Ep 103 - Paths of the Unconscious: Integrating the Shadow

hello everyone welcome to today's episode of psychology and spirituality a bridge to better live discussion where we're going to be exploring the intersection of psychology and spirituality and I can say right you our larger theme of our human transformation our inner transformation I'm your host mercando I'm so excited to be here with you and welcome back yudi Castro so we can maybe dive a little bit uh deep into this topic that touches the very core of our personal Evolution and spiritual growth this integration of our unconscious and our shadow today we're going to explore some insight on how we can navigate what we could call you know a metaphor I'm doing the air quote here this dense forest of our unconscious mind which is that hidden part of our psych and also that part that shapes much of our behaviors emotions and decisions right Yi so today I'm inviting you to discuss how facing integrating the shadow right so definition Shadow everyone the repress denied and often uncomfortable part of ourselves right what we don't want to see what we can usually just think metaphorically speaking sweep under the rug and how we as we integrate that part that is repressed into our Consciousness can lead to a true personal transformation and getting to a point where we achieve wholeness a sense of wholeness um today as usual we're going to draw from the wisdom of Union psychology the wisdom of our spiritual teachings and of course the great insights of our amazing spiritual author Joanna deangeles and we can explore together this powerful metaphor of the Shadow right how um it influences our relationships our actions and even our spiritual journey and uh Yi I would like for us to also touch upon the idea of self-love humility awareness of this process of psychological and spiritual integration Yi what are what are your thoughts shall we start maybe with the idea of I spoke a lot about Shadow already of what is the impact of the shadow in our lives good morning good afternoon good

ntegration Yi what are what are your thoughts shall we start maybe with the idea of I spoke a lot about Shadow already of what is the impact of the shadow in our lives good morning good afternoon good evening whatever you're listening to us uh it is always a pleasure and an honor to be here and yes I think it's it's very important that we talk about the impact of the Shadow as you so well defined as this you know the denied and this unknown part of Personality per se or everything that we um we do not accept or we try to um put away but that and something interesting that our nature insists on revealing it something Johanna says it comes to light eventually it comes up and then I think the impact is exactly that the more we try to push against it the more we're going to see the impact the negative impact it has because uh as Yun Point points out the the when he talks about the bipolar structure of of you know the human psyche and all of that and we can dive a little bit more into what the bipolar structure according to BR no yeah I'd love to hear that because I think when we talked bipolar right and it's an aspect of Two Poles right to exactly polarized aspect but we instantly think about oh someone is bipolar therefore there is a an entire uh perhaps pathology that is defined by that word so maybe we can if I yes ask you to to Define per and Joanna and then we keep going yeah bipolar not to be um con like confused with the bipolar disorder uh and and it's something yeah it's definitely a misconception thinking of those two things but the bipolar is exactly that in Yung and Janna d'angeles this by is in two polar means these um opposite or sometimes extremes so these two opposite forces that you know even she talks about Dr jacul and Hy so like the yeah you know those those two aspects that are always at interplay when we're talking about human behavior the human psyche the way we interpret things the way we carry ourselves in the world and the shadow does play like this

two aspects that are always at interplay when we're talking about human behavior the human psyche the way we interpret things the way we carry ourselves in the world and the shadow does play like this role in in the sense of these forces and these things that we try to push to the unconscious but they do come up eventually and the more we try to push against it the more we're going to have a negative impact of doing that action and just want to let you know uh everyone here as well as Udi a couple of episodes ago we spent an entire episode talking exactly about the based on Robert Luis Stevenson's book right The Strange Case of Dr Jackal and Mr Hyde and we referenced a lot to him so I love that you're bringing him in this case him or they the fictional characters of Dr Jack and Mr Hyde to our discussion today thank you so much absolutely and and another thing that comes to my mind when we're talking about this is when Joanna says that the this inability to harmonize these two poles yes like it causes a lot of troubles and and we become victims she calls victims of disorganized feelings and leads to these uncontrolled emotions so that's something that I think that is important for us to realize and does and and um for those of you who may not be aware of uh the it's academic right but this uh idea that spiritism through Alan kardak brings to us the idea that uh there are layers or levels of spiritually evolved worlds right so Earth as we live in this is our world is only in the second layer right of uh of evolution going to three more uh layers until we achieve a state of pure right that we're so uh taking away all of the things that we carry with us well why did I bring that to to us here today it simply put the the the thought that and I I I heard from a a peer that uh discussed this and I believe it's in his his book uh but anyways just bring bring back to what you just said this idea of disorganized uh emotions and uh I would like to to perhaps replicate the the

