Ep 125 - The Body’s Silent Story

Hi everyone, welcome to psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion. Please note that uh this program offers weekly episodes where we come together to explore the intersection of spirituality and psychology and as a result uh the ability to capture timeless wisdom that we find in both fields. I want to thank all of you who are joining us today and um we're here to this is my proposal and to to to dive into topics that touches pretty much everybody's right which are either thoughts about reincarnation about karma or uh in other philosophies we just call the talk of a action and reaction, cause and effect and uh in all of this what is this silent story that our bodies are telling and I keep thinking here have we ever wondered why certain patterns repeat in our lives right why I don't know why do I have to have the same type of boyfriend or trend of work environment even why do I keep getting sick this or that way? What are those patterns? And uh why does our body they seem to speak in in way that our language, our words cannot truly express what they're doing? Or even further, why do past experience somehow seem to echo through our physical being? So today, let's explore I'm I'm I'm getting warmed up in this episode. Let's explore how those invisible threads can shape our present day reality and leave their imprint on our bodies. So for everyone, I have not introduced myself. Apologies. My name is Marcia Tano and I'm I'm with my dear dear friend and Sinclair and uh we are here today trying to oh maybe unravel even the spiritual and psychological connections that make that make us who we are right and past, present, future. and how can we understand those connections and how they indeed with clarity they may lead to healing into growth. So Ann bring it to you now. Um I was thinking have you ever considered the idea that uh ailments or you know sickness or the challenges or even On an opposite manner, the strength that we have and we find in our body could be

w. Um I was thinking have you ever considered the idea that uh ailments or you know sickness or the challenges or even On an opposite manner, the strength that we have and we find in our body could be more than just a physical phenomena. What what your thoughts? What do you think we can talk about how we are we're we're given this body and we don't know either way if it's good, it's bad or ugly. Is this physical? Is it spiritual? What is it? So I first let me say hello everybody. Thank you Marcia for inviting me. This topic is a topic that I really enjoy. Uh we are not going to find a final solution for it but we're just going to have the opportunity of have some thoughts and reflections uh today and I would say that first and foremost let us think about ourselves. Quite often when people think about you know the law of action and reaction and uh and presentation in the form of ailments or difficulties with the body people are very quick to judge others. So let us leave the others with their issues and let us look at our own issues because the sage of antiquity had already said that the most important task we have on earth is to know ourselves. And sometimes people uh when they say to know ourselves, they take a very intellectual philosophical approach to it. But maybe I'd like to add a biological element to it. What about our bodies and knowing our bodies as well? And some people they will they will say, "Oh, I know my body really well. I'm very sensitive to my body. I know when I'm ill. I don't need to have a test. I already know." People have uh know that they're going to become ill. what's coming. They know about their reproductive cycle. They know the all kinds and other people they're just oblivious of their body. So if I take it to let's the starting point of our knowing ourselves. If we think of ourselves as eternal spirits who have been created simple and ignorant and we are on a journey of evolution that is never ending and which involves repeated episodes of experiences on

. If we think of ourselves as eternal spirits who have been created simple and ignorant and we are on a journey of evolution that is never ending and which involves repeated episodes of experiences on school earth at the moment. This is our school where we're coming. I love it. I love it. Yes. This is an episode of learning that we are having and in order to participate in this episode of learning we have our equipment which is our body which is uh what we need to bring to our school in order to be able to interact in this world in this school but our body our equipment is not random it's not by chance it's not the luck of the draw you know I was number 23 in the queue so I got this body it's not like that if we think u that there is order to the universe and that divine laws are wise and just and loving despite the fact that we can't truly understand everything in its greatest expression we can learn little bits about each thing. So therefore the body we have for this life must be subject to these laws which are wise and loving even if we don't totally understand them. So that's where I'm coming from the philosophy. I love it. No, no, I love it. I love where you're going. Yeah. And I even um think that uh uh what you said um you know, not the lucky number X and voom voila. And I have to say and I jokingly but not so I and you know me I am the shortest adult in of a family of very short people. So I kept saying oh next life I'm going to be tall and slender and beautiful. I'm going to be a model. Those are the flights of fancy, right? That's exactly the opposite of who I am. But what you said is so true to me, Marcia, but everybody else. Our body, this body is not a random, oh, it was an accident where chromosomes here and DNA there and we got it all together. This soup and and you you you you are who you are now. No, not at all. It's it's it's a beautiful result of this highly synchronized orchestrated uh plan to provide us with and I love what you said as well the equipment so

