Ep 124 - Talents, Trauma, and Transformation: A Dialogue

Hi everyone, welcome to psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion. During our weekly episodes we explore this intersection of spirituality and psychology and as a result we capture timeless wisdom contained in both fields. I am so happy to be here and back with Rafael Hendi. Thank you Rafael for being with us today. How are you doing? Pretty good. Thank you Marcia for having me again. Uh thank you everyone for watching. It's a it's a pleasure to be here. Awesome. It's such a pleasure actually, right? It's a it's a moment that is very special to me. But Raphael, I have a situation, right? So if you could imagine this um let's talk about this uh fast growing it's a technology startup right and they're about to launch a revolutionary new app and as you know right every time you you launch an app you can be quite profitable but the CEO who was known for spotting really hidden gems intelligence. She calls in three interns and tells those three interns. Folks, I am going on a threemonth sabbatical. And while I'm gone, I would like to ask you, each one of you, to manage a portion of our beta marketing budget. Okay? So, do it whatever you want to do it. I'm going to give you the funds. you use it as you see fit and uh would love to see how you're going to to work on it and grow it. I'll check how you do it when I return. So, Rafael, right, it's a it's a tough call. I work with interns, so I know how hesitant they may be, right? But the first intern just gets really excited. Ha, I have a budget. And he invests in this bold social media campaigns and creates uh platforms for collaboration and working with influencers takes quite interesting um creative risks and as a result the brand explodes in popularity. the second intern, you know, this this young guy, uh, he knew enough about Mark and he studied and he's much more cautious, right? He he said, "Let's just go steady. I have three months. I have a budget, but I'm going to find perhaps low budget ads and

, he knew enough about Mark and he studied and he's much more cautious, right? He he said, "Let's just go steady. I have three months. I have a budget, but I'm going to find perhaps low budget ads and lowbudget email campaign so I can stretch." And indeed he grows right. There is a definite um result from his strategy. Slower but solid. The third internal he is paralyzed by fear. He keeps thinking what if I mess this up. I really want to be hired by the company. If I do anything wrong I am done. I not going to touch the money at all. I don't want to lose it. And he gets the the the funds and puts in a safe account and waits. Three months later, the CEO comes back and Rafael, guess who gets hired, right? Who guess who gets out? You're you're fired. Well, if we think about it, right, this story is a little bit like uh out of the Silicon Valley, but it actually, surprisingly enough, it has ancient roots because it uh mirrors closely one of Jesus' most thoughtprovoking parables, the parable of the talents. And uh and I just wanted to to think about because it's an ancient story with a lot of really contemporary teachings uh about risk, about responsibility, about trust and much more. And uh wanted to let you know that um I've read this parable many many times, but recently Rafael, it has deeply deeply touched me. personally and I just want to know can we talk about it what what does the parable give to us right that's that I mean I love your story um I think you put in a context that everybody understand sometimes it's quite hard to understand what Jesus uh used to say in the parable but I think it would be nice if you could read it okay uh for the audience uh just to remind everyone um what this parable All right, I can do that for you and for everyone. This is found in Matthew chapter 25 14-30. So there's a two to three paragraphs. So let's let's go ahead and get started. Um and the parable of the talent says, "For it is as if a man about to journey to another country

tthew chapter 25 14-30. So there's a two to three paragraphs. So let's let's go ahead and get started. Um and the parable of the talent says, "For it is as if a man about to journey to another country called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability." And after doing that he departed. The one who received five talents went immediately to trade with them and gained five more. The same one the same way the one with uh the one that received two gained two more. But the one who had received only one went away, dug a hole. And that's quite symbolic, right? Dig a hole in the ground and hid his master's money. After a long time, the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The one who had received five talents came and presented five more, saying, "Master, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I've gained five more." His master said to him, "Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master." The one who had received two talents also came and said, "Master, you entrusted me with two talents. See, I have gained two more." His master said, "Well done and good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter the joy." I love that sentence. Enter into the joy of your master. Finally, the one who had received only one talent came and said, "Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not scatter seed. So I was afraid and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what's yours." His master answered, "You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered. Then you should have deposit my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received it back with interest." So take the talent