h discussed this and I believe it's in his his book uh but anyways just bring bring back to what you just said this idea of disorganized uh emotions and uh I would like to to perhaps replicate the the thoughts where combining spiritist um definitions of evolved or not so evolved worlds and disorganized emotions they go hand inand meaning what meaning what you you can say that well let's couple of examples right and the more we are evolved spiritually the more certain things that in our more primitive imature psychologically spiritually speaking Minds go it become unacceptable examples can be where uh very soon um and we're at the brink of that uh how we I don't know how we even manage waste right that somehow all of it either went right there was this uh waste throwing into the universe like what what is going on don't you think at some point it's going to catch up the same way that the industry used to just pour or pump out all the waste into rivers right today we are facing with the normaly of Waste Management not being done therefore the oceans are more and more polluted at some point it's like this is crazy this is barbaric or uh we can even move on to uh disorganized uh emotion regarding anger yes right that leads to I don't know and I can go to two levels right you can start with your own uh awareness or lack of awareness regarding your own anger to domestic violence to urban violence to um countries fighting and world wars right so escalating to the the the the epitome of EP epitome I'm I'm putting Portuguese and English here Yi but the epitome of violence which is an entire uh cluster of countries and peoples killing themselves because of that unbridled emotion of anger so back to you yes and and it's again the the the parallel that you drew there with the planets and the the evolution of the planets and the types of you know planets spiritually speaking it it very much goes hand inand with this idea of the Shadow and this idea of us uh like repressing things and putting like you

on of the planets and the types of you know planets spiritually speaking it it very much goes hand inand with this idea of the Shadow and this idea of us uh like repressing things and putting like you saidwe sweeping under the rug and trying not to deal with that part of ourselves that we still have to work on and this idea of the integration of eventually individuation uh goes through a lot of a lot of that and understanding obviously that we are not we like Joanna says recognizing uh oneself as imperfect you know is an act of true humility so that's something you you you mentioned a little bit self-love humility in the beginning I think something that ties very well with this idea of we are in a planet that's far from being the perfect Planet because we are far from being in a perfect condition as you know as creations of a perfect being we have the Perfection within us but we are in an imperfect condition and accepting that understanding trying to understand that becomes like a primordial part of something that's fundamental and Paramount for our own Evolution for our own uh path our own trajectory what you say I would say that exactly and uh so uh and and yudi is a psychologist right a clinical psychologist he always claims to be Marcia I am not a union psychologist regardless of that he he's here to talk about this this Notions that Yung uh Yung brings to us and uh uh Joanna really uh uh how can you say Yi pushes to uh uh uh beyond what uh uh Yung brought which is the marriage if you will of psychology and spiritism yes right but connection and the parallels and everything that we can apply and a lot of the the the knowledge and the the wisdom that he brought with this his ideas and that are very applicable as she spent years and years studying it and bring it to us you know yeah but I love it I love that you that you're here and uh uh challenging yourself and all of us to to all those Concepts and how they apply in our day-to-day life right Yi I think this is this is awesome it is

