Ep 77 - Jung's Apocalypse Archetype

hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to Better Life discussion I'm Mercia your host today and with me is Dr Ana fona hi Ana so good to have you here and as you know we're trying to have a conversation about yung's archetype of the Apocalypse so you may Wonder right why why are you talking about apocalypse archetype well let's think about some related questions that is brought up with this topic why are visions of the in of the world so prevalent in pop culture today why have apocalyptic themes being replicated you find them in so many different forms and this is not just now right across Millennia spending art religion science philosophy and uh very very much present in our media right the media the streaming media TV movies and uh books Etc finally if we think about it do we ever have dreams with apocalyptic themes what what am I talking about well dreams with hurricanes tornadoes tidal waves earthquakes floods bombs planets crashing toward Earth Etc such dreams or I may call it inner dramas call out for our conscious attention by providing this window deeper into our soul and really forcing bringing to our attention an awareness of this archetype so in fact an you as a a young analyst I would love to hear from you um anything about those apocalyptic dreams what they represent and uh how they may signify actually healing efforts going on for me the apocalyptic material from the unconscious is so scary it is quite interesting to know when we start to read about it when we start to be educated about it that the message contains actually a very positive e uh message which is the potential for transformation right an so this is quite a different perspective from the pessimistic catastrophic end of the world doomsday Outlook that you see in movies today but but before we start a conversation in jist i' would like to thank all of you who are listening who are in this uh podcast today with us and if this is your first time that you're joining us in this program please note

rt a conversation in jist i' would like to thank all of you who are listening who are in this uh podcast today with us and if this is your first time that you're joining us in this program please note that the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Jonah d'angeles and uh it is a great um opportunity for us to to actually confront compare corate and expand our own spirituality Concepts from this psychological landens so we're here to listen an and how she brings lights insights about this idea of is it doomsday is it the end of the world or is it the beginning of a new world before we start please let me thank our sponsoring bodies uh for this program and they are the United States Spirits Federation the international spiritual Council and Amy Brazil please if you haven't done so subscribe and if You' like to check out other information you can do so by the link um scst that us thank you thank you for being here uh we welcome your questions your feedback your ideas would love to to have an additional time to talk talk about them if we don't have time today but right back to our beginning I am just quite fascinated with this number of those so-called doomsday movies out there and I watched a couple of them I must confess every time I watch them I am just anxiety ridden I walk out really like oh my gosh the latest one was that one with um Julia Roberts I think was last year that she Leave the World Behind that they're just you know luxury home for vacation and there's the the the plot calls for cyber attex and slowly you start to see them the from the plot right going facing with uh what is going on what is going to to happen next etc etc we're not going to talk about this movie today but I just wanted to say that uh as curious about this fascination with apocalypse I really want us to to talk about it from a psychological and spiritual lens and with that I would just have a couple of questions maybe we can talk later um an if you want to talk

ion with apocalypse I really want us to to talk about it from a psychological and spiritual lens and with that I would just have a couple of questions maybe we can talk later um an if you want to talk and then maybe have time to to answer those questions can you describe because this is about the archetype right can you remember to define or describe the meaning of archetype so all of us understand and can we talk about what we mean by this transformation we're going through as a response to the unconscious changing Mike is yours and I okay hello everyone so it's a very interesting theme right and something very uh up to date let's say um but I would like so let's answer this questions but I would like first of all to make um you know to provoke a little bit and and talk about um one of yung's interview I think people can find it in the internet in YouTube and whatever um where you you people can put um K Yung and the title the world hangs on a thin thread and I think this is so so important because Yung was uh quite old uh that interview was some years a couple of years before uh he died he died in um in June 1961 and um he was kind of upset in that interview you know he was not very happy um people have to remember that he had gone through two world wars he was in the first world war he was a young doctor actually uh he went to the war as a doctor medical doctor and we are going to talk a little bit about some of his prophetic Visions okay but in yung's words and I think this is very important for us to start our conversation he says um and quote uh the world hangs on a thin thread and that is the psych of man nowadays we are not threatened by Elementary catastrophes there is no such thing as an age bomb he means in nature right yeah that is all man's doing we are the great danger Psych is the great danger what if something goes wrong with the psych it is demonstrated to us in our days that the power of the psych is uh what the power of the psych is how important it is to know something about

