Ep 83 - Inside Out - Getting to Know our Emotions (Anxiety)

hi everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia Tran and with me is our program leader in fer Jada corn go hi Jada so good to have you with us hello hello hello and uh if you are with us here today and perhaps this is the first time you are with us in this uh program this podcast please note that our program the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works by Joanna deangeles and it is a program to offer all of us you Jada myself a space to perhaps discuss expand right confront compare Cor relate especially spirituality Concepts now with this psychological lens so that this discussion this conversation can bring you insights and tips for all of us to lead a better life J quod and I will spend our time together today talking about how pervasive anxiety is and how introspection how spiritual growth are key they're essential steps toward mitigating the state of uh anxiety which simply means a state of apprehension a state of tension a state of oh a sense of uneasiness and they all correlate with our Instinct of survival right and uh we as uh uh animal know human beings that have that animal trajectory it stems from our anticipation of something is not quite right and uh we may may sense danger therefore there's all those symtoms that correlate to anxiety jnah the Angels Insight provide a road map right J for anyone seeking to overcome anxiety and uh she and emphasizes that healing is possible and she says this in a beautiful way that whenever we we work toward integrating those spiritual as well as psychological aspects of the self it will Empower us and will encourage us to take a different and more active role in our own healing journey and she says that because she understands that anxiety actually can be the Catalyst for profound personal and Spiritual Development I love it but before we start a conversation just I just wanted to take a moment to uh thank and recognize the organizations that are

an be the Catalyst for profound personal and Spiritual Development I love it but before we start a conversation just I just wanted to take a moment to uh thank and recognize the organizations that are sponsored this program TV manand the United States spiritual Federation and the international spiritual Council as well as Amy Brazil and for you who is here with us today please hit subscribe if you haven't already done so and if you want to know more about psychology about spiritism and many other aspects in the same vein right check us out you can find more information at www.sp spiritist do us I love to hear from you please use the chat window give us your questions your remarks your feedback we love to incorporate those into today or future episodes but just I was thinking right um athletes right as as a a a subgroup of of people they in order to perform under not perform but perform under EXT extreme pressures they must have a a strong mental health right and let's think about it a scenario here in my mind um game time or two minutes before game time and just you're the trainer and you start to notice that a certain athlete is a little off right and you start to to really pay attention and uh in turn the the person the the the athlete I don't know who they are a soccer player a basketball player whatever right in in this soccer player is like oh ah my scholarship depends on this or my contract depends on that there's a lot of pressure in addition to the pressure of just playing well and uh you as a I'm I'm fiction here just s but you as a trainer you start to look and you perceive see perhaps that this person uh may be going through some increased heart rate they're breathing faster oh yeah you can see their their shirt and it's sweaty right they're even trembling well Jada fictional trainer Jada is not alone if we quote the national colate Athletic Association in NCAA found that in fact 85% of athletic trainers do believe anxiety disorders are an issue that is

well Jada fictional trainer Jada is not alone if we quote the national colate Athletic Association in NCAA found that in fact 85% of athletic trainers do believe anxiety disorders are an issue that is very common between athletes and if I pause to think about it I say this is actually perhaps a normal expected Behavior right it is a response mechanism common to any competitive environment work home between you know siblings between um Executives between athletes and uh in fact Joanna discusses how anxiety and fear are often intertwined and they create this cycle of emotional and mental distress let's shift a little bit J give me just another moment because I'm on a row here if we shift right uh our thoughts uh towards statistics we we say that anxiety disorders actually affect onethird of adolescents today according to the Center for Disease Control right in prevention so the CDC so wow athletes the CDC calls to us as parents to to this problem but the good thing is the NCAA they have a twool box right and the tool box is quite simple they say for athletes they recommend the practice of relaxation self-control mindfulness we're not going to go into that because I want to ask you J are the spiritual to box any different well can we even talk about anxiety and what Joanna d'angeles tell us about it can you can you explore all there is because there's so much that is available to us right you you brought us so many important information Marcia and that I think that when we are talking about anxiety we we have to have a broader view because uh like you said it may be more present or noticed uh you know in certain events uh in certain category of people like you you were mentioning you know athletes and everyone that is going to be confronting any kind of um um uh you know situation where they even can deal with the public competition uh and so I mean it it is not different from a child that has to present uh you know um something before the class you know when he say and he