love it I love that you that you're here and uh uh challenging yourself and all of us to to all those Concepts and how they apply in our day-to-day life right Yi I think this is this is awesome it is yeah go ahead I was going to say in this idea too uh this embra almost like embracing our own imperfection in a way you know like embracing our own uh like the shadow that part of ourselves that we deny we don't want to look into but understanding that like I said this is the way I view it like we are perfect beings in the sense that we were created from something perfect but our condition is still imperfect because we are still um um starting like I said we used this metaphor before in our podcast here in episodes you know with the child learning to walk yes we're still stumbling and we're still falling we we don't we don't have that walk like the the motion of the walk or you know or running still uh mastered yet but but we're still we're still getting there we're still getting there and it's important to understand where can I improve where what do I still have to to um embracing myself and accepting myself so I can change and I think that's a big point of Yung and it's a big point of of psychology in general in Clinical Psychology and helping people change in that way yeah and and I I would like to add here that uh we celebrate right we celebrate the quite rapid accelerate uh accelerated um rate that a child grows and we're talking about only physically speaking right the the first steps etc etc but oh have you thought about I'm I'm remembering my my my child's first step and uh it was such an emotion her her first words right her her putting together uh when at the kindergarten was able to to actually uh start writing words that later became sentence that one day becomes poetry let's say right so we celebrate but we don't do that to ourselves so maybe we can flip now to talk a little bit about uh uh and you already started talking about uh how self-love this idea of

s poetry let's say right so we celebrate but we don't do that to ourselves so maybe we can flip now to talk a little bit about uh uh and you already started talking about uh how self-love this idea of celebrating um our steps our first steps is essential for this notion of getting to a point where we feel whole what are your thoughts I think again Joanna also brings bring this brings this point um in in her books you know about self-love this idea of us um of self-love being centered around self-respect and self-c consideration you know so the this idea of respecting ourselves but understanding at the same time and understanding that we are we still have the shadow we still have a lot to improve we still have a lot of these things because it's not about just loving the good parts of ourselves it's not just loving the things that we are good at or the things that we do well or the things that know physic physically speaking we're we look good or if uh we're smart or if we we play an instrument well or those things that we do well while ignoring or trying to ignore all all of the other things that come the other things that come with that all the other components that are invariably attached to those good things that we we pride ourselves in so self love goes you know around that yeah and I think uh just uh going deep into that right so uh you you briefly reference pride and and in all of those points but I think it's very very important for us to say hey everyone one Marcia yudi and everyone here selflove does not mean narcissism it does not mean uh selfishness or egoism right it is AB right it's all about uh looking at yourself and Having the courage to do so because it's it's actually a a a very challenging aspect in our world right our defense mechanism is to look externally to the other instead of internally to ourselves uh without uh narcissism but really looking ourselves with courage uh to confront the truth about all of that emotion remember going back to what you said right when our

ead of internally to ourselves uh without uh narcissism but really looking ourselves with courage uh to confront the truth about all of that emotion remember going back to what you said right when our emotions are not organized we see uh points of this and that and it destabilizes us right but if you look and we acknowledge both po the the you know the the the Polar Opposites light and Shadow and we could also talk a little bit perhaps about uh the overarchingly Dual nature of our uh of who we are as a as Humanity uh the the Angel and the demon the good and the evil uh from our Vantage Point culturally um spiritually psychologically we we we tend to to uh see glimpses of both within us and it takes a lot of courage to understand accept respect integrate yes I I agree with that and you know as you're talking I'm thinking too about the self-love and self-respect yeah these two polar like of ourselves and like as I was saying it's not a narcissistic thing when we talk about self love it's very important to make that that distinction it's not the the Warped or the distorted view of oneself uh or highlighting one's own own qualities but this idea that we got here and we have a long we have we still have a long trajectory to go but we we already trailed many you know Many Lives Many Many existences and we acquired a lot of flaws in our ways in those ways that we have not worked yet we also acquired a lot of qualities so understanding the selflove is this idea when I mention like self-respect self-con is understanding that we have put in the efforts and we still have a lot to go but this idea of loving this this person that we are as a as a whole these two opposites that make us unique th those two things make our trajectory and they make ourselves unique as we are with our laws our qualities the challenges that we choose to face when we reincarnate or the challenges that we you know we must face and there ones we choose and the ones that we must face yeah but that idea this idea of the