eat danger what if something goes wrong with the psych it is demonstrated to us in our days that the power of the psych is uh what the power of the psych is how important it is to know something about it but we know nothing about it no I was interrupt you to say we know if we know we know very little right an yeah but this is Jung talking so he was you know he was and we're talking also based on the the spiritual writings of janelis correct so I think this is very important why Jonah jeles started giving all this spiritual and psychological information in her wonderful books to Deva to psychograph because this is Yung um saying in the end of his life yeah okay in the late 50s and we can see by johanna's writings in the last um I think 30 years right so um people have to pay attention because here we are in the ego the ego is talking but we have the higher self and we have the spirit's guides to help us yeah and we need we need so much that's what Janna is warning us and of course she we know we have this information that she has been working with youung in spirit in spiritual realms for a a long time even previously to Young's coming right so there's always a purpose in the spiritual rounds to give us advice information so it's not something that we can read and say oh how cool you know because this would be the ego and okay we need the ego to do the homework to read to reflect to do what we are doing today but the calling is to go deeper Joan Yung and the spirits uh spiritual guides are uh warning and helping us to go deeper we are talking about an expansion of consciousness in this time of transition that youung knew that we coming and that we have a lot of mediums all around the world uh telling us that this times would come right so it's not something to be afraid but uh because fear is from the ego right it is something for us to to be calm Focus to have Focus yeah and to study to discuss and debate as we are doing today with everybody that is listening and maybe have questions are

from the ego right it is something for us to to be calm Focus to have Focus yeah and to study to discuss and debate as we are doing today with everybody that is listening and maybe have questions are going to send to Mar and everybody else and here and and all the friends that are um teaching joanel all around the world and studying her writings and studying you also from this uh spiritual perspective so we can go deeper and why because see people you say is saying the world hangs on a thin thread and the danger is the pych is when are we are ignorant about the power of the pitech okay and we all have pches so yeah we all have a lot of we we say um all Empower people for this and that but the real empowerment is the knowledge of the psych with humility not with ego inflation right uh and the the knowledge and the understanding of the interconnectedness uh among everything and our divine um um Essence origin right so we are not Gods as in the grand how day that we talked some some wonderful Bill Ming oh I'm not the God I'm a God I think he say okay just to you know to make a little light conversation but of course we are not the god this would be ego inflation and then we would be you know sick or whatever mentally Disturbed but uh to know that we come from a Divine you know origin that we are brothers and sisters really and deep in the psych is the the knowledge the wisdom that our higher self uh has about our origin okay so that's the connection that Joanna Yung and everybody else uh that study this the psych spiritually psychologically speaking uh asks us you know to to pay attention to so Yun says that Psych is the great danger what if something goes wrong with the psych and he saying that this just remember okay the psych is out of space and time that's why Yung himself had prophetic visions and we are going to talk a little about that uh but and we know people are talk talking a lot about timelines okay because we are captains of our own ships right so we can choose uh where we are going