tion where they even can deal with the public competition uh and so I mean it it is not different from a child that has to present uh you know um something before the class you know when he say and he say before the class or or a pastor like you said or a speaker or someone um that is going to go through you know for a job interview but as Joanna deangel is classifies and make it sure for us to understand is that that what is called natural anxiety and natural anxiet I would say that everyone not just uh the percentage that you showed but I would dare say that at a certain point in our lives 100% of the the people are going to go through anxiety even if you live uh in isolation but you have to go and fend for your water you don't know what you're going to find in the way before you reach the fountain or or whatever so she says that it it's uh this natural anxiety that comes from you know normal expectations around the existential phenomena it represents a health picture in a way she says that uh it is key to survival because this is what makes us uh more careful about things and uh especially you know she mentions in in her writings that from the beginning of the civilization that was key you know not knowing what am I going to find when I will go you know hunt for for food I I had to be in a state of complete alert that is you know uh the same thing as we in natural anxiety so to to have the idea that we should freed ourselves completely from anxiety would be almost you know be being a a psychopath you know because you have to be completely oblivious or of the situation but I have to tell you this can I can I give you an example it's a personal example you I'm laughing because Jada you are uh describing me right so for those of you who do not know me personally I've been born in Brazil right Jer but I've been in the United States for many decades in fact but uh it took me almost 10 years before I went back to Brazil to visit my family for different reasons um and I remember Jada I went from a

but I've been in the United States for many decades in fact but uh it took me almost 10 years before I went back to Brazil to visit my family for different reasons um and I remember Jada I went from a very uh a very uh safe environment where I was living right here in the US and I went straight to Rio to the subway and somebody was supposed to meet me there uh somebody I did not know who was the mother of somebody knew knew and she was meeting me there in the subway to go on to do whatever I needed to do and it's so funny never skap that a moment uh so long ago I am there and I don't remember I went to Rio as a visitor right and I'm in the subway and you can picture me just looking at this map completely like you said oblivious to any danger that may be there why because I was in a different cultural environment right and I look and I look and time passes by and this woman comes to me and she says you are Marcia right like yes I am how did you know she said well no one stands so peacefully so oblivious to anything in a Subway in Rio most people and just look they're always looking around they are paying attention to the surroundings because anybody can come and snatch your purse and you say goodbye so I just thought it was funny what you said it it triggered this memory of uh how important it is to be alert right and yes it's fear-based right but it's something that we can manage but God I'm I'm sorry to this case in your case ignorance was Bliss right yes yes that was good I I was laughing inside as well because I I I feel so anxious when I have to to take the Subways you know because yes not because of what I was thinking other people could do to me but really because of the noise so many people and and not understanding the map sometimes and um you know if I'm I'm going to go into the right direction whatever but yeah uh you see this um natural anxiety that she says that it's even what triggers the mold fight or flight right uh it's very important so let's not think that

o into the right direction whatever but yeah uh you see this um natural anxiety that she says that it's even what triggers the mold fight or flight right uh it's very important so let's not think that anxiety cannot play a good role in our lives but now we have the other side as she presents which is the pathological state of anxiety the one that is going to be really affecting us um in in in our um organism directly in our physical body is like sweating I may have uh cardiac aritmia I can have restlessness fear um and the you know not Brea breathing well and the thing is what is the difference between the N natural anxiety and the pathological anxiety is the the one like we say it comes related to certain circumstances and the other one it's it can happen for nothing you know all of a sudden you start thinking about something and and already triggers you a response a physiological emotional response that is going to be damaging to you and of course is going to occur with a certain frequency so this is how you know what is the toolbx the tool box of course before anything else is the recommendation to look for professional assistance you know so we will find that in spiritism we will find that very clear in Joanna the angelist emphasizing the need for you know having a clear picture of what is going on with you if this is related to a certain circumstances like you know a death in a family the loss of job or things that can you know temporarily affect us so much or if it is really becoming something that is going to be ingrained in us so in this sense first and foremost go to the doctor uh and um the psychiatrist in the in the sense of perhaps first we are going to look for our general Pat practitioner our GP because uh we U may have this physical response and we will be curious to know if there is a a physical correlation but then we will be for sure be referred to go to a psychiatrist and to therapy and sometimes we will will need medication because there will be an imbalance in