p where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered. Then you should have deposit my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received it back with interest." So take the talent from him and give it to the one who has 10 talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and they will have abundance. But from the one who has not, even what they have will be taken away, and cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth. A lot there. Oh, but that's a really strong parable. Yes. And I go ahead. Yeah. No, no, I was just gonna ask what does it mean to you if you were to look at it personally? Right. So for me it's I mean it's very clear in a way that um you know what is the point of life? What is the meaning of life? So for us who understands a little bit about the gospel and uh spiritism we understand our our meaning here is to evolve. So evolution is um a key um concept right in our life. So when you are born or when you come back when you reborn and uh you bring all your experiences from past lives because we can't we have to stop thinking that we are this body and we only have this life. It doesn't make any sense. And I believe all the audience here agrees with that. But if you don't agree, I hope by the end of this talk we can actually convince you. But but um what happens is when you come you have your talents with your gifts or what you learned in the past in past lives. So then you come here to do something else. So you have to improve. You have to make it better. and and this requires work, dedication, resilience, um resignation, and all of this um that Jesus taught us. So, if you think about the two first servants, they were actually doing what they're supposed to do. One had five talents because he had more experience. The other had two and the other had one. They all get the pot same possibility to make it better to improve it to double it. The first two did it the last one, the third one did not. And this is

ence. The other had two and the other had one. They all get the pot same possibility to make it better to improve it to double it. The first two did it the last one, the third one did not. And this is because of fear. Yeah. Right. So then you get to another point of this conversation which is one of the major breaks I would say for humanity is fear which you know prevent that third servant um to do something better and which means in terms of reincarnation is that by the end of the life the other two the first two they actually evolved they got A+ in this big big test called life and the third one actually became I mean got stuck on the same level and we have to start all over again but why is this sorry I'm I'm being a little bit long but just to No no no it's good because I I'm I'm thinking about uh that you can also if you can as you're talking about the destiny right the two versus the one if you can talk a little bit and sorry for interrupting your train of thought, but a little bit about the law of progress that we find in the spirit's book, right? And and how it uh it uh really pushes us to believe that it's a choice to Right. But go ahead and conclude your Oh, yeah. So it's it's just just to conclude is what you you know the end of this parable is kind um kind of shocking because you think about you know the master uh sending you to darkness and but if you think about that it's not actually the master who sent you through darkness but you did it yourself starting with hiding your talent and afterwards you realize that you shouldn't have done that and Then it comes to the real pain which is the pain of the soul, the pain of the spirit. And at that point you become you feel like that the very guilty and you need to restart and that process makes us very very uncomfortable. Yeah, you you're you're you're really uh making me think of several other questions. But uh just before we move on to additional questions, Rafael, maybe you can talk to the audience who may not

able. Yeah, you you're you're you're really uh making me think of several other questions. But uh just before we move on to additional questions, Rafael, maybe you can talk to the audience who may not be as familiar with spiritism as you are to to tell them what is the law of progress and how does it uh reflect quite well this parable, right? Which is it's your choice. you can you can stop you can do nothing and there consequences versus moving ahead and and uh and growing and evolving. Right. Yeah. If you think about um evolution then the law of progress. Um so we go with the science everything that we started all like a very I mean a unisellular organism growing growing until you get here. But what we see in science is just the physical part of it part of it. But actually what um Andre Andre Louu um explained also Emmanuel explains us um in the books um I can mention too um two of them but evolution into words is one of them which I think it's fascinating. So you see that God creates everybody as simple and ignorant. Um and so that means you have to acquire your ability to become a good spirit eventually. This takes billions and billions of years until you reach this level where we have uh you're rational. You have a straight line thinking and you are responsible for your acts which means free will. So we have our free will and we can do things according to what we think is right or wrong. For many times we know this thing is wrong but we keep doing it. So that's the problem because there's no other way to evolve if you if you don't commit mistakes. The problem is us human beings on planet earth, we love to repeat the same mistakes over and over and that's what makes this a big planet where most of people suffer at least some part of the life. Yeah. So and then progression means evolution. So I see it's like a circle. You come from God acquire all the experience and you want back to God. And then I get another point. So for all this travel, all this trip returning to God, there are several