and we are going to talk a little about that uh but and we know people are talk talking a lot about timelines okay because we are captains of our own ships right so we can choose uh where we are going individually and collectively right so he was he died uh in June and uh we know what happened in 1961 maram that almost almost uh it started the third world war and it was in April it was in the the pigs Bay right the Bay of Pigs in CU so uh you know he was uh much connected with the collective of the 20th century so he says it is a demonstr uh it is demonstrated to us in our days uh what the power of the psych is how important it is to know something about it but we know nothing about it no one would give credit to the idea that the psychic processes of the ordinary man have any importance whatever he has no ideas at all and that is the great mistake okay so he Yung is talking about the ordinary man he's not talking about great uh world leaders you know and why is Yun talking about that because the US the ordinary men are very very powerful in our site each one of us is a drop in the ocean as some people um as the mother thees of Catan right why do you do what what you do um it's a drop in the ocean and then she says yes but what would happen to the ocean without this drop yes or it's so beautiful yeah it's such a beautiful saying by the way it it is such a beautiful so I think it's very very important for us to understand that when each of us um don't know anything about our shadow aspects right uh our egotistic our our Envy our aggressiveness and all those emotions that we know disturb ourselves right but we are vibrating when we have these kind of emotions and there are uh for instance if I have been um I have been something that or some somebody that I love have uh has betrayed me for instance in a business or in friendship in love right and I can't find find Within Myself the power or the will even uh I'm not willing to forgive give MH so I will vibrate very low and I will send to the universe

business or in friendship in love right and I can't find find Within Myself the power or the will even uh I'm not willing to forgive give MH so I will vibrate very low and I will send to the universe we're going to see what Joanna talks about this in the end of our talk I will send this message to the universe okay so okay I'm a a tiny piece of the universe you know but I'm a piece I'm going Dro in this ocean that we are all part of so the unbalance that I create is reflecting on the whole okay so it's me creating this lack of balance if you will because of emotions but I put it out right this energy goes into the world yeah goes into the world so we need so much so we have the individual apocalyps let's say and the collective one okay but when the self gives Vision sense from Deep you know the the transpersonal dimension of the psych yeah the archetypes are old forms let's say patterns that are have the potential to emerge in Consciousness right yeah and to manifest in our lives uh both of course individually and collectively because we are all connected people have a hard time believing that that because in this day in these days that we are living we are so kind of we are so connected connect well yeah we're I think we're disconnected when we're really connected even when you think we're closer we are not right yes we are here in a paradox just in this moment you are in the USA I'm in Brazil we are so close uh in a in a sense and so close to everyone that is listening to us right yeah yeah uh because we people can feel the energy in our voices the way we talk to each other yeah uh but um of course uh you and other guests and J and everybody who is wow I have to learn more about that because it's myself because it's all about my brothers and sisters and how we influence each other for good and for Worse um and how we can change what people in the USA say the timelines okay we don't have to go towards a collective Apocalypse in a sense of Destruction that as you said in

ch other for good and for Worse um and how we can change what people in the USA say the timelines okay we don't have to go towards a collective Apocalypse in a sense of Destruction that as you said in the beginning oh it gives fears fear to everyone and of of course a lot of movies for instance they are supposed to give kind of fear but always in a good message when ends well but usually ends well because the good guy and the good girl whatever they fight and they get it right they fight yes but okay the whole world goes to an end so who cares it's more or less it's s like some s in a sense but but do you remember just real quick sorry to dropped you but do you remember that's what comes to our mind when we talk about apocalypse either 1999 to 2000 the the Y2K craze right it was a craze to the point at uh I remember quite well in the US we're looking for those that went to 2,000 before us right because it's not the same time it's a relative time so they showed Australia they showed China they showed and nobody was destroyed and I remember that the that was televised progressively but the intent was not to to cheer to kiss to hug and and happy say happy New Year it was like is this the the end of society as we know it I remember so well later and I'm thinking about 12 years later in the 2012 Mark right how everybody was afraid and I happen to meet dealdo in Atlanta not here Nashville but when I lived in Atlanta and he specifically breaks down the the year 2012 why everybody thought it was the end of the world and was uh all about the Mayan calendar yes that ended in the cycle of 2012 so he just explains there's no need just those are cyclical endings but the fear the fear that we face with the idea that we don't know we don't control but it's all Doom right it's all this Darkness this destruction materially speaking when we when we start to at least for me when you start to read this this psychological view of Apocalypse it's completely different it is quite optimistic right I don't know