es the challenges that we choose to face when we reincarnate or the challenges that we you know we must face and there ones we choose and the ones that we must face yeah but that idea this idea of the selflove being like almost loving the the whole loving the process and that is very hard because it's hard when we're talking about loving a part of my part of myself that I don't want to love her a part of myself that it's it's still a flaw it's still something that you know I sweep under drug yeah and I would like to maybe go back because we we went very emphatically say this is not narcissism right but according to psychology and there is a um a pathology right narcissistic personality disorder yes there is a personality disorder called narcissistic personality disorder it's actually it's actually diagnosable but um yeah yeah and and as it um diagnosable uh under I think it's DS s five right the the diagnostic or mental disorders uh some of the elements all that you find if you think of yourself am I narcissistic or not it's just that that grandiosity which goes hand in hand with what you're referencing right with h with that arrogance and uh and pride excessive Pride about me me me you you your inflated sense of self-importance or entitlement but worst of all is the lack of empathy right uh which is just a difficulty to understand or even caring about the other person's feelings so I think what we we start to think about it is let's look at ourselves but let's let's really be aware that uh we don't need to be self absorbed right or or self obsessed and thinking that you are the center of the universe we're not right um but I wanted to to also perhaps uh you you reference reincarnation and uh maybe we can talk a little bit about uh um uh I don't know y um when we when we first talk about Shadow we implicitly in the idea of the Shadow is the idea of the uh uh personal unconscious and the collective unconscious right and how do they um meet and how what is that perhaps at a

t talk about Shadow we implicitly in the idea of the Shadow is the idea of the uh uh personal unconscious and the collective unconscious right and how do they um meet and how what is that perhaps at a different layer um how do you see those definitions uh and I keep thinking right person and conscious Freud Collective andc conscious Yung and then we we add in in this uh uh awareness of how to understand those uh those I don't know how to say the the powers under which we are we are immersed in and and what I mean by power are what of the the items that we are not even aware that is plain a key role in how I behave and how I interpret reality but the the role of reincarnation in the development of the self uppercase s the self the our spirit spiritual nature right so maybe if I can do try to talk about it uh for many of us who have first encountered those Concepts right uh the notion of the unconscious comes as an iceberg correct you ready yes right so it's very interesting because when I first uh uh learned this is this is the joint I can you imagine me in a white board putting a line that's the ocean line right and this enormous triangle the iceberg and a little tip maybe oneth of the of the um iceberg is uh not submerged and we talk about that is what's conscious and everything else it's what's unconscious can you uh maybe talk a little bit more how uh can we interpret within that model perhaps uh the collective unconscious and the person conscious so again and I think you mentioned the bridge yes the bridge with spiritism is interesting because that's why I think Joanna does such a a great job of of bring those those Concepts because you know Freud with the the the unconscious the personal conscious and Yung expanded that in a way to bring to light the collective unconscious because know for him um sort of like sort of like realizing that there was this um inherit reservoir of of archetypes and things like that which is something that Freud didn't didn't consider but I want to I don't

for him um sort of like sort of like realizing that there was this um inherit reservoir of of archetypes and things like that which is something that Freud didn't didn't consider but I want to I don't want to get too much into the differences between those two but this idea that I think you bring it's very important because spiritism helps us through this this notion of the immortality of the soul and the different passages of the soul in the material Plains so this idea that you know this this unconscious all this part of ourselves that you know that that we have and the the collective unconscious all all of this this part that's under water like using the iceberg yeah analogy that we bring and how spiritism the immortality of the soul and the different reincarnations they they have the they sort of explain that and they put into a different optic where we can now look look from a distance and see like ah now that makes sense what there is this part underneath the iceberg you know that there's the iceberg there's this part underwater that when you're looking from the surface because the whole analogy of the iceberg is when you're looking from a boat let's say in the surface the water is usually is usually dark so you don't get to see what's underneath but you see what's there but doesn't mean that there isn't something underneath yeah and we can even talk about it right uh the this is in popular culture we can talk about the Freudian the so-called frein slip where that metaphor of the iceberg also works right if you look at the the the line the the the uh line that signifies within the triangle in the line right the line signifies the um ocean but the ocean has waves so sometimes it moves right there's a little bit more of the of the iceberg the conscious in the unconscious it as it goes up it it uh uh covers what is already should be conscious I don't know if this is true or not but that's what how I I interpret that visually and when it goes down there's a little bit the for slip is