I see it's like a circle. You come from God acquire all the experience and you want back to God. And then I get another point. So for all this travel, all this trip returning to God, there are several or multiple reincarnations. And when you get to this point where you reach your final reincarnation, that's when you resurrect. So resurrection is that beautiful when you go back to the father. Yeah. Um so that's evolution. That's the law of progress. I love it. Yes. I love it. Um, I wanted to, you know, when because when we we're talking about the the meaning of the parable to you, right? Uh, and I have to say to me, I I've had a really difficult year, Rafael, and I even went very close to burnout last year. Uh, had to have a couple of medical procedures. It's my body was really crying for help, right? And uh it was in the midst of all of that anguish and difficulties etc etc that I read this parable and and I saw that I was behaving as the third servant and I was I have been given uh an opportunity and fear was paralyzing me and with the paralysis and inability to to get to where I needed to be. What does it bring? Right. Guilt and shame and that really very terrible cycle of uh um emotions that are were just being repressed by me because I've you know I'm a I I tell everybody I'm a recovering workaholic. So I know how to work. I love to work. And yet in that uh in that environment I was just falling apart. It was very very difficult. And once the meaning came to me from this parable, it was like h I am free because I can see that it was really fear that drove to drove me to to feel so much anxiety, so much difficulties to an area that it comes so easy otherwise. So just very interesting how it it has deeply deeply touched me. Yeah. Yeah. Um we we are told by some people that um interpret this parable uh where they say that the the talents are a an expression of trust. So either the Silicon Valley CEO that spots raw talent and go like I'm going to give you money my budget and see how well you do

le uh where they say that the the talents are a an expression of trust. So either the Silicon Valley CEO that spots raw talent and go like I'm going to give you money my budget and see how well you do it or in this case the master that goes away to a distant country and leaves those three servants to to to to do um to work with the talents and and see how they do. But uh from from that perspective um how can we understand psychologically speaking how can we understand uh talent as not only the ability because that's how I've always interpreted this parable but also inner inner strength or even past trauma. Have you thought about it and can you maybe talk to us about it? Well, that's that's really nice because you kind of bring a little bit about young and all these concepts of self and shadow or conscious unconscious um ego. So you can also look through that way. Um your talent are you know the good things and the bad things you have. So the good things you have to improve it, the bad things you have to um to turn into something good, right? So that's the purpose of the when you come back to this life. So you have bad things you did before. So you have to repair but we also you also acquired so many virtues before. Yeah. And now you can make it even like double as the talent. Yeah. The parable. So it is more like usually when you think about his talents or gift we think about something like oh I'm a musician so I have to make to play music or um I'm good at math so I'm going to be an engineer something like that. Yeah. So uh but then it's it's more than that. It's much more because uh it talk talks more about you know your your feelings how we face you you think about how hard it is for um all the community of good spirits to bring us to life again in that specific family that specific time. So there is a planning I mean a project that needs to go on and you come here and you do everything you can you should do everything you can you know to pay it off and how you pay it off by double

me. So there is a planning I mean a project that needs to go on and you come here and you do everything you can you should do everything you can you know to pay it off and how you pay it off by double your talents by doubling your ves acquire more ves and get rid of your vices and once you return to the spiritual world then you say your conscience tells you okay I did it better. So what is happening is that your conscience is expanding expanding and your unconscious which drives your fear drives your insecurity this is all comes from the unconscious um it's going to become smaller and smaller and smaller and then you become a fool a hold which is the purpose of young uh psychology right yeah this is this is so so interesting when we think about it, right? When we allow ourselves to to really take those concepts and uh really internalize as well. And uh um to me um there is an additional aspect to it which is uh traditionally speaking uh if we read or or interpret this parable, we start to look into responsibility and trust. We talked a little bit about it and in our lives we're not going to give a talent but maybe at some point we were giving I don't know uh a resource and the resource can be time it can be money can be education it can be uh even for some people the innate charisma or innate leadership skills something that makes you uh that you're you're prepared right prepare to do something quite special. And and then um the other concept again traditional reading of the parable uh is the idea of action versus inaction, right? Um how how can we think about even the small efforts they matter, right? To be paralyzed, to do nothing can in out of fear in this case, in most of our cases is really really really worse than trying and failing because in the process of trying and failing, we're learning. We're progressing. Right? And finally, the third point in this traditional aspect of uh the parable is about accountability. There is an expectation right? There is an