ow if there is a a physical correlation but then we will be for sure be referred to go to a psychiatrist and to therapy and sometimes we will will need medication because there will be an imbalance in our neurochem chemicals and um but from this spiritual perspec if I could actually resume and make it really short yeah everything that represent this two box is Faith it's the word faith it's faith in yourself and faith in life faith in God faith in the spirit so it's Faith because uh you know she recommends meditation she recommends um prayer she recommends you know looking for L literature and music that can calm you down for you know good works engageing some Co you know Community work for to help people but at the uh at the end of of of all of those things we will find that faith is what is needed and in the example that you said about the athlete okay this uh anxious moment before a performance yeah to have faith in yourself you know I trained I did everything that I could so now I have to be able to be in me can I yeah can I give another examp of that just to to further enhance that idea of yes we're talking about faith in that incredible uninterrupted Divine Mercy in us as the creature right and our father is with us we're never abandoned but the other type of Faith like you said from the athlete I I just recall uh Michael Phelps in his biography this is oh my goodness two Olympics ago three Olympics when he was uh going for the those maximum number of medals in swimming right and I don't remember the year anymore quite frankly but uh he he in that biography talks about the fact that uh in one of the races right the the the swimming um uh trial he goes and as he Dives in his super spiffy everything is ultra technology right to to to help with the the the the speed he's and Michael F I don't know if you know him but he's an amazing swimmer American swimmer but when he does that his goggles flips and he gets water in his eyes and uh right and uh he was actually

d he's and Michael F I don't know if you know him but he's an amazing swimmer American swimmer but when he does that his goggles flips and he gets water in his eyes and uh right and uh he was actually doing the butterfly which is that uh right that uh that type of H swimming that you have to throw your arms around and he cannot see two choices one stop with the the the the right the actually the three F the third F fight flight or freeze right he could freeze and do nothing he could be angry and and just be ah take away the the goggle or he could just keep going which is oh my goodness a fourth F right have faith he had faith in all the aspects of his ability to swim in his practice and he did that because he used to count so he got the water and he started to just keep going as if nothing changed and he counted how many times he would get get would get up and go to the next stroke and he won but I found it so amazing uh Jada that idea of faith in its multiple Expressions right faith in the Divine but Faith In Yourself faith that you're here as your best the best of who you are you cannot be better than what you are today you are it but go ahead Jada we're talking about some uh tools in the in the spiritual to box so one is Faith and uh I think you you had other aspects of the idea of faith I'm not sure yeah and uh when she also uh recommends uh something that can can kind of Li at us from from the moment to bring us peace so of course uh uh meditation yoga like we said and um and um prayer a sing music or a music that relaxes you that not necessarily it's a classical music it can be rock and roll who knows whatever what whatever yeah whatever works for you yeah if you're in a mood where you are going to be singing and dancing or you know relaxing venting you know putting all of this is that it inside of you out and um and I mean it's so important for us to learn those twos uh sometimes it's just the breathing you can start like you know in breathing in and out in a

ng all of this is that it inside of you out and um and I mean it's so important for us to learn those twos uh sometimes it's just the breathing you can start like you know in breathing in and out in a certain pace which is going to help you recover yourself as well and you know your your heart is racing and uh you have to do something like you say in certain situ situations I cannot be any of the three FS right five flight or freeze I I have to perform or and I have to deliver right and and she says of course today because of you know the Contemporary Society it is one of the um most most common psychological disturbance that we are going to find but we I think that the more we understand like we said at the beginning from all of this perspective that is part of who we are that is part of of a natural response even a response of survival the more we will start accepting okay I of course I have to be anxious in the situation you know I'm going to meet uh you know uh my my fces parents for the first time how can you not you know feel oh I remember that day right or you know you were hired to teach in a university and all the the ones that uh hired you are going to be there for your first class I mean it requires a tremendous power of self-control for you not to feel uh anxious about it so it is normal what it is not normal is for us to to you know to feel the situation in the trivial things of life or to continue feeling that it's interesting because just this week I was talking to uh to a friend that she he always also gives talks in in relation to uh spiritist to several you know organizations and in National events and he says oh I always feel feel nervous you know I said I I do too you it's been 30 years but I still feel this anxiety because also it reflects that you know the responsibility commitment right that you have and go there and really represent something that is not you yeah I I I remember as well just sorry to interrupt but uh I remember as well um not so long ago maybe two weeks ago