up it it uh uh covers what is already should be conscious I don't know if this is true or not but that's what how I I interpret that visually and when it goes down there's a little bit the for slip is that oh that was in your subconscious it's it was already ready to be you know brought to the surface but we're still maybe not really dancing around right uh uh walking on eggshell if you will uh and we're not ready but when we have the courage we can perhaps lower the line of the the ocean to expose more right to be aware I don't know if if if I make sense or not you yes no I think you do because when as you're talking about that I'm I'm going back to that metaphor that you mentioned about the forest yeah the dance for so we can use another metaphor you know that yeah which is by the way sorry sorry to drop but I know you're talking about the the the dense Force as a symbol I love that yudy right if if you I I'm into Nordic uh movies etc etc and it's amazing how Norse mythology brings deep deep the idea of civilization in this clear right there's a a clearing for City in that dense forest that it it's it's scary it's dark and you may get all sorts of animals and monsters there right but go ahead it's dangerous it's scary and it's unknown that's I think a big piece as well and I love that Joanna talks about that in in a few of her books about this this idea of the dense forest and and she says that when you're when you're conquering a a dense forest the first step is to go and try to open clearings you know in the darkness and in the density so the light can shine through so the light can enter and I think that's such a beautiful analogy for us to think about this dense forest of ourselves and the part that is scary the part that is unknown the part that is you know that there there's danger you know and that we have the courage to start clearing that dense forest so the light can shine through there and then yeah we can know create uh like you said the the civilization

ere there's danger you know and that we have the courage to start clearing that dense forest so the light can shine through there and then yeah we can know create uh like you said the the civilization the service and we can clear that dance forest and and see what's there and grow from that that yeah process as well would you agree I love it I love it I as I said before I'm a I'm a fan of Norse mythology and boy that dense forest it just it's almost like every single time I I'm watching a movie or reading a novel it it comes in so as you can see very very uh huge symbol uh for that culture right we we're we're not I I have never lived in Scandinavia or thetics so but there's this fascination with that symbology and um so we talked about the iceberg we talked about the dense forest can we talk a little bit about uh um just for me right um Y how can we perhaps break down further in those Concepts and how they relate to us on how the this idea of a collective unconscious will will um be and you mentioned the uh Reservoir right this repository of uh experience that is the entire um Collective so nobody escapes I I would say if you if you talked about go going back to the iceberg um the collective unconscious is the sea right and it's not just the Atlantic Ocean it's all of the the water in all around uh this globe merging together um so it's vest and it holds every type of experience which means that my experience today what I'm going through I am adding to that uh ocean of collective unconscious right so it's it's kind of difficult for us to understand but but it's does it really matter I just a a drop of water in the sea does it matter in in from a perhaps psychological view but also uh most importantly spiritually speaking how does it uh my contributions to this vast ocean changes Humanity for that I think of Mother Theresa and one of my favorite quotes of all yeah I all all that I do is but drop what is all of all that I do or or all that I am some people have translated

anges Humanity for that I think of Mother Theresa and one of my favorite quotes of all yeah I all all that I do is but drop what is all of all that I do or or all that I am some people have translated differently uh is just a drop in the ocean but without that drop the ocean would be you know smaller or it would be less and I think that very much answers you know some of these qu questions and uh because very much what we're doing contributes you know we are part of it and if we're part of it it means that without our contribution and we can even eventually talk about charity and all of those things without our own contribution we the the ocean let's continue with the metaphor the ocean is last the ocean has less volume is is smaller or the ocean is perhaps the waters are murkier they're less clear the opinion how am I how am I contributing to this ocean know how how am I contributing to this and I think that that brings an optimistic View and a hope a hopeful um view to us and understand that our actions matter not only for ourselves but for the for others around us there's a reason why we live in society there's a reason why we you know reincarnated those who are listening who are reincarnated in a planet that has societies and we are we have to live in groups we have to contribute we have to improve ourselves and help improve those around us so yes I feel like even if we're doing the one drop versus the entire ocean Mother Mother Teresa's uh quote is very much applicable yeah and and I think it's important um what you said now right we uh from a belief in reincarnation right and and how uh that belief uh really marries quite well the concepts of collective unconscious and person unconscious but also the idea of how we can evolve individually right and collectively and and I think uh uh perhaps we could uh um think about the idea that what is the self or capital S self which Joan d'angeles really says self equals Spirit right so um the spirit of Marcia that now this spirit I don't know the name