ction materially speaking when we when we start to at least for me when you start to read this this psychological view of Apocalypse it's completely different it is quite optimistic right I don't know yes there yes great yes because we are talking here from as did from a psychological and spiritual cannot be only psychological correct psychological and spiritual point of view because when we talk about psychology for instance we can be talking about um only psychological um without the spiritual as incredible as it as it sounds right um without the the psych actually just remember that you is the um the psychology and psychiatrist that brought back to psychology the word psych that is so right yeah so that's why Yung psycholog is called death psychology because it goes further than Freud Freud and deeper actually um than Freud did because he he gets to the point of understanding the collective unconscious what we call the transpersonal uh dimension of the psych and the self yes so this um this other Consciousness the higher Consciousness deep within our sitech that is a ordering principle of the site so it's very important what you said because the archetypes they reveal themselves through experience and they are expressed through images right so they are spontaneous phenomena we cannot control them yeah when the self sends imag you know and dreams you cannot control right uh the your own dreams of course we are talking and the images of the C and they are Universal images and also there something very important that people to understand that they possess a purposefulness okay there's a purpose in the dreams of the visions of the information that come from the collective unconscious you know from this Dimension and what happens um is that we feel like something really bad is going to happen yeah only so it signifies disaster only if the ego that's very important is alienated let's say from this um or is antagonistic towards the what the image to is the information like is is struggling not to

only so it signifies disaster only if the ego that's very important is alienated let's say from this um or is antagonistic towards the what the image to is the information like is is struggling not to pay attention or is feeling threatened in a in a sense so because this material if the self is doing uh through all the work all the work to create images and themes of apocal apocalyptic nature it's to call the attention of the ego so that we can uh really do something about um what's going on first in our inner world because let's remember what Yung said that the great danger is the psych and that we know far too little about the psych right we have to know more about ourselves and also because things like our shadows that we were talking about our you know the emotions that are hard to control and the spiritual values that we are struggling in this life to learn better and more right as forgiveness compassion uh fraternity uh so this all this learning that we need to do um they are very important because we have the the the the power we have the tools to learn okay so we have to be to have faith on ourselves in the first place and if the self is calling our attention is because uh the self believes and okay we know as jna says that the self capital S you is our spirit so of course together with the spiritist knowledge we know that we have PL dis Incarnation and the the major things U that we would go through right because there's a purpose and the purpose is learning and evolution so what I think at this point is very important for people to know if someone doesn't know yet as because Deval has been in the US and talked to a lot of people but for people that are listening maybe for the first time that apocalypse means Revelation isn't that wonderful it doesn't mean destruction or whatever end of the world this is is silly because apocalypsis uh is a Greek um in Greek okay the wot calypto uh it means to cover or to hide and the prefix uh is the preposition Apple yeah which means away from isn't

he world this is is silly because apocalypsis uh is a Greek um in Greek okay the wot calypto uh it means to cover or to hide and the prefix uh is the preposition Apple yeah which means away from isn't that beautiful so apocalypsis means to take the covering away from so perhaps from what has been secret right for ourselves for the ego revealing what has been invisible what we cannot for some reason maybe our immaturity our lack of trying maybe right our sorry is it also our unconscious our shadow from a very personal Vision that we are now starting to access more yes I think uh I think individually we could say we we need to be brave to face ourselves yes to uh to face our own apocalypse let's say our own Revelation right I I I like that uh yeah yeah so if we do that individually and a lot of people uh here in Brazil I think United States and Europe are talking about people it's are in a um wake waking up in a spiritual sense right yeah um talking about people being awakened spiritually awakened so I think as when we achieve a point in a I don't know the statistics but when enough people are awakened um for this reality of uh that we are spirits that we don't die only in the material sense but the Consciousness goes on and we are always evolving and learning then of course um the that's that's the major Revelation but it's not only intellectual you know we need to really face our own fears as you said okay maybe if you want if people want to see an apocalyptic movie I grew up with a tower Inferno then you can know my age an earthquake yes and they were so popular right in the the 70s which is they're coming week after week uh this type of Destruction mass destruction in when we were when I was teenager yeah and of course um earlier or later with Titanic and things like that yeah yeah and there was the that beautiful song um how was that in TI in Titan the first Titanic I think yeah that it's um there's got to be a morning after the morning after it's beautiful this song if you

