Ep 53 - Overcoming Struggles, Conflicts, and Despair

hello everyone welcome to the psychology and spirituality a bridge to a better life discussion I'm your host Marcia Tran and with me is beia Lopez hi beia hi it's so good to have you join us in our weekly conversations so for those of you who have not met be or even heard from her before she's a recent Stony Brook University graduate with a Bachelor of Science in Applied Mathematics and statistics and she also has a minor in Italian the language oh impressive beia be has grown up in spiritism so when we bring our topics about psychology and spirituality as we know spiritism is one of spiritualist um U belief systems right body of uh of knowledge that beia is quite aware she um was part of the Alan cardex spirit is Center of Denver Connecticut since the age of three and when she went to college she went on to a different spiritual center um Long Island Spiritual Center she also has involved right beia in spiritism by participating either in study groups she has given lectures she has delivered several uh talks and speeches including speeches a speech right with the uh United Nations so very impressive and most recently she has been um very engaged in coordinating youth spiritist Retreats so lovely love what you do uh today beia is serving on the board of directors of the US Spirits Federation and I just want to say thank you thank you beia for all that you do but for you who's watching this uh podcast like program if this is the first time please do note that this program the psychology and spirituality weekly I'm I'm Tongue Tied today the psychology and spirituality weekly talks are based on the works of Joanna deangeles and uh we're here to provide uh the safe space and the safe safe spaces for us to perhaps confront compare correlate but most importantly expand your spirituality Concepts from a psychological land and in doing so we're hoping that all of us can bring insights or tips or even realworld advice so that all of us can lead a better life please note our

spirituality Concepts from a psychological land and in doing so we're hoping that all of us can bring insights or tips or even realworld advice so that all of us can lead a better life please note our program sponsored by TV Manel Cino the United States Spirits Federation the international spiritist Council and army Brazil and if you have a not done so please hit subscribe and also if you want to check us out uh do so by going to www.sirius.com ah I asked you to come here today to talk a little bit about uh the notion of perhaps uh we can call it difficulties or suffering but suffering from a different uh perhaps angle right it's it's the that idea of uh oh I don't know um struggle with just surviving in life despair uh lack of that uh I'm going to French now right a little bit of not having the de right the joy to live and and and be grateful and and really optimizing all that we are and uh as we can say perhaps there's so many different elements within our emotional side that uh is is is either not really thriving or really even less than that struggling to be there and uh Joanna d'angel has a book uh that talks about it because she says well well well uh all of this is just part of what we need to go through so that we can attain or achieve our spiritual awakening woo that's a lot of suffering to get to to be that spiritually awakened so I'm just going to ask you tell me what are your thoughts because I have some thoughts already getting a little bit of uh what Kung and and and Freud told us a little bit about uh personal unconscious and Collective unconscious but uh Bea do you have any thoughts about this whole H idea that we are all in this together no matter your social economic status your level of Education um even if you had or not a happy childhood we all have our pain points we're all struggling what are your thoughts on that beia yeah no it's such a um an important topic to talk about right it's not it's not great that we all have these but it's the truth is

pain points we're all struggling what are your thoughts on that beia yeah no it's such a um an important topic to talk about right it's not it's not great that we all have these but it's the truth is that we all have these struggles these challenges these hard Parts in our lives um and you know there's a big push today you see in social media you see on TV these people that look like they're living perfect lives or someone thinks that you're living a perfect life and then you know when they actually dive in if they you know were a fly in the wall on on your wall and saw how your life was maybe or that person's life was they would see that everyone has struggled even you know people who who might seem great and successful on the outside so um you know here on Earth we're we're all going through struggles we're all doing this but there's a comfort in that and knowing that we are all going through these but we're overcoming them at the same time because as we're going through a struggle right now we can think about a struggle that we already went through and that we've overcome so we continually keep improving even though times might seem so tough think about all that we've already accomplished already overcome and that you know gives a little bit of of motivation to keep going absolutely uh on on a different note because you you talked about ah the dreaded the dreaded social media right somehow almost a backlash because we all are uh what 20 plus years after social media really became an engine of our uh mostly uh if not all uh global life but at least Western Civilization we have become adapted to to this new new way of um of of living of communicating or over communicating oversharing and as we it's very interesting as we think about uh it's um omnipresent right via the the fact that it is and I'm going to look at my my mobile device right we have something doesn't matter the brain doesn't matter the size but you have something in your hand that uh um it it's it's so easy