you you you are who you are now. No, not at all. It's it's it's a beautiful result of this highly synchronized orchestrated uh plan to provide us with and I love what you said as well the equipment so that we have the right u uh books in the metaphor of school earth. We have the right equipment. we have the right circumstance to leverage the most of the current moment. So, thank you for that. And I I I get get back to you the the the mic, but I I just had to jump and I think I don't know how it is for other people, but it does help me to think of it like that. Mhm. And then uh just like putting it out there as well as you know my background um I mean I'm retired now but um my formation I'm a midwife and I saw many spirits arriving in their brand new bodies. Beautiful. Yeah. Which also you know always helped me to to reflect and how people are happy with their baby or not happy with their baby because it looks this way or looks that way or whatever. But we think the formation of a human body is quite miraculous. Well, actually, you know, I'm a grandmother now and going through the pregnancies of of of my daughters and things. It just I always say to you can't take it for granted. It's the miracle of life. You know that two little one cells come together. They go boom, release light and form one cell that then starts multiplying, multiplying, multiplying, multiplying. And then at the end of 9 months here you got this gorgeous little baby that looks like mommy or looks like daddy or something like that. How does this even happen? You know it it is a bit of a miracle. But that formation those that selection of genes it's interesting because we all learned about genetics at school and stuff in biology in secondary school biology and uh there is an element of how those building blocks come together or what mom brings what dad brings into the element but you have like choices. So why is one gene selected and not the other? Why you know does one sibling have blue eyes and the other sibling

ogether or what mom brings what dad brings into the element but you have like choices. So why is one gene selected and not the other? Why you know does one sibling have blue eyes and the other sibling doesn't? So I say, oh yeah, you have a chance of 25% or one in four, but what makes you be that one in four or the three in four, you know, is that is that random? I tell you, nothing in this universe is random. Everything has laws behind it. So the the body that's been generated it has the biological laws that are actioning according to to that but it has also what is this spirit bringing in from their own energy if you like. So when we say like the past, it's like almost if we want say we have a cloud of energy which is our spiritual body that is with us. That is us. This is us. We carry everything with us. I I say a joke here. I don't know if I ever said it but it always makes makes it makes me laugh. Many years ago Franco was here like giving giving talks and you know he's very here is England right? Yeah. here is England. Yeah. And he's giving talks and there it's very popular. There's a lot of Brazilians who are immigrant here and they all come to his talks and then people come to talk to him afterwards. They say, "Oh, I don't know. Should I stay in the UK or should I go back to Brazil? Should I come? Should I go? What shall I do?" Blah blah. And he could do whatever you like, but don't forget in your luggage, in your suitcase, you will take your troubles, your your issues because you don't leave them in one country when you go to the other one. They go in your luggage. So when we come into a new life, we bring our stuff with us. Yeah. Our stuff from before doesn't make us bad or good. It's just who we are. We have unresolved issues, things that are haven't worked out well that we have to revisit all kinds of things like that. And this comes with our energy. So like say it's expressed through our spiritual body if you like and when the spirit Andre Leuis he describes beautifully in the book

it all kinds of things like that. And this comes with our energy. So like say it's expressed through our spiritual body if you like and when the spirit Andre Leuis he describes beautifully in the book missionaries of love uh of of the light how in the process of reincarnation when those two cells from the mom and the dad come together and there is an there is an explosion of energy a photon is released they take photographs of it nowadays it's fabulous the spirit is connected at that very moment that moment of conception. Yeah. And from there on that spirit that's coming in that's you, me or whoever is affecting the development of the body. So the body is following the natural laws but also the spirit that's coming in is impressing through its own energy. Yeah. Yeah. What what is necessary and at the same time this baby is in the mom's womb which is an environment subject to the mom's thoughts, feelings, emotions, environmental factors? Does she live in a healthy place? Does she live in a polluted place? Is she in a place at war? Is she in a place of peace? Is it a place where there's domestic abuse? Is there a loving partnership? Is there a loving family around? What are the impressions that this mom is getting from the environment which are affecting the baby? They have fabulous images nowadays of a fetus showing how the fetus reacts to people shouting in the room and it coils up and how joyous joyous music and nice things going on. Yeah, the baby nervous system everything is being affected by this environment which is the physical environment, the mother's environment, her womb. And then they say nowadays they use the word epigenetics which means that some genes are affected or switched on or switched off because of the environment. But this is not chance because our mom, our dad, they're not by chance. These are exactly the people that we needed to be our parents and that's why we come in to be their child because they also need us as their child. Yeah, the family

