your nervous nervous system is completely flooded by those uh hormones and what does it do? Well, it completely um disrupts your regulation, right? And uh it will impact your digestive uh system, your uh indocrine uh system etc. And worse than that is that uh chronic anger. So for that angry person that I know, this is for you. I hope you listen to this episode. But it will contribute to uh the arterial hardening, some disorders, some hormone imbalances, um immune dysregulation, insomnia, and even other psychosmatic illnesses. Right? But why is my question here? We're about to end our episode. Why would we do this? And it's from a

hormone imbalances, um immune dysregulation, insomnia, and even other psychosmatic illnesses. Right? But why is my question here? We're about to end our episode. Why would we do this? And it's from a spiritual perspective. Josara, it's really all about the the disharmony. You started talking about inner bliss, inner peace that we all achieve. But in the moments of anger, we are actually no longer in harmony with ourselves and uh spiritually speaking and your body is the one that absorbs all of it, right? Uh so I think it's important for us to remember uh that and I just uh hope we we choose to be healthy. Uh Josada, do you have any final thoughts before we close today's discussion? >> Yeah, just one peace out. >> Yes, peace out. So, as as far as we are, we're we're just uh I know today's the best version of myself, but that's not the final version of uh yourself or any of us. So let's think about let's be forgiving to ourselves in this state of continuous evolution and that uh you know we look at those moments of anger as a teaching uh opportunity for us >> and perhaps to understand how fragile we still are. Isn't it? we we keep defending. We we get that very defensive stance against wounds that we don't even remember, but they're still there. So, let's let's just try to to to mature, to be aware, and to overcome those so that we can truly follow Jesus's words and be be the meek so we will inherit the earth. Um, I want to say thank you, Jos. Great conversation. I really enjoyed. I'm I'm probably going to watch the movie today, but uh really really cool uh thoughts about the Hulk becoming a better person and uh dealing with his own anger in a in a very positive manner. But for all of you who are here, thank you. Thank you for being with us. Um, I hope you join us next week in our next episode. But if this is the first time you are with us, please note the psychology in spirituality program is a a program with weekly talks. They're all based on the works by Joanna D'Angelus. And uh I do

ode. But if this is the first time you are with us, please note the psychology in spirituality program is a a program with weekly talks. They're all based on the works by Joanna D'Angelus. And uh I do hope that those discussions are you know you know w your appetite to understand more about yourself as it has done to me. I would also like to thank our sponsors um Masal Camino the United States Spiritist Federation the International Spiritist Council and Ammy Brazil. Thank you so much everyone and until next time. So long everyone. Bye.