ent right that you have and go there and really represent something that is not you yeah I I I remember as well just sorry to interrupt but uh I remember as well um not so long ago maybe two weeks ago three weeks ago uh this is in in the my professional realm um meeting the new head of an entire organization within the the company that I work for and this man is quite powerful quite powerful and now he moved on to a even more powerful uh position within the organization and we're talking and there's several people uh but it at that moment it was just me and him and and I don't know what I asked him but I remember his response and he said oh I am so anxious uh you have no idea I am no longer sleeping at night since I took on just a week or two ago this new new new job new role and the tension is is so clear in every day of my life right now and and that puzzled me because he is brilliant right he is fantastic powerful educated intelligent all of it and he was in the right role it did not diminish his reaction which is that inner working as you said of your friend despite the experience despite the knowledge despite all of it I would say I think you mentioned that 100% of us will undergo some sort of uh uh moments of fear that takes over it's almost like we can't control right it controls us yes exactly and this is you know why one thing that is also in the tool box which is important is for us to focus on the present moment yes sometimes as well you know this anticipation right uh how it's going to be uh like you know we said Meet the Parents right yes I love that or or start a new job and and then often nothing happens right but the level of emotional worry the burden that we place ourselves it drains us so much and this again is the lack of faith in in in you in the situation so and the thing is when I'm so focused and worried about what is going to happen I'm not paying attention to what is happening yes and why we're there right why why are we going through that specific moment in

thing is when I'm so focused and worried about what is going to happen I'm not paying attention to what is happening yes and why we're there right why why are we going through that specific moment in time I think um that mindfulness or being in the present moment um really speaks to again in in in the idea of faith that nothing happens if it's not me meant to happen you are exactly where you're supposed to be and we in our you know rational thinking we try to understand but why me and not Jada just kidding here right why am I having to go through this why why is this opportunity right Jada sometimes it's just a great opportunity and we second guess based on all that we bring from past experiences instead of trusting that it's okay just be in the moment yes or no goad the way sad it's absolutely correct but I I I'm I'm going farther away go ahead I'm thinking that sometimes you know um you're absolutely right when you say you know things that have to happen to us they will happen but it's very important for us to realize that we are in control and there are many things that were not supposed to happen and that we have provoked so thank thank you for clarifying that appreciate I just wanted to clarify because Li you know in the you know the silly things that we do in life and of course there will be consequences we'll say oh this was because I needed to go through this no this is because you have created this situation that was not in your program perhaps anticipate because of your Tendencies but um at the end of the day they were not necessarily to to come if you had not acted as you did so it is important for us to know that but even when we think about it because you we are humans and um and we still um have so many things with so many things right messing around and all of this and I think we it is not Inc commmon for us to find the S those situations in your silly work like you say it's I don't know it's 20 degrees out and you say oh no I'm I'm not going to grab my coat you know and of course

s not Inc commmon for us to find the S those situations in your silly work like you say it's I don't know it's 20 degrees out and you say oh no I'm I'm not going to grab my coat you know and of course maybe many times you or not you have a consequence of that right or it's raining out but I don't like an umbrella and then you just is soaking wet and do not expect any any impact on your physical health after that so um but yeah once it happened it happened and we have to deal with that but what it's saying here is you know in a certain way we are talking about spirituality but it's about being rational yes like you know again let's bring the mid the parents what's the worst that can happen they were expecting more of course uh we we are always expecting more right but it doesn't mean that we are not going to be pleased with what we have with what we receive so this is one thing you know be being rational the mindfulness here and all the the possibilities that we have of you know focusing on the present not being that much worried about what may happen yeah being being conscious about uh you know uh all these unresolved emotional issues that we have is um okay I I know I have that I know that I you know I I I will be anxious in this situation who who wouldn't right I mean I would say that it's completely abnormal if you're not and um maybe you think too much of yourself I don't know too much uh um belief in yourself but it's when we are going to be achieving this uh emotional balance when we put all reason into place uh and um and going back again to the athletes right I um trained and trained and trained AUD orator I trained and trained I I I wrote down everything that you know the main things that I have to say and there is no reason for me to not to deal with that the thing is uh there is this fear that they say that the greatest fear that Humanity has is um to face the public yes right to have to speak in public it's even more they say that the fear of death more present