eah and there was the that beautiful song um how was that in TI in Titan the first Titanic I think yeah that it's um there's got to be a morning after the morning after it's beautiful this song if you can find uh the morning after it's beautiful because it's all about waking up yes and leing this Darkness so Apocalypse in our days and of course uh it was not about the end of the world yeah um men could have done that okay uh if uh we couldn't realize the danger in our darkness in Dark Side let's say the the shadow but the shadow side but we have been learning I think I'm I'm always Optimist you know and especially after studying Joanna as D told you guys in Atlanta because uh we we have some Shadows but we are learning about ourselves and the light that we have is getting stronger and stronger and when enough people have all the you know join lights together then of course we have trans transition and we we we are in another uh as we are doing now and then we are in another what we call uh in um spiritist knowledge regenerate world where we are more spiritual more affectionate more compassionate to each other and then of course silly things like Wars because they are silly they are yeah immature people that I'm sorry about the great leaders they are all immature spiritually speaking because we from the transpersonal point of view in this deep dimension of the psych that is deep but it's here with us now it's not in a oh in a very strange land Within Myself it's what I we are all right so in in this Dimension that it's getting each time more uh each time stronger let's say because we are all waking up from this illusion of uh separateness so in this point from this point of view um we are really one so Wars and doing bad things to each other there's no point no sense this is senseless right yeah because it's very right yeah it's a Wars is a good example especially world wars first and second last century but if you think about it those are uh this egoic driver to control go and to

right yeah because it's very right yeah it's a Wars is a good example especially world wars first and second last century but if you think about it those are uh this egoic driver to control go and to possess and to own Etc and when we look at the world as a collective world as as you mentioned before brothers and sisters that we are then it changes everything it changes um the Paradigm and and I and I keep thinking the word that comes to my mind is meaning right there's a resignification if you will we're able to re ify everything that happens to us in in this new sense this new light of let us all be awakened to what we are now able to do yes yes that's beautiful is exactly and you know Mara from from this perspective that we are talking about uh the apocalyptic events or psychic material that we are you are Tau we are talking about may be revealing some new piece of our Humanity actually and I would say our Divinity in a sense our origin right yeah from where we we all uh come and uh okay even in person uh personally and collectively also something new yeah quite quite beautiful everyone please pay attention I'm thinking of myself as a as a teacher of young ones because it's quite quite beautiful this idea of um embracing our humanity and as we do that embrace our own Divinity personally and collectively wow thank you for that yeah yeah I think so and now in a sense I I think people would want to know and I think Yung uh you know whenever he is yeah yeah um and um we don't know of course uh spiritually speaking where is his Consciousness and Consciousness is so big he could be listening to us here right and hi you hi so I think he would be very glad to know our efforts to you know to do what he said um maybe the world is not so much hanging on a theme thread anymore right yeah yeah and and um and also uh what um I wanted to tell people about yung's prophetic Visions yes yes if people uh don't know yet in 1958 so he died in 61 he warned people that an archetype and I quote an archetype was