om, our dad, they're not by chance. These are exactly the people that we needed to be our parents and that's why we come in to be their child because they also need us as their child. Yeah, the family relationships, everything is intertwined and and we can think right when you we talk about the environment of the baby that has been uh inside the mother's womb and it's it's not only receiving the the loving or indifferent, right? It it can happen. um energies from the mother. Uh also the the what the from a biological and very material what is the the nourishments? What are what are the uh in my I have to tell you this I have to take this when when I was pregnant for my my two children. I was quite young but at the time I was um vegan right uh macrobiotic. I mean really what I put in my body uh it was very pure, very uh uh nutritious etc. Not a drop of and I'm addicted to coffee but not a drop of coffee and and no sugar. No sugar. No no no nothing bad. And it's very interesting because those two babies uh as they grew, you would put chocolate in front of them and it never sparked what many kids will have this crazy I I I want candy. I would not eat my soup or or or my my dinner if you don't give me this the more delicious one. and everybody else friends at the time this is quite a while ago they would tell me how did you do it and I didn't it was during the conception right during the not the conception but the pregnancy the choice which was quite easy for me to to keep taking care of the nutrients that those babies would receive and this is just one of many many many environmental and in internal factors that can uh impact the baby, how the baby's born, right? Yeah. And so here I also like want to take the opportunity just to say something Yeah. is that if anybody's listening in and they feel, oh, I did a, you know, I didn't do a good job. I ate all the wrong things. I didn't look after my pregnancy. Don't feel guilty. Don't feel guilty. Please don't. Yeah. world because everything is

feel, oh, I did a, you know, I didn't do a good job. I ate all the wrong things. I didn't look after my pregnancy. Don't feel guilty. Don't feel guilty. Please don't. Yeah. world because everything is just right. That spirit came through that condition, that situation because that was exactly what was on offer and that was known. So if you need to be born in a place of peace, you're not born in the middle of a war. You're born somewhere else. If you need to be in a place where where there is war, you're going to be born there. Yeah. So and it's not by chance because these things affect the our bodies that are forming. So a baby that is formed for example in a is born in a place of war has a very high reactive level because survival is dangerous. It's a dangerous place. They cry less. They'll be more alert and they will have they will be different in their setup. Although they look the same, they will be set up. Their triggers will be different to a baby born in a different place. So you don't have to say, "Oh, I wish I wish I wish." No, just say this is the path that was given to me because I needed it. And so sometimes we look back and we can make my maybe we say, "Oh, my mom wasn't such a good mom or my dad wasn't such a good dad." And you know, we go down that pathway which is absolutely in the pathway of self-nowledge. You need to know what things have affected you. Joanna Angel, sorry to interrupt, but Joanna Angel speaks to that in one of her books, right? where uh even to the topic of health and uh and sickness where specifically you may be born in in a in a place of violence domestic or you know even inner conflicts existential conflicts whatever or in in war or uh the mother was ready prepared the mother was not the mother was too uh present or too absent. There's so many it's like this this color wheel, right? There's so many um nuances of colors that bring you who you are today based on those environment. But it's not by chance and this is absolutely correct. Uh I we are

like this this color wheel, right? There's so many um nuances of colors that bring you who you are today based on those environment. But it's not by chance and this is absolutely correct. Uh I we are impacted by but because we are immortal spirit right and as an immortal spirit I may be born out of this but I may be much more prepared and even an older if you will using our words here right older spirit that is there to actually help the mom or the dad deal with something else. And so it's just reversal of roles if you but it's it's not by chance. It it it plays there's an impact there's an influence but it does not mean that this is formulaic. um the movie that I I thought so many years ago I watched um and I I I will forget the name something Galactica or something science fiction dealing with the idea that once upon a time in the future, right? Um the babies will be carefully chosen and there will be removal of any child that upon this development inside a mother's womb um of any any baby that will come back defective if you will. And there's more than that. There's several other movies that use that same idea, right? that it it we only need the perfect the perfect uh structure, the perfect height, the perfect health, the organs are perfect. And in that movie, oh my goodness, I need to to watch it again. And um the father actually was not an engineered child, right? He should have been already killed. And it's very interesting the whole idea that it it it's you don't need to engineer life in all its amazing miraculous if you use the word that you used before all of those um aspects of life is beautifully orchestrated right what you come what you have and the body it is something that is specially made for the experience in this earth school as you mentioned before. Yeah. It's interesting that you're saying about um this um obsession with the perfect body. Yeah. Yeah. And we could perhaps think of it as a very materialistic approach because it's just looking at the equipment. Yeah. But not