could uh um think about the idea that what is the self or capital S self which Joan d'angeles really says self equals Spirit right so um the spirit of Marcia that now this spirit I don't know the name but the spirit that that is now Marcia right now identifies itself as that has created this this ID self-identification which isar Lely a product of my uh egoic construct right we talked about it before no need to demonize the ego it is important for for this this this framework that now Marcano inhabits and and lives under but um there's also this idea that there is a a structure right of the spirit the self that uh uh that frame framework that structure um is one that lives under and is influenced by the collective unconscious the personal unconscious and also by the succession right the the one after the other Incarnation so you you mentioned um just a few minutes ago Yodi about the idea that each Incarnation there was a reason for us to be living this material existence uh AKA our Incarnation but it through each one is really a a yet another step in that uh quite long journey of spiritual growth and that long journey of my own Evolution my own growth will lead to uh this expanding Consciousness being thinking about at some point uh we will expose the entire Iceberg right with the more we become aware of who we are the the more exposed we'll be to our own Consciousness the clarity that dense forest again if you go to that metaphor will be uh will be able to enter the dense forest of our unconscious without fear right yes and when we talking about that thinking about Union terms still like the Shadow and this idea of the the integration yeah know this not not necessarily uh pushing it aside or not looking at it but this idea and the process that we're going to be integrated so when you're talking about the maybe the iceberg being exposed that's what I'm thinking about like this integration between those two parts and then that we saw with as Joanna mentioned with Master Jesus was you know

king about the maybe the iceberg being exposed that's what I'm thinking about like this integration between those two parts and then that we saw with as Joanna mentioned with Master Jesus was you know like the the the great example the greatest example we've ever had to guide us and to see you know the process what is a individuation when it's completed what does it look like that's what it looks like yeah so so I think that when you're talking about that that's what I think of like this this final integration in a way that's going to happen and has been happening it's important to to note that as well but it's going to continue to happen and it's only it's only going to depend on us the the speed of which our progress will take place because progress you know is infallible progress will happen but the speed of it which it will take place depends Solly on us yeah and and it's quite interesting that you say that right uh Mother Teresa referencing her again uh when when you quoted so well thank you for that that we're just a drop in the ocean but without the drop the ocean will be different right um not her words my words now but uh it's it's important for us to to to understand that and uh I I was thinking here um and this is a concept that Jonah d'angel doesn't bring verbatim she doesn't call it that but she talks about the Dark Night of the Soul right so the shadow uh can be related to that dark KN of the Soul which just mean that a period of deep deep spiritual crisis and resulting from that Dark Night of the soul the transformation right so I don't know if you if you want to talk about it uh I I made a mistake uh this is me and my foolish uh ignorant self right I'm going to confess on air What I've Done y this is in reference to that dark night the so uh oh my goodness I had a dear dear dear friend that called me in despair I mean it just really it was a moment of Crisis now you are maybe imagine Marcia what happened to lead her to the moment of Crisis may I tell you

had a dear dear dear friend that called me in despair I mean it just really it was a moment of Crisis now you are maybe imagine Marcia what happened to lead her to the moment of Crisis may I tell you that what happened was simply a flat tire she was I know you is rolling his eyes right now so she had a flat tire and if she's listened to me I love you I love her I GNA give your name but I love you dearly but anyways my my my my ignorance came from saying to her trying to calm her down this is not a moment of Despair this is me mimicking as on the phone with her do not worry this is okay we can uh call triaa to come uh fetch you or somebody can get get you it's okay she was driving in the highway in the winter time very cold all of those things right and uh and my flock came from telling her maybe this is a moment for you to to take the challenge and look inwardly what does it mean to you think about it what pushed you to go into that inner um self exploration could be a cancer yudi not even a year later she found she had cancer and so it's I I as I say this to you I can uh just really feel my how I felt at the time this is years and years ago right uh how dare I say this to anyone because I can't experiencing cancer it's it's devastating for so many of us right uh uh deer and not so dear ones it it is terrible and I said that to to her but I was referencing the concept of this Dark Night of the soul and and uh what we maybe what I would like to to to bring here perhaps is this idea that whenever we enter this sense of deep spiritual crisis that can be caused by external Factor be a flat tire be a terminal disease be it uh I don't know separation divorce uh uh even The Emptiness syndrome whatever external point in one's life that pushes you into that sense of I'm going through a spiritual crisis the idea here like integration of the Shadow is that that will set you free because it will push you in embarking on inner inner exploration right but also uh transformation as you rise from that