act that it is and I'm going to look at my my mobile device right we have something doesn't matter the brain doesn't matter the size but you have something in your hand that uh um it it's it's so easy from a technology perspective to just capture the moment it may be voice it may be video it may be and also how easy it has become uh to all of us to become almost Masters in portraying that moment in the light of our own personal prejudices what do I mean by that well yeah you know me you know I you know I'm probably the shortest person you've ever met in the world my dream my dream is to just go ahead and have this this extremely tall uh skinny modelik uh body well it's not me but inside of me there's that illusion the desire to be what I'm not I have to tell you somebody turned me on into a little app I'm not even going to say what it is but it's a the utilization of artificial intelligence and you got to love this you you put your picture whatever that is and you put a little button and voila you are the most beautiful person in the world at the most beautiful setting it is amazing but it's not you you did not live that moment and yet because I was playing with with it and I kept uh transforming photos of my entire family and I have a very large family now I I got uh reached out by one of my close close family members saying listen I have to post me in this moment but I hate it can you change it and I thought of wow what Have We Become because in the uh age of transparency and uh ubiquitous uh ability to to at any moment at any time for anybody no matter uh really uh how thriving or not you are you do have a a a portable a mobile device with you and you can do things like that but the backlash on that is we're all becoming quite uh what can I say fake inauthentic right living like lives of Illusion and this topic here uh based on what I was saying before that Joanna d'angeles brought to us is like it's the opposite we suffer because we're not awake and what she means by that is really uh open up

and this topic here uh based on what I was saying before that Joanna d'angeles brought to us is like it's the opposite we suffer because we're not awake and what she means by that is really uh open up right beia to our authentic self to all that is really hidden away soone just brought a little bit right from uh Carl Yung so this was um uh car gusta Jung right he was a psychiatrist he brings to us the the idea the notion in analytical psychology of a personal unconscious right personal unconscious which just simply means all of us have a very personal space that we're it's ours but we don't know we don't have much access it is unconscious to us this is the same thing as Freud right Freud when he did his studies uh in the late 1800s and early 1900s he talked about uh the unconscious and Carl went on to talk about the collective unconscious and I just wanted to to bring this to us because of two things number one it is how on one hand our personal unconscious is the space where we hm if I don't like my memory if I don't like how I show up I may I I I'm putting my my hands down right I'm just pressing it down I'm repressing those memories because they're unacceptable to me based on perhaps our external environment or how the expectation from a family or any other cultural aspects right but what I wanted to bring to us and you brought it so well already beia in your few words you already brought it which is we um as a whole right the minute that we are able to access our personal unconscious and free it up right open it up um accept the The Good the Bad and the Ugly if you will over who we are the more we access also the collective unconscious which is a kind of crazy if you think about it right yeah but together we can make it better go go ahead yeah no I just love the the piece that you're bringing up about the unconscious because um Joanna actually tells us in one of her passages talking about how the unconscious holds all of really all of who we are and how does it

e piece that you're bringing up about the unconscious because um Joanna actually tells us in one of her passages talking about how the unconscious holds all of really all of who we are and how does it do that she says from your it's your lived experiences so everything that's stored in your mind is your live experiences and and one kind of um silly example that came to mind when I when I saw her message saying that was um I don't know if you've seen it the movie Inside Out with the emotions I love it yeah yeah for those who don't know the movie Inside Out follow it's a cartoon movie um I think they're actually coming out with the second one soon but it follows the little girl who's growing up is becoming a teenager but she has some changes in her life so she moves to a new city she moves to a new house a new school so there's a lot and you kind of follow her emotions or little characters and they're in her brain and they're you know panicking or they're scared or they're sad and if follow there's an angry emotion that I love it yeah yeah it's a it's a really great movie but one of the things that when I was thinking about this unconscious this um the of these lived experiences is is in that movie they have this memory headquarters and they have these like orbs and each orb is one memory and it's so interesting the way that they depict it because it's almost like a library so she has all of her memories lined up on like a bookshelf um all organized and some of them they go away we don't think about them right what did we have for dinner yesterday that one is kind of in the back we don't think about it too much but it's interesting the ones that that do stand out and do impact us daily because we keep thinking about them we keep thinking about them um and also the ones that are you know sometimes they show there's a memory that was back in our unconscious we weren't thinking about it and then Boop it pops up and now you start thinking about that so um you know getting that that quote and