you're saying about um this um obsession with the perfect body. Yeah. Yeah. And we could perhaps think of it as a very materialistic approach because it's just looking at the equipment. Yeah. But not at the soul. What's important is the soul, the spirit that's coming in, not the equipment that they have, not the uniform that they're wearing, but who is the student that goes there. But we are strongly conditioned by a very materialistic society. So as part of our self-nowledge also, we need to acknowledge that we can quite often have materialistic views of things and then take that step back and say, "Okay, but just take it to the beginning. We are eternal spirits and we are here in our school. So that and it's interesting because that brings about the idea that there are many uh imperfections present in bodies. Some from birth, some that present later and sometimes uh those imperfections we can call them as deficiencies or we can they can present in the form of disease or illnesses. And it's interesting because even nowadays in the the London Underground, yeah, the seats near the door, the four seats near the door, it's like a little sign, you know, like an elderly person, a pregnant person, and it says, "Please offer this seat to someone who might need it to you." Not all disabilities are visible. Yes. Yeah. So good that we've advanced there. Yeah. A lot of people, they have disabilities that are not visible to us on the outside. So, we're making judgments that somebody maybe because something very visible, let's say they're blind or they've lost a leg or whatever and oh, you know, you can see that and making judgments and things while people have sometimes very severe disabilities that are not noticeable. Yeah. And and I think um you know in that uh um invisibility the cloak of invisibility that some of our conditions have and I'm talking especially mental health right where it's so much easier to see a broken arm and I'm I'm being facitious here but a broken arm or whatever and and yet when

some of our conditions have and I'm talking especially mental health right where it's so much easier to see a broken arm and I'm I'm being facitious here but a broken arm or whatever and and yet when I'm suffering severe depression or pathological levels of anxiety and It's all inside and uh you unless you're very perceptive or in tune it's invisible. But I I'm I'm wondering here um and what if in the you know what if each scar each illness and and even each moment that we are doing well. uh could be seen as this a mirror or an echo or a reflection of something much deeper which is this legacy that is carried through today's body this genetic um expression right from my parents and my you know as a descendant of many other parents but also through this journey that you alluded before this spiritual journey across many lifetimes and uh and what if I don't know you know many people say a scar it's like a a metal from a battlefield right it's like oh you got a you got a scar think about it you went through this or in the aging process um you know that deep uh deep deep frown that wrinkle that some have. And and I say that because my mother uh she had the most beautiful skin. She died when she was 90 and just nothing. Just beautiful face except for this deep crease right here that happened when her father passed and she was only 18. Right? So those those scars are there and they reflect the pain that her spirit went through her her her deep sorrow etc etc. But could we see it? No. Sometimes those are invisible even to some of us who are much more in tune either following Socrates uh his his dictim right of know thyself or because I I really take care of this body. I'm in tune. I'm very sensitive. But even for all of us that are maybe better or more in tune to who we are physically or inwardly. But what if we cannot find it? What if it's so deeply buried that we don't know? Um we don't make the connections. We don't see it. Right. And how what does it mean to us? I don't know if you if you if you

hat if we cannot find it? What if it's so deeply buried that we don't know? Um we don't make the connections. We don't see it. Right. And how what does it mean to us? I don't know if you if you if you want to speak to that. Yeah. I think that I take it like I'm quite pragmatic in my approach as you know. So yeah, we start off our life, we've got our body, it comes with let's say from factory uh setup default default setup. Yes, factory we can change some things. We cannot change other things. uh modern science can help with some things, modern science cannot help with other things. And then we are responsible with what we do with our equipment. What do we do with our body as we transit through life when we are young sometimes we treat our body as it were indestructible. Yeah. You know, we party all night, we take all kinds of stuff and you know, poison our body and oh, we just be ill for a day, next we next weekend we're back for more part of youth, whatever. We will have consequences sooner, you know, the next day or sometimes can have cumulative effects over our lifetime. Depending on how we use our body, that's it's like a car. If you maintain it and you look after it, it will last you longer. But some things are inevitable. And one of the interesting things that um I always reflect on this as well because modern science allows us to look inside the body. You do an MRI scan or something, you can look in and what they have nowadays they call incidental diagnosis. So you go in to have um a scan of your kidney because of something the other and while they're looking there, oh look, they found this on the liver. Oh, they found this on the bell. They weren't looking for that. It's incidental. It pops up because you're looking with this um viewing uh technique which is the MRI. And so they discover loads of stuff that sometimes they don't know what to do with. So they were saying like sometimes you might have what looks like a growth or tumor, might be benign or not, but it's sitting