isis the idea here like integration of the Shadow is that that will set you free because it will push you in embarking on inner inner exploration right but also uh transformation as you rise from that what are your thoughts on that can you maybe comment on on this idea yudi yeah first I'm sorry about your friend yeah um she's doing well everyone she's doing cancers in remission she's living the life because she did actually go went through a transformation a beautiful transformation of learning or pushing herself to love herself more so well done okay good good for her good for her yeah yeah because this no know and when as you're mentioning and I was thinking too that um that connects with what you said is how we experience things differently and that that reveals something about us and reveal something that perhaps is hidden perhaps is unknown perhaps is you know but it's there the fact that we can have 10 people can have the exact same let's call it the flat tire let's use the example same flat tire but have 10 different sequences of behaviors or 10 different reactions 10 different uh lessons they take from it or whatever we may call that already shows that you know we we this uniqueness of ourselves and this part of the you know the this conscious part of ourselves that comes to the surface and often times manifests can manifest itself in in the T in in a crisis or in a disorder or mental disorder you know things like that and I think that's that's what I was thinking about as you're as you're talking about it and as well as the fact that when we're talking about this part coming up to the surface that we're not aware of yeah all also remembering that too much light can blind as well oh abolutely that is a process that I think uh us clinical psychologist we have to be very much aware of that when we're we're helping people for you know for our living for living because exactly you know this idea of if if we if somebody's in darkness and we come and we open all the blinds and the Sun comes

when we're we're helping people for you know for our living for living because exactly you know this idea of if if we if somebody's in darkness and we come and we open all the blinds and the Sun comes and pierces their eyes they they momentarily they experienced momentary blindness you know so it's this idea of being extremely careful of what are we going to be helping them reveal or what is this process of their own dense forest and them opening this their own like clearings you know I'm swinging as if I have like a scythe or a knife you know like opening those clearings through the forest and understanding that this is a delicate and very unique individual process yeah no yeah absolutely thank you thank you so much uh for for sharing that uh uh when I the the point that I I'm also thinking about with with not so much too much light that's terrible I'm about to say something terrible y please contain me but it's the idea that uh and this is a mistake right we're talking about inner transformation or embracing your sense of H wholeness right that uh that the sense of I am good you I am good I shed light through my shadow I know all my flaws guess what we don't think about it if our awareness of our Consciousness is let's say this is a model academically speaking right of the iceberg 5% of all that contains you if you do another oh I'm going to be brave and say 1% more that you une Earth that's only 6% of the entire Iceberg so uh this is something that happens to all of us this sense of happiness and maybe the celebration that I spoke earlier right hey I can see that I I thought I was humble but I'm really not quite there's a lot of arrogance in me and I'm just giving some opposites here or I thought it was patient but I'm I'm really not quiet or intolerant or whatever those qualities that we try to instill in ourselves but the fact is there's so much to uncover right there's so much there that we we should be aware that celebrate the baby steps but from the first step of a baby it

that we try to instill in ourselves but the fact is there's so much to uncover right there's so much there that we we should be aware that celebrate the baby steps but from the first step of a baby it will take time before you can dance right absolutely just again with the metaphor of the child learning to walk when they take the first step and they don't fall they take the second and they fall but when they take the first step and they don't fall you don't expect them to wake up the next day running a marathon yes why should we expect that for our own solution you know and we do right we we do we do we do because we're still imperfect in the our condition and we we we we are driven by wishful thinking versus realistic you know accomplishments yeah yeah so so I think um we we are approaching in the end but uh some of the things that we can perhaps bring to you to me to all of us here is maybe take this moment to think about it what uh are the aspects of our own shadow that we are encountering thinking about that's the fuding slip or not those are the insights that come to us either from your therapist or sessions or radiother therapeutical sessions or from a conflict or a dream whatever is the vehicle the flat tire but uh as you're facing those aspects um how do we respond to them right Yi how can we uh another aspect that I would like to invite everyone to to think about it is how do we differentiate between that narcissistic traits right and self-love how can we all beyond that beyond the the narcissistic disorder but uh actually uh self-love versus selfishness right maybe those are more easily attainable for us to understand how how when do I know to differentiate and there's no right or wrong answers this is just an invitation for us to to reflect right um perhaps we can also this is my third and final question here how can we perhaps think today um the ways that I can you and I I all can individually speaking um look at the integration of the Shadow and my spiritual Evolution how is