ing and failing, we're learning. We're progressing. Right? And finally, the third point in this traditional aspect of uh the parable is about accountability. There is an expectation right? There is an expectation given in in either context the Silicon Valley or in Jesus parable there's this expectation I challenged you and what are you doing with this with this bill this opportunity and uh and it picks us it it it brings us to this idea that should we look at ourselves and look for all the ments that we have received. Yeah. In our lives, right? Yeah. And what are we doing daytoday? How how is in this case fear really hurting us and and uh making us unable to fulfill the promise of what we already have. Uh so I so I think um not only fear but maybe even some familial conditionings right uh for example and we both live in the US right but uh if we're maybe living in I don't know I'm picking a country right somewhere in the Middle East somewhere where culturally speaking there are uh expectations that are different for male versus female, the elder versus the young, etc., etc. And uh so those are conditions to the behavior. But we're talking about same conditions to three people as the context. And yet one and that one we all should look at it. Am I that one that is so afraid? And and I think it's it's fear, but it's also um judgment because if we extrapolate from from from the parable, we live in the society that is so distracted but is distracted in in a voyerism, right? Exhibitionism and voyerism, feeding each other uh through social media, for example. And we're we're becoming really good at snap, right? It's a it's a one second judgment. I I just have to tell you this. I was uh scrolling one of those days and somebody posted a picture of a guava and and then it said, "Now tell me what you think." That's all. Right. And then he put down in one of the the right as a comment comment. Yeah. Well, it's in the comment section. I know I'm gonna hear a lot of bad stuff because we're used to it. This

" That's all. Right. And then he put down in one of the the right as a comment comment. Yeah. Well, it's in the comment section. I know I'm gonna hear a lot of bad stuff because we're used to it. This is just a fruit. But true to form, people are just back and forth about the fruit. You're wasting my time. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. like why are we so conditioned in this case to to to judge and to be angry or to have a reaction to have a strong opinion. Um and and that's the exhibitionism, right? It's a I I can judge, I can look and I can put myself out there. I want people to see me even when I I'm not the I'm not cast myself in the best light. I don't know. Those are just the thoughts. That's I mean it's really beautiful what you said. I mean everything you said it's extremely important and there is one word you said um during um what everything you talk now that is actually a key point um that everybody has this talent everybody has. I'll tell you what what it is and this is called time. So you can think of you just mentioned we love being you know scrolling Facebook, Instagram and all these things and judging two hours later we're still there. You're there. So you spend two hours doing absolutely nothing. What should you be? How should you be using that time? Yeah. To work for God. Right. So the time is something you don't need to charge. You don't need to be rich. Everybody has. So you see if you have a little bit of time 10 minutes maybe to talk to someone. Sometimes you are in work you are in a in a hurry many things happen. You mentioned about a burnout. It happens a lot. I mean I feel sometimes the same thing. So we have to manage several things. So it then comes to a person in her office knock and say, "Well, I want to talk to you." Yeah. And spend one hour pretty much crying everything out. And some people would be, "Hey, I don't have time for that now. Please come back another time." Some people would listen to one hour what that person has to say, but deep

y much crying everything out. And some people would be, "Hey, I don't have time for that now. Please come back another time." Some people would listen to one hour what that person has to say, but deep down it's like, "What am I doing?" Yeah. Yeah. Absent, right? Absent. Not really present. Yeah. No. Or you can actually use that 60 minute 60 minutes 1 hour to help that person at least listening. So it doesn't matter if you're rich, if you're poor, if you are a CEO, if you're just a servant. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Time everybody has and it doesn't cost anything. So that's what I learned with this parable and I begin to hear okay so what what is my gift? What do I see? Because we when you when some I mean I I I'm sure someone already asked you so uh what are your uh defects? What are your virtues? And it's so easy to say bad things about ourselves. Yes. But we also have good things. So get that those good things and put it in context of helping um working for God for Jesus and giving that to others. So that's what I begin to do um uh thinking about this parable. I think it's really deep uh and and it touched me as it did for you and I understood so I need to work somehow. Yeah. Um for God in a way using my talent that I will expand it to other people. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So I think that's one of the key point having time giving time to others and it's it's a it's a paradox right if if the the the question of time um because we've never ever in the history of our civilization have we had this much time at our hands. Why do we say that? Well, because of automation, because of uh better and better um life conditions and this and that, yet uh we don't treat this gift of time with the appropriate uh reverence that it should have, right? We waste time. Uh uh my I don't know this is coming from my mind here but perhaps my grandmother uh had to wash clothes by hand and it takes much longer than what I need to do which is poof in the in the washer and however long it may take just pick