s uh there is this fear that they say that the greatest fear that Humanity has is um to face the public yes right to have to speak in public it's even more they say that the fear of death more present so maybe you know when you talk to yourself and say what I fear is not my capability what I'm anxious about is not about my capability of delivering the speech of you know uh going for this interview but it's the relationship we will have with others there will be others in the picture and there is you always the worry about how people are going to judge you and the different you know tastes an egoic construct this feere right yes absolutely so I I think that this is one of the things that we have to think about and uh and the most important like Jan Angela says and I mean she's not alone in that if we will are going to talk about the scholars in this area they all are going to ask you to you know to focus on something else to look for something that is going to be bringing you peace and and and and calm and uh and again if it is a pathological State even that is affecting you know the neuro chemicals even medicine if this is the case yeah don't think you are you are alone yes we come here to talk to you in this podcast we kind of anxious because you know we prepare everything but it's always hard because we have to give the right message and the message uh basically is do not feel afraid do not feel that you're uh different just because you are having a response that is responsible for you to be living today yes I I love it so I wanted to to maybe for everyone who's here try to capture uh what what Joanna is bringing through you uh Jada and as it relates to um this topic right and and I think she is quite brilliant because she defines uh anxiety so this fear right as the manifestation of the conflict between the ego and the Deeper Self so when you mention the um the idea the sphere of public speaking it just immediately brought me her words right but further and I think it's important

the conflict between the ego and the Deeper Self so when you mention the um the idea the sphere of public speaking it just immediately brought me her words right but further and I think it's important for all of us to walk out with this that Jonah d'angeles views anxiety as this oh complex right multifaceted issue and and it's multifaceted because it it is born out a sense of disconnection right disconnection between me as an individual and my spiritual Essence and my material experience and it's it's the tension between that who I am as this Immortal Spirit right this Mortal soul and my material um life right now and that not being connected with both is what creates in her uh words right in her thoughts uh it creates that sense of anxiety and so because of it she in her what about how many books we counted as we're we're reading about this topic five six seven books she and it's going to be here in the in the description of this podcast so you can reference that but it's a number of books that she brings the topic of anxiety right so she keeps bringing up this link between the spiritual and psychological misalignment right so it's because now we're not talking spiritual and physical it's spiritual and emotional psychological Miss alignment and she brings uh some of the tools in her toolbx as a notion of self you know just self-discovery um Faith as you said um spiritual awareness um and emotional healing and I'd love for all of us just to to take the time if you know someone or if you are curious and want to know more about anxiety to just keep looking um into the resources that is brought to you by Jonah d'angel and many other Scholars like you said Jada because facing anxiety when we do that through that lens of spiritual awareness we can truly truly transform our experience into this this pathway and it's a pathway that we can translate into performance athletic performance or whatever type of performance but most importantly to attain your peace in a sense of fulfillment so with that I

athway and it's a pathway that we can translate into performance athletic performance or whatever type of performance but most importantly to attain your peace in a sense of fulfillment so with that I wanted just to to to bring the fact that there's a book and uh Jada you're the one who who brought me the attention to this book um a while ago but it's called Jonathan hay is the author and uh the book's title is the anxious generation how the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness what is this book about well um it's his hypothesis that um and he says right that uh he connects the this epidemic of Teen Mental Illness that has hit many different countries including the us all at the same time so the rise is is been evidence in many different statistics and he start to investigate what happened right now so it's a very interesting as a scholar he looked at statistic what was going on in the world and he found that um um childhood right so our children our toddlers our young um um children and pre teens and teens they really um Thrive when they explore it through games right they they explore um uh through playful uh Discovery and uh through that that's how it leads to their maturity and competency so Jonathan hay says well right that play based childhood that's uh he's quinting the book play based childhood started to decline in the 1980s and I keep thinking to myself Jada that's when my children were born that decade no but he says it's evident and by 20 years later right or 30 years later in the 2010 he speaks to now the eradication of the play based childhood into the phone based childhood so he he says that the great rewiring which is the title of the book has interfered with the children's social and neurological development and he says that has covered everything right and uh it's terrible to say out loud but it's so true uh sleep that prev ation right we we're talking about the the blue light uh sleep deprivation uh attention deficit or