and also uh what um I wanted to tell people about yung's prophetic Visions yes yes if people uh don't know yet in 1958 so he died in 61 he warned people that an archetype and I quote an archetype was stirring in a way that was characteristic for the end of an era he didn't say the end of the world okay yeah and of course we know that Yun studied astrology so the end of um the era was a pieces but from the shift right for p to the aquarium age okay and Yung spoke of the upheaval and great changes that we can expect during such a major transition and we know that in spirit spiritist knowledge we have lots of writings from shiku Shier and dealo about this right but Mara and everybody few people have listened to you unfortunately because we know he had a vision it's all written in the red book and the Black Books we know about in biographies and of yung's and I think in memories dreams Reflections in AO Auto biography also he talks about that he had Visions previously to the first world war and he saw like a wave of blood um covering ear Europe and stopping in the on the Alps that we know that switzland right the alss had always been neutral there is a before we go further um so but nobody would listen i' would love to because you went out for just a little bit I was just uh uh telling everybody here that uh if you haven't if you're not old enough right if you're young if Beyond young being being young at heart but uh that idea from the 60s that you Yung was mentioning and moving from to an age of Aquarius so there was a movie right in in the 60s that uh really talked about the concept of this new dawn New Age of Aquarius and of course portray against those protesting or not the the Vietnam war in the US so the lyrics just one one uh refrain talks about Harmony and understanding sympathy and trust abounding no more falsehoods or derisions Golden Living dreams of Visions Mystic Crystal Revelation in the minds to through Liberation so I think it's it's good that you brought that because uh uh not

abounding no more falsehoods or derisions Golden Living dreams of Visions Mystic Crystal Revelation in the minds to through Liberation so I think it's it's good that you brought that because uh uh not only it's a great song a great movie but it's brings us today the idea that uh uh as we shift as the world shift and maybe we missed the calling in the 60s right maybe all of that Harmony right I don't know you you're smiling all of all of those shifts and the calling that was perhaps externalized with u with the hippie movement Etc uh but we missed it so and it's okay to miss it right collectively and personally we will get there Mara do you know why I'm smiling and everybody who's listening it's a huge synchronicity has just happen in the air right now yeah because um this this lyrics that you said yeah I sung um I studied in um Western High School in Massachusetts and I graduated from high school there it was a senior variety show oh wow we all my class all sang exactly this song oh wow I have a recording yeah of 17 years old I was singing it exactly this uh lyric that you have said so this is a powerful synchronicity here now just now in the air for you to remember that yeah and uh talk about this and I we I especially lived this transition when in the movies they were the age of Aquarius and we were leaving this with the end of the Vietnam War and trying to and the Hipp movement of Peace and Love Yes um and all this the message of course got little bit out of the out of the road with other stuff that happened but the message was peace and love to all right yes yes so that that's the transition that we have to understand and this is U this is great because that was I was laughing because of that because that's that synchronicity that here now just now is the self manifesting each other this transpersonal Dimension that I was talking about so it doesn't matter uh um the the many decades between um when we are when we are young and you know have ideas and all the energy of Youth that

this transpersonal Dimension that I was talking about so it doesn't matter uh um the the many decades between um when we are when we are young and you know have ideas and all the energy of Youth that we need so much yes but we also need the wisdom when we are much older and we have lived H long enough yeah and the ego has matured so we have to join join together the experiences of and the energy psychic energy of our younger selves and our older selves so that we can be like process of individuation we can be whole because there is um energy wisdom uh in uh inspiration let's say and information that comes and the self doesn't have any age let's say Well it has some age that we know about we don't know when we were born spiritually speaking but what's wonderful and it's a wonderful example what has just happened we haven't this is unscripted so I didn't know you were going to remember this song specifically this sentences in the lyrics that I I can remember myself singing really loud and very energetic that's awesome and we would change the world and actually that's what I was saying to Yun here when I don't we don't know where he is but let's connect to his Consciousness that yes we believe and I think we have changed the timeline already because even if there are some people around the world trying to make war ugly stuff happening but a lot of people are Awakening yes spiritually speaking so we are are I think enough people Awakening with this loving energy and wisdom that we are uh beyond anything else beyond the material body you know we are spirits and we have a Divine Sparkle that is shining each time stronger within ourselves so if we just be are brave enough to work with our own Shadows first of all and help each other you know without fear without judgment you know to do this work I'm quite sure that we are you know heading really uh quickly to this uh other world that actually I think it's already here today and every time that we talk about these issues in podcasts like this you know