times they show there's a memory that was back in our unconscious we weren't thinking about it and then Boop it pops up and now you start thinking about that so um you know getting that that quote and kind of putting it into this little example of saying though our unconscious it's it's who we are because it's all of our lived experiences it's all of our memories good bad funny sad it's all of those and you everyone knows certain ones pop up and they cause struggle they cause conflict within us and certain ones come up and they bring us joy so yes yeah no no thank you I I love that you brought it up I I forgot the year that uh Disney Pixar brought this up but I believe uh it is one of the the movies that everybody should should watch right it's uh it's lovely it's well portrayed but it it it it brings the notion that we all inside out right so inside of us we all have those emotions and I love to say this so be a I hope you you don't mind me over overstepping here but the idea that uh uh those are What's called the the the basic emotions right so Joy is is her name but uh we also have a BAS Bic emotion of Anger of sadness and of fear right and and from an emotional um um uh I don't know ecosystem perhaps those regardless what they are being angry like I said I love that character because he gets red and explodes right but being angry there's a there is a response that is automatic response mechanism hormonal right inside of us and there's a reason it is really to protect us uh same thing with uh fear same thing of even sadness that that interv verion that s leads us to to be but many times we bring those up for two reasons on one hand it is really important to recognize that this is basic 100% of all the billions of people that live today have the same basic emotions number one number two an emotion is a a a a response mechanism to an external input right so you don't wake up today and say beia I'm gonna be sad today right or beia I'm gonna be up today I'm going to be angry those are just you you

is a a a a response mechanism to an external input right so you don't wake up today and say beia I'm gonna be sad today right or beia I'm gonna be up today I'm going to be angry those are just you you respond to something that happens in the outside and of course the trick here is how do you handle it to those uh triggers to become sad or have be you know sad or or or happy or fearful Etc because as a mechanism to save us with all the hormones that come with those emotions they were there to provoke you to anger it's like to to fight right uh the fear is just to to the the fight or fly to to run away because if you don't you may be eaten by this lioness in the Sahara right but the funny thing is that we don't live in sub Sahara Our Lives mostly are not lives to confront lionesses hunting us but the threat and this is really important for us to maybe bring more about it our threat is anything outside that is threatening the ego image that we created for ourselves how we want people to portray uh and and and and again goes back to the social media right how is that edited if you will version of ourselves and many times we just we we we we buy into the fantasy right we buy into the fantasy and I I I I keep uh wanting to laugh because uh I mentioned that little artificial intelligence app be and I'll send to you so you can laugh with me one day I got one in which I was the perfect figure of what I wanted to be so tall and so SC it was just funny and and I said well this is what I want but who would look at this and believe because if you know me that's not who I am but in any case um uh love love that idea of understanding the emotional response and that it's okay to be said what we need to watch out for is the pathological right uh extension of that right to depression so on so forth yeah because I think that's it's so important like like you mentioned these emotions are important for us to have right if there's something dangerous it's important that we feel fear so that we

forth yeah because I think that's it's so important like like you mentioned these emotions are important for us to have right if there's something dangerous it's important that we feel fear so that we respond to that but it's also not to to like you're saying to sit in it and let it soak in like I I was even thinking of an example of you know how many times do we go through I know for me I go through the entire work day I go through an entire meeting and then after it all I can think about is that one thing I said wrong that one thing yeah and then you're going to sleep and you think about that one thing you said wrong and then you and you keep thinking about and you keep okay one thing went wrong you can think about at one time so you can correct it going forward yes but we have to let that go and it's hard it's you know I I haven't perfected that that's for sure but it's hard to let that go but it's we have to try and resolve those conflicts or those issues and like you said not let them you know keep piling on because then we get more Angry more Angry more and then that becomes really unhealthy yeah and and and it this this judgment so I wanted to and I know we can talk a lot about judgment but you brought up earlier from Joanna that this is all part this what we're going through is part of our experience this uh personal conscious or or you know unconscious or conscious but it's all about our um maybe the library in the book in the the movie right the library with all the books repres present each experience each memory each and is really a a a treasure to hold right but we we also wanted to maybe uh and this is Joanna right she's a uh Joanna d'angel is a little harsh sometimes because she tells us in those are my words that if we think about all of our experiences in life right we have to also as a as a an example an exercise of reflecting upon what they are she keeps telling us we're still so far away from where we will be someday and uh and she also talks about