has covered everything right and uh it's terrible to say out loud but it's so true uh sleep that prev ation right we we're talking about the the blue light uh sleep deprivation uh attention deficit or attention fragmentation addiction how many of us are addicted I I I heard the other day Jos that uh the once the the the the right of passage of becoming an adult was oh I got a car and I can drive teenagers are actually saying no let me do later because I'm addicted to texting and that's an interesting data point right but addiction as well as a sense of loneliness uh social comparison and I think what you pointed earlier today this uh this mental image that I need to be perfect right I need to be better than everybody else therefore anxiety is born out of this comparison and he specifically uh he specifically explains that social media in this case provides or um uh leads to damaging girls more than boys and on one point he says anxiety for girls and the date again um says that right but for the boys it's social isolation in and and it's really terrible because Society speaking this is the biggest impact but um what I'm thinking here is that uh Joanna and I believe in her book um uh correct me if I'm wrong uh family constellation she discusses how the family Dynamics and how families bring up their children will contribute to the development of those um anxious children and individuals so she really emphasized in that book the importance of being supportive to to be able to not only be supportive but bring uh the children with a spiritual education so that can mitigate anxiety so what I'd like to to bring for you before we we I give back the mic to to josa is some tips that uh is given to us for parents and caregivers right so knowing that anxiety disorders affect 3 31 almost 32% of uh uh adolescence between 13 and 18 years old in the US today which is a tip is pay attention to your child's feelings right number one number two it is let's stay calm Let's uh when your

lmost 32% of uh uh adolescence between 13 and 18 years old in the US today which is a tip is pay attention to your child's feelings right number one number two it is let's stay calm Let's uh when your child comes in super right anxious about a situation or event just don't yourself become anxious as well so be the Rock in that relationship be the parent stay calm recognize recognize um recognition comes in the forms of uh small praises and accomplishment because anxiety many times is that idea of my my friend at school is much better than I am and what is the standard well the standard is individual right so let us as parents recognize doing well at your child's standard if there is no lack of progress or even mistakes let's pay attention to those let's not punish them let's understand what is causing your child to fail or to not progress as fast as you would expect be flexible but trying to provide structure routine discipline for your children and uh doing specially stressful periods and and and uh we talked about being front of uh of your um uh your in-laws right for the first time your future in-laws for the first time but sometimes the pressure points can be for child first day of school right or first day of summer or any other types of stressful situations let us be very careful to really pay attention be attuned to that and let's not us um be as stringent as we would otherwise and finally plan as a parent you have this gift plan for any time you are facing with the transition so if um you you moved to a different uh place of residence does that impact how much time it takes to get to school I don't know anytime there is a change in your environment plan for that but with that I just wanted to say just had what else can we tell everyone who's here with us about this so important top um I think one thing that became very clear in what you said Marcia just for us to sum up uh you know this last part of the conversation is that um anxiety is not something that we can will find

t top um I think one thing that became very clear in what you said Marcia just for us to sum up uh you know this last part of the conversation is that um anxiety is not something that we can will find only in the adults on the contrary it starts in childhood for different reasons you know we all talk about being bullied or all those things you know the the milestone that a child has has to go through and I remember when my son was was a baby and and you know all this mothers would come you know telling me about Milestones oh he has to be craw Crawling by six months and then has to talk by I don't know or walking in and I mean and the anxious parents will impose that we will begin forcing the child not to follow it natural you know uh way because the you know there there is competition you know my neighbor's baby is already doing that and mine is not so anxiety starts in the childhood and actually to to tell you the truth it starts it comes from previous existences right but so you know like you said paying attention paying attention to your child to difference to the different stages that that the child is going to then you know the pre-teen teenagers and even ourselves indult lives like you we said there are so many things and that can trigger this uh but it doesn't mean that we have to go through that alone we shouldn't we should resort to family to our community if you have any kind of you know Faith religion uh any kind of spirituality go for that as well and on top of everything don't uh um uh forget about the important Resort there is the medical field and look after professionals but there is so much to talk about anxiety that we are going to be talk about it in the following podcast so we can we can um continuing bring more interesting things that we can learn about that see we said it's part of all our lives so now don't be anxious about what we will bring next we will be here and we'll be U trying to Enlighten all of us as much as we can thank you thank you Jada thank

e we said it's part of all our lives so now don't be anxious about what we will bring next we will be here and we'll be U trying to Enlighten all of us as much as we can thank you thank you Jada thank you for being here with us today I appreciate you and love to hear from you as I mentioned earlier maybe tell us about your experience or or tell us any other aspect of this topic that you may feel that we did not touch upon right this will Enlighten us to to be uh more holistic about the topic but also address the the particular items that we may have just brushed through it is only a few minutes that we're together but I really appreciate it and Jada I see you next time and I see all of you next time as well thank you so long