ey discover loads of stuff that sometimes they don't know what to do with. So they were saying like sometimes you might have what looks like a growth or tumor, might be benign or not, but it's sitting there and they saying you have no symptoms. What's it doing there? and say okay let's review in six months and then maybe six months go back and it might not be there anymore it's disappeared or it might be growing and developing say no actually this is not looking very good let's have a a further investigation so what I'm saying in the past we couldn't do this we couldn't look inside the body but when we do look inside some of the things we find we don't know what to what to make of them so the doctors will both say that you know the body creates cysts and growths that come that go that are affected by hormones by food by toxins by thoughts by all kinds of things that's not clear. there's no like don't have a clear you know evidence that this is what it is just some ideas so we might all have stuff going on that we are not aware of which might not be expressing itself through symptoms in our life and you know I always say it's like u for example my mom she had heart disease for pretty much the last 10 years of her life and it was all like very stressful this heart disease and taking the tablets and doing the tests and doing But in the end, what killed her was not a heart disease. It was cancer. What I mean to say is like, yeah, you might have a disease. You might have a chronic disease that's developed in you and that you need to treat and look after, but that that that might not be, you know, like you're thinking, oh, this is going to kill me. And then something else comes up and does a job because you don't she didn't even know that she had this cancer growing in her because all her focus was on her heart disease. Yeah. And I just using her example is because we can't be looking at everything all the time. We need to live. We need to we need to live. Exactly. Yeah. So what is it with this

on her heart disease. Yeah. And I just using her example is because we can't be looking at everything all the time. We need to live. We need to we need to live. Exactly. Yeah. So what is it with this you know the way that we look at disease and uh health and you know this um duality if you're healthy you're not sick and if you're sick you're not healthy. You know actually uh going forwards Janna Jelis she suggests that actually we should look at it as integral health. That's right. In which we might have an illness that we are treating but we are living well and we are emotionally well balanced with it and we carry on loving our family doing our stuff. We might have limitations come up because of our body not functioning completely but we don't give up on life and we don't go into that position that now I'm a patient I am sick person and that is who I have become the illness is just part of our integral health. So it's like a shift from this you know day night black white illness uh and health and thinking no actually health is much more than illness it can carry with it. So we might have uh diseases, conditions, problems that come that go that we can treat or that impede us in some way or stop us from doing some things that we would like but not others. But we need to live and we need to live well and have joy despite our difficulties. I know that like sometimes people will say oh well I can talk like this because I'm not the one suffering from the disease. I don't mean to minimize anybody's suffering, anybody's difficulties. Nobody can judge or or or comment on other people's. I'm just talking about myself thinking um you know okay so in my lot in my in my lesson this is where I can focus but just thinking that to even if I am sick that I will take the treatments that are available. I will take the painkillers that are available. I will take the surgery if it's necessary. I'll do all these things. But I won't feel that sense of suffering and despair of thinking that I'm suffering unjustly or

the painkillers that are available. I will take the surgery if it's necessary. I'll do all these things. But I won't feel that sense of suffering and despair of thinking that I'm suffering unjustly or that I'm suffering as a punishment or um because I have debts from the past and now this is what I need to suffer. We don't know because this could be a lesson that we've asked for and it's been incorporated into our body. It's a very very good point because the challenge that we wanted to face to grow and to or to see if we we are we are there because to talk the talk and walk the walk are different things as we all know. Yeah. And I'm thinking as as you said right um we may have requested we we actually were part of the the plan right to to to decide to design this new life. And it's almost like maybe uh a tapestry where we were given we chose the colors. We don't we may not know the design but we we get the color. So we're going to be I don't know this is flight so fancy here for my brain and but we decided that this life will be yellow and brown very different than your life and which may be blue and green and maybe lavender very very different tones and we can have different designs different experiences in our lives as the design but the like like uh you're analogy of the the machine the equipment that comes from the the the the factory setting and some we can customize and some it's all it's part it's ingrained in the choice uh meaning that the color of this tapestry uh I cannot change but I can change how I I go about building that life the story that we we live and uh and I I really think that uh it's all about that the role that our spirit play in our health, right? And uh you alluded to it already in terms of uh from a baby being born and it's subject to to thoughts of the mother and environmental impacts. But I think if we if we go beyond the birth in our lives as this this equipment this body um we we should reflect upon how my emotional pattern from this life but also from