ng from my mind here but perhaps my grandmother uh had to wash clothes by hand and it takes much longer than what I need to do which is poof in the in the washer and however long it may take just pick it up and and put in the dryer and that's all it takes. is just this concerted discipline of doing that. Yet, what am I doing with what I've got that my grandmother did not have? And I have to tell you, uh, thinking of her, an incredible woman. Uh, she had, like you said, that 60 minutes to listen, right? She was always there. uh considered the matriarch of our family. But uh she provided what we all crave which is to be seen, to be heard, to a sense of belonging as as uh uh gregarious animals that we are, right? We we we we have this this thirst for belonging, for being seen, for being heard. And yet we waste time and we become distracted even when the person that we spend an hour scrolling before is face to face. I prefer the the scrolling because I'm much more comfortable. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. That's tough. times where you I mean you're in a partner on the bed getting ready to go to sleep but instead of talking Yeah. you're just scrolling. Yeah. So that's how the life is now. Yeah. So let's pivot a little bit our conversation h if you don't mind um to because you mentioned Jung right and and Jung brings to us the the idea of the shadow and um uh in this case and I mentioned as I was reading the fact that the third servant buries it has a lot of significance symbolically speaking to the shadow right I'm going to bury I'm going to repress my feelings, my fear, whatever they may be, and I'm putting in the shadow. But, uh, how do you think, broadly speaking, how does it play a role in when we see ourselves being hesitant or even reluctant to develop ourselves? Well, so that's it's a really really important point here. Mhm. Um so I go back to um the book one of the book of um Andre Louuise again the greater the greater world. I may be wrong in the translation of the title

s it's a really really important point here. Mhm. Um so I go back to um the book one of the book of um Andre Louuise again the greater the greater world. I may be wrong in the translation of the title um but it's where it explain us about the floors of our mental house. Oh yes love it. Yeah. So in that sense if you think about the shadow would be in at least in my understanding the first floor of your mental house where all um instinct um everything you learn throughout evolution throughout your progress that you don't remember but it's there. So then you move to the second floor where is the present where you're using some of what you learned before to make things better. That's your present with the point of or the idea of to reaching the third floor of your mental house. uh where is when you definitely learn how to become a good person and apply all your virtues all your talents to help um the world. So in that sense many people they I think it's unconsciously they don't want to move forward because it's hard you know we know it's hard you know all the challenge that we are going to face but we are just living in that first floor which means that you are in that shadow and your unconscious is much much bigger than your conscience and this reflects to your daily activity. Yeah. Right. And fear is the major point where prevents you from expanding your conscience. Yeah. And I and I love it. Um so this is a plug, right? It is the greater world um in in in that um which I believe it was first published in the 40s, right? 1940 something something. Yeah. Yeah. So quite a long time ago if you think about it. But uh Andre Louise through the mediumship of Francisco Xavier um they bring back this um this idea of the metaphor if if you will of the mental house and the the different floors. Right. So, uh, if we were to to to bring um to all of us in in a closer understanding of those metaphors, the basement or the lower floor is the subconscious, right? And uh and there Louise really explains that it is in our

re to to to bring um to all of us in in a closer understanding of those metaphors, the basement or the lower floor is the subconscious, right? And uh and there Louise really explains that it is in our subconscious, which of course is such an uh um unconscious as a concept is so key for both Jonah D'Angelus and Jung, right? But subconscious from Andre Louise is where all of our past experiences, right, Rafael? And from from those past experience, we also bring uh traumas, right? And and anything that uh may shape us to repress uh some of those feelings that we don't want to confront, right? the the the conscious mind would be the main floor and it's it's today, it's now, it's our daily life, it's a choices. You talked about free will, super important, right? Our choices, knowing that we have this amazing thing which is called free will, but also our thoughts, our emotions, all of our interactions. uh the person I I am closer to to the person that is uh treats me like the worst enemy it doesn't matter all of our interactions and um the selfawareness is which is key to to our humanity is required there and and finally the upper fool or with the superconscious right it's how he calls up conscience yeah which is that that connection ction which is what it should be all about. Our life should be about getting to the upper floor where we not only find the sacred within but we are able to truly connect to with the divine in our spiritual dimension, right? And and what do we mean by that? It's all about the inspiration. It's about uh uh living in the world that we can access intuition and all that is sacred. Right? So this is so important for us when we talk about it. And if we pivot back to to the parable of the talents, right? What are we doing? And and I can see the servant that hid the talent is the one that can only live in the basement, the lower floor. And because this person is living amid trauma, right, instinct, um, imperfections, all that stuff that that that characterize who he or she is, but