third and final question here how can we perhaps think today um the ways that I can you and I I all can individually speaking um look at the integration of the Shadow and my spiritual Evolution how is it that embracing the notion of wholeness plays into my constantly evolving spiritual experience right so anyways I just want to say it's time to go do you have any final thoughts before we close today Shadow is not an enemy it's it's part of ourselves it's part of our you know the process of the integration and we must face it we we cannot uh just shy away from it and try to ignore it because as Joanna says nature is going to um reveal it help it like reveal that part of ourselves yeah yeah and I I I'm going to add something else I think we we can do another uh 30 seconds and forgive me because this is from memory uh looking at uh somebody posted in in the social media uh platform and I read um not so long ago we seen a Brazilian actress fand Tois who won her her Golden Globe for um a beautiful movie I saw the movie and I bought the book haven't finished reading but uh I actually was compelled to to to read the book but anyway she she received the the golden global war for best actress and um and there's so much celebration within Brazil all of a sudden this is this is the first right the first time so how can we do this how what does it mean to the entire country and the aspirations of uh um U being part of the the global uh entertainment industry etc etc but then there's something very interesting yudi that came uh and I know we don't have time to explore but I thought it was super cool and it's about the shadow right it is a comment U on jealousy right with the celebration of one in this case I think there was five actresses and one one one and so there's a lot of pinpointing at the moment that fanda uh you know was the one who received and how each one of the other actresses reacted and the cameras are trained to look at their faces so I I can imagine if you're if you're spying

moment that fanda uh you know was the one who received and how each one of the other actresses reacted and the cameras are trained to look at their faces so I I can imagine if you're if you're spying to do this it may be actually a moment of disappointment oh I didn't win right but so there's a whole discussion on how each one of them um talked about in the one that is absolutely fanda Idol forever till Winson she she got up and hugged her so there was this whole play about uh what does jealousy mean to you when we see somebody else winning being celebrated not you and I thought it was lovely because it does not look at jealousy as bad but looking at jealousy AKA a shadow aspect of ourselves as something that maybe is knowing at you one why was this important why does it touching you right that moment of somebody else and not you been celebrated does it mean that you're ready but you haven't taken the step right so it's a positive Shadow or what is it so I thought it was lovely lovely discussion thank you whoever posted that and and the moment that I I was lucky enough to read it and how maybe it's another layer for us to think about it the moments when we feel like oh I don't like that so and so is doing this and I'm not well why yeah that that that that's terrible but at the same time delicious if you if I may say so sting that will Propel you to try next time but if this is the first time you you listen to our program please please note that the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are as we mentioned we are both fans of Joanna d'angels right based on the works by her and uh I hope you're able to perhaps expand your own spirituality Concepts I know yud does not like me when I go to academic right with too many definitions but we talked about the shadow we talked about the unconscious personal and Collective we talked about self-love integration of the Shadow narcissism we we we mentioned we peppered a lot in our conversation today but I hope we're able to to learn a little bit more think a

and Collective we talked about self-love integration of the Shadow narcissism we we we mentioned we peppered a lot in our conversation today but I hope we're able to to learn a little bit more think a little bit more and uh uh if you have we've been successful today we need celebrations but I want to thank our sponsors um are here today because we're sponsor this program is sponsored by man Cino the United States spirs Federation the international spirs Council and army Brazil which is the Brazilian arm of the medical spiritist ass Association I hope to see you back next time and thank you so very much Yi always a pleasure to have you with me thank you thank you everyone bye bye-bye