and environmental impacts. But I think if we if we go beyond the birth in our lives as this this equipment this body um we we should reflect upon how my emotional pattern from this life but also from prior experiences, prior existence may have left an imprint on the the very structure of our being, right? Meaning that uh that imprinted on my health challenges or blessings despite the fact that I can't take good care of my body or not. I I I knew somebody was so funny. He was quite an elderly man and he joked because this man was healthy. I mean just he was blessed with this body no matter what. He was healthy. He uh drank every day. He smoked like a chimney since he was 15. And this is a man. So 60 plus years of smoking inhaling all the toxins. He would eat fatty fatty foods. And I'm like how? And yet his body was good. He could deal with all of this. He he died quite late in life without any issues whatsoever. In the meantime, right, I I see of myself if I take a whiff of something that is bad for me, I immediately fall ill. So we have different predispositions. But beyond the material u food the nourishment we we should be maybe thinking about what are the aspects of our emotional well-being uh from today and from before. How do they really design or impact our health today? Right. Yeah, that's that's a really important point and as you you speaking Marcia was coming to my mind because not only from the past but today if we think of our body we are constantly sitting under the influence of this constant irradiation of thoughts from ourselves and emotions and our body is drenched in this all the time. So the quality uh of our thoughts and emotions is affecting our body at a cellular level although we might not be aware of it. So it might be interesting because we have like I say self-nowledge is absolutely crucial to understand ourselves and even let's say what is my body telling me about you know these ailments is coming out why am I having a problem with my skin or why am I having a problem with

utely crucial to understand ourselves and even let's say what is my body telling me about you know these ailments is coming out why am I having a problem with my skin or why am I having a problem with my heart or why am I having a problem with the digestion is it what I'm eating on the outside or is it what I'm feeding from the inside is it something you know that I've been feeding for more than one life so we have the opportunity to have that introspection and thoughts and to explore that and again I go like without feeling guilty but feeling curious the curiosity of thinking aha this is happening let me have a think about you know where could this where's the root of this where's this coming from because we can make things better or worse depending if we are immersed in good uh or or disturbing thoughts So for example um you find lots of stuff like this you know on the internet modern things but using uh love for example and doing for a daily exercise for example that you look in the mirror and you say I say hi an I love you hy you're a great you know well done another day here we go and I say to my body well done you come so far I love you you know even if I'm hobbling because my hips's not Okay. Or my heart's gone funny. I still love you. It's like the love of a mother for her child. I love you regardless. I love you, Mr. Body. I love you, Mrs. Body. I love myself spirit. And just forcing, you know, to bring out that love and to that understanding of what it means and not say, "Oh my gosh, I'm getting old. Oh, this body is not working any worse. It's getting worse." Yeah. So, what are you doing? to like just like kind of stop and say what am I actually doing to myself? Am I helping myself or am I just making things worse? It's uh it's sometimes simple things like that is just to perhaps build up a routine and to exercise that routine to help us to create good new habits because our old habits they're coming from a long time and sometimes we need to change them to

t is just to perhaps build up a routine and to exercise that routine to help us to create good new habits because our old habits they're coming from a long time and sometimes we need to change them to new ones and sometimes society might not be saying the same things as us because m the society is still as we said before very materialistic. So how do we as recognizing ourselves as these eternal spirits with all this history with all this acknowledgment of the wisdom and the love of God's laws in which we are immersed how can we best go with the flow not fight it but go with the flow I love it I love what you said and uh I I would like to just invite all of us maybe in a moment of reflection If we can think that uh right this is the map not a map that you can hold in your hands but a map that is here that this body reflects and uh it you know in the fabric of our being which includes our genetic code it includes our spirit spirit, our body, our parispirit, right? Our life experience. And if you think of it, all of it in this very intricate map. And if you move into from paper into the idea of a digital, right, where you can zoom out or zoom out or zoom in to go deeper and deeper. And uh if we think about it right uh we we are like a city or a map right it needs to be constantly be updated. Uh we our body our spirit is not just a passive observer of our lives. It actively and participates in shaping this existence which includes the health of the body. Right? So if if you think about it, if the spirit is responsible for all that we decide, all the actions or all of our thoughts, all of our uh emotional response to things, our um I don't know, unresolved emotional wounds or uh actions that have really rather uh difficult consequences from the past. Um how does it all come into this map, right? What what are the memories that we're carrying with with us as this spirit shapes us? And and I think uh uh when we think about it, it it is quite complex but it's beautiful overarchingly beautiful um when we when