that can only live in the basement, the lower floor. And because this person is living amid trauma, right, instinct, um, imperfections, all that stuff that that that characterize who he or she is, but it cannot move beyond that, right? Yeah. The other one is in the main floor, very present, aware, but is not, you know, just very present. But there's the third one that takes on freely on in intuition and uh and is bold in in his actions and doubles the talent because it it's in connection with the divine uh in in himself. That's what I'm thinking, right? Yeah, that that's absolutely that's what I think too. So I think that's um a great way to interpret that um parable and also to connect Yung's ideas about self and conscience and everything. Yeah. So which Joanna really loves to bring uh Jung's uh thinkings in her books which is pretty nice. I mean, she's just expanding what he said many years ago and in a way that is so beautiful and very hard to understand too. Yeah, I I I I hear that a lot. uh everyone uh I hear from many different people that Joanna D'Angelo is very hard uh to understand and uh and to me I'm not saying that it is not hard but it is so rich right very rich very rich whenever I'm reading any text any book it doesn't matter it's like it's not a it's not a book that you come to your house after work you're very stressed and start reading to calm yourself down that's not the way you should, you know, first calm yourself, meditate, do a prayer, be prepared for what she has to say because it's going to touch you deeply. Oh, I I love that you say that because when my first book that I read, this is a plug for everyone, it was existential conflicts and it's uh I think it's book eight. I I don't remember but right in the middle of the psychology series but that's the first book that I read and every chapter that I read and I mentioned this to several people. So if the if you are here listening to this you you can confirm yes she said that it was like she was slapping me in my face it's like

every chapter that I read and I mentioned this to several people. So if the if you are here listening to this you you can confirm yes she said that it was like she was slapping me in my face it's like wake up Marcia and it was like the truth or or really a a unpacking what to me was very superficial um thoughts and and ideas. She goes deep and she makes you go like, "Oh my goodness." Is that That's right. I I thought like that, but I need to to really be uh better about understanding that that one means exploring your first floor of your mental health. Yeah. So the basement of your mental health. So when you get to those point, it's going to hurt. Yeah. Yeah. But it needs to hurt. Yes. How do you get there? Yeah. So, uh, we have so much to talk, but we are at the tail end, and I just wanted to know, do you have an advice that you'd like to give anyone here that maybe uh, like if you knew about my last year, Raphael, and how I was going through burnout and having all sorts of uh, medical problems and had to go through procedures and and the root cause was fear. here, right? So, I was stuck literally. Uh, what advice would you would you give me or somebody else? Anyone out there? Because I'm good, but I want it. Well, this is it's hard because we all go through these phases in life. Um, but what I suggest everyone is the deep knowledge about yourself or self-nowledge. So when you understand yourself, you understand everything that hurts you, everything that makes you happy. So the more you become aware of everything is hidden in your on your first floor of your mental health, the more you're going to understand your needs. So what is fear, right? Fear could be seen as as a reaction to something um environmental that it's kind of threatening your life. But fear can also be um the inability of um moving forward in life in a way that this fear um will you know if you think about the fear being um um something that prevents you to move forward as I said um and you think about your life and you think

ng forward in life in a way that this fear um will you know if you think about the fear being um um something that prevents you to move forward as I said um and you think about your life and you think about all the challenge you have to place to improve. So that kind of creates a barrier in a way that okay it's better for me to stay like this and that would be easier but we have to knock that barrier down and move and cross it and I would say everyone get to know yourself understand your problems there's it's not a shame to be understandable of your problems and once you find them out. So search for help too. Psychologist and all that could help you ways to find um more answers in your in your basement or mental health basement and then um you understand yourself, you're going to be um much in a much better situation. Oh, thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Raphael for just a real quick synopsis. We discussed today how the parable of talents has taught us for over 2,000 years about uh actually deeply buried talents that could be trauma. But also that uh being aware of when we do that, right? when we have the habit or not to to to bury what is given to us is let us set ourselves free and be the beginning of the possibility of true transformation and I know we've come to our time together it is such a joy to to have you Rafael and I wanted to say thank you and I hope that everyone who's here with us today I hope that this conversation may have inspired you to reflect on your own journey. Until next time, stay curious, stay compassionate and keep striving for that inner truth. for those that are here for the first time and uh I hope you enjoyed and I wanted to let you know that the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on Joanna D'Angel's work and uh we do hope that you're able to perhaps expand your own spirituality concepts by juxaposing them in this psychology and um framework and lens and uh wanted to thank our sponsors uh Rafael. Thank you and thank you Mandel

u're able to perhaps expand your own spirituality concepts by juxaposing them in this psychology and um framework and lens and uh wanted to thank our sponsors uh Rafael. Thank you and thank you Mandel Camille, the United States Spiritist Federation, the International Spiritist Council and EMI Brazil, which is the Brazilian arm of the Medical Spiritist Association. We'll be back next week, so stay tuned. Until then, goodbye. Thank you so much. Thank you.