life right we have to also as a as a an example an exercise of reflecting upon what they are she keeps telling us we're still so far away from where we will be someday and uh and she also talks about perhaps the fact that ah we are predominantly focusing on the wrong things right we instead of seeking perhaps uh what do I need to invest to become better to to accumulate insights to look into those feedback perhaps what you said like oh that one moment that I said something uh wrong it's gonna haunt me forever but how can it make you better instead uh it because it it makes it makes it hard to remember our our mistakes right to be a but uh we end up going and seeking I don't know pleasures and adrenaline or or uh scapis uh Etc but I wanted to to ask you if you um ever remember I'm I'm going completely off off off our topic but because I think it it may it may help us but uh do you remember the parable of the talents right yes right so basically uh this this man leaves and he says to his servants okay I'm giving you all my possessions in my absence and he and basically talents which here is not a talent as we hear the word but Talent as a reference of measurement to all either gold or silver Etc but five to one three to another and one he comes back and real quickly right the one that had five he invested and he multiplied and he had 10 the other one that had three became five and the one that had one which is us right we're at the very bottom of the letter here the one that had one had his talent and of course the story of the the parable is that the master of of this becomes extremely angry and he said okay I'm taking away your talent and giving to the one that was wise and uh I I I think this is really a tale right it's of course a parable it's not true of how important it is to to really be wise about our talents our resources and and so back to to to perhaps the whole idea of Awakening we all have our potentiality right right and Joanna specifically this is a topic that I want

really be wise about our talents our resources and and so back to to to perhaps the whole idea of Awakening we all have our potentiality right right and Joanna specifically this is a topic that I want us to maybe talk a minute or two but specifically Joan deangel talks about how slow is the process to develop our potential when it comes to that Consciousness right yeah absolutely thanks for thanks for ringing that example I think um that's a great story you know I've heard it heard it many times but every time you hear again it goes oh wow you know it really hits again that you need to something to work on but um I I think right we all we all have our Free Will so we have that free will to say I'm gonna I have a struggle and I want to sit here and I want to do nothing and sometimes we have to do that right sometimes if we're having a bad day sometimes we just need to get home and try again tomorrow but we can make the choice to sit there day after day and be sad and be sad right but where are we going to ress right like that one coin that we're going to be at the same spot whereas we can get those struggles that we have we can cry about it for a day we can sit there but then okay now what do we do how do we you know maybe resolve this conflict how can we move on how can we improve how can we do something relaxing get our mind off of it so it's important like you're saying to you know it's okay we're we we're human right we we're not perfect yet so there's going to be things that we feel overwhelmed and we need to take a a break from but then start back up and put in that effort and I think we do that pretty slowly right now but yeah but but uh we also know that as slow as it is so I guess uh there's a parallel right biologically if you think in terms of a child a young child that grows by the second right you you look today into tomorrow it's already uh uh longer bigger and it's just an amazing uh evolutionary process of this biology of our bodies right yes and and and so

that grows by the second right you you look today into tomorrow it's already uh uh longer bigger and it's just an amazing uh evolutionary process of this biology of our bodies right yes and and and so biologically organically it's fast but it's not so fast when we talk about the our awareness our Consciousness but it's also deep once you you overcome you reach you become more aware you never lose that absolutely which is so powerful yeah that's so amazing because yeah it takes longer but then once you get it that means you really learned it you really overcame it and that's yeah that'll really help I I love the this is a completely terrible example be it but I I'm going to bring it up here um if you never smoke or had the desire to smoke a single cigarette right and you walk in with a friend to a shop with cigars and cigarettes Etc and they say you can take whatever you look at it like not for me right yet if you were a recovering smoker that is probably one of the hardest thing you have to go through is to deal with that H I haven't really it's it's still there it's very fresh in our addictions if you if you if I could use that word yeah but uh so I I I think about it this Consciousness it's the reversal of this example once you overcome it's like it it doesn't I I'm grown right I've matured enough that this not this does not touch me right yeah I there's a there was a quote actually that I was reading from Janna that she says that um I I even wrote it down here conflict is the gray area between what to do and what not to do always leaning towards imbalance and distress so like you're saying that conflict that happens within us is we know sometimes we know what to do we say I have to do this and we do it and then there's usually not a conflict or sometimes we know what not to do oh I know I'm not going to you know put my hand on the fire so you don't do it and there's no conflict yeah but it's when you're torn like you're saying and it's not great because um you know that

do oh I know I'm not going to you know put my hand on the fire so you don't do it and there's no conflict yeah but it's when you're torn like you're saying and it's not great because um you know that person's trying their best but when they're torn between they know what they should do and they know what not to do but they want to do the wrong thing and they're leaning towards it and that causes a conflict so I thought it it was really interesting how she put it because a lot of our our internal conflicts our struggles is that it's us we know the right thing but it's still hard to do the right thing all the time yeah and and why is