the memories that we're carrying with with us as this spirit shapes us? And and I think uh uh when we think about it, it it is quite complex but it's beautiful overarchingly beautiful um when we when we start to to reflect upon it right and and I think it it goes back to what you said let's uh let's think about this conversation as this invitation really to to take a moment to consider right uh I'm going for another metaphor here. And like we have this cosmic scoreboard, right? And our lives and we can start to play with uh yes score uh good or bad or you know just what is going on and how that score will reflect on how we go about at the end of the tournament. Did are we doing well? Are we losing? What are the things that are happen because of the daytoday decisions, daytoday thoughts, daytoday emotions? All all of this this that uh uh can be intrinsic or extrinsically impacted how we live in this biological um you know social spiritual body that is here right now. Oh, beautifully said. But uh I have to say we can talk some more, a lot more, but as I look, we're coming to an end. Can you believe that? It's just how fast time goes. And uh wanted to ask Ann, do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up today's conversation? Yeah, my final thought is is to go back to love, to love yourself, to love your body, uh to embrace everything with love. There is a J she always says uh when facing difficulties whether they are physical, emotional, spiritual, she said why not try love. Beautiful. Let's let's try love first, right? Everything else is is is secondary. Let's try love first. Beautiful. And uh just wanted to to take this opportunity to kind of conclude our conversation today because we we discussed many topics centered around the idea of that uh the dichotomy right as you as you put it uh uh which should not be polar opposite. It's just two facets of one experience in life which is health and disease. And uh it's important that we we are through this topic we are reminded that uh uh

uh uh which should not be polar opposite. It's just two facets of one experience in life which is health and disease. And uh it's important that we we are through this topic we are reminded that uh uh our existence is not just or any if any random collection of cells put together, DNA put together or even experience that they are deeply deeply interwoven in this tapestry of spiritual ual and emotional lessons that span this lifetime but actually can move on to different lifetimes, different uh corporeal existence. And if we if we explore our body, we can see that as this map that we alluded earlier, they they hold perhaps echoes or or threads or design from past lives. They include perhaps unresolved trauma. they they have imprinted uh some um you know karmic or uh unresolved issues that are crying for resolution. So let's think about it everyone with each ache with each sensation each experience let us think about it this is not just a physical manifestation of an event a an occurrence an illness but really it is a message that somehow is whispered through the language of our body urging us to heal, to learn, to grow. So I think this is quite beautiful because we we really need to to believe right and in the miracle that is life. And even when the message may be invisible or less visible, we we should look for what are they? what are the messages that are whispered through the language of our bodies. So let's all of us be here today and uh thank you Ann thank all of you for being here and uh remember that uh I think Ann you mentioned that so correct me if I'm saying this wrong but healing is not the absence ab absence of illness but the presence of a balance yes of the the presence of balance, right? That integrate uh all of what we are including body, mind, the soul, all of the deeper truths of who we are and quite beautifully who we are becoming. Right? So, I just want to say thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We we are here on a weekly basis and our psychology and spirituality

we are and quite beautifully who we are becoming. Right? So, I just want to say thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We we are here on a weekly basis and our psychology and spirituality talks are based on the works by Joanna D'Angelus. You heard both Ed and and I referring to her. So check her out. She's an amazing spiritual author for many many different books. Um, and uh, hope you're able to perhaps use some of the thoughts brought to us today to to help expand your own concept of spirituality, psychology, etc. I want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ann. You're a wonderful partner in in this program. I really appreciate you and I appreciate Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. Absolutely. And I want to appreciate our sponsors, right? So, Manel de Caminho, the United States Spiritist Federation, the International Spiritist Council, and AMI Brazil, which is this beautiful um medical spiritist association, and Ammy Brazil is the Brazilian arm of it. With that, I want to say thank you, and I'll see you next time. So long everyone. Bye.