e sure that we are you know heading really uh quickly to this uh other world that actually I think it's already here today and every time that we talk about these issues in podcasts like this you know every every time we read books but not only with our heads but with our hearts that are that talk about this kind of material we are Awakening and Shining a little bit more so Beau revealing in apocalyptic sense the archetype and we are connect each time more our humanity and connecting to the self so I wanted to tell youung I'm being bold so I wanted to tell you that uh the the work of his life was not a waste that we are listening to everything that he tried to warn us and um I I saw in um recently in an interview with Yung and Mah Bon France that was like his right uh very close to him right arm and things like that that uh in the end of his life Yung had a vision of catastrophic events okay happening but let's remember it was 1961 and he had gone through all that we are talking the Bay of Pigs invasion two World Wars the Cold War all that stuff and and yung's daughter took notes okay uh but from what I understand and everything that I've read Yung had had a near death experience some years previously he had been out of his body it's all written in memers dreams Reflections his autobiography and he had um like had I don't want to give spoilers to people that are going to read but he had um seen what's really important you know and that peace that comes to us when we are in the spiritual Realms if we have done the homework here yeah yeah yeah so um he had a kind of prophetic Visions but um we know uh that he said um well uh he asked his daughter to take notes but from what I understood he he was warning so deep within himself he knew as we had this warning from Shier that's also in the YouTube all the wonderful 1970 something interview with chuku shave for instance um and I think as has English subtitles if people want yeah right and he said if we at least can uh uh be peaceful to each other and

he wonderful 1970 something interview with chuku shave for instance um and I think as has English subtitles if people want yeah right and he said if we at least can uh uh be peaceful to each other and especially the the great nations of the world can at least um you know try not to do harm to each other something like that then um we are going to develop so much some so many things are going to be revealed to us and science is going to develop a lot so I think we are getting in this point and I think that that's the Revelation yeah that it's actually coming and I think Yun helped a lot because maybe many people didn't listen to him but um he talked to the collective unconscious because he created that psychology right correct and we studying and Joanna is working with him and using a lot of his Concepts right to go further than he did so we it's all a construction so it's not it's not competition as we all do is helping each other to go further yeah that's that's awesome yeah no no you didn't but we are at time and I was hoping perhaps I that you could uh uh close with any words perhaps anything that Joanna may have told us about this subject yes thank you Mara because um she said she talks about such beautiful uh sentence in her books um and I wrote here for you um some of them and I think it closed very well what we have been talking about Jon says human existence is a constant challenge every challenge requires effort for the struggle when individuals recoil from a trying experience they lose the chance to affirm their values at the expense of their personal growth aren't we talking about that so she says since individuals are a miniature Cosmos they are governed by the same loss as the great Universe isn't that beautiful yes from this perfect interplay between the small focal Points each one of us and the great focal point capital F capital P how Harmony emerges which is the noblest manifestation I think it's so beautiful I was gonna say Well done well done Joanna

ll focal Points each one of us and the great focal point capital F capital P how Harmony emerges which is the noblest manifestation I think it's so beautiful I was gonna say Well done well done Joanna and I just wanna want to say thank you thank you thank you uh fascinating I welcome and invite all of you and welcome to this discovery of what is the a alytic view of uh this archetype that Yung brings to us and how comforting it actually is right to be able to as you say to reveal what's not uh out in the open so let us all be very very open courageous and pursue this awareness through self-discovery but also the sense of Awakening to what we all can do our expanded Consciousness in and uh embracing this Brotherhood that we all are part of with that we'll see you again soon I hope and everyone I'll talk to you next week bye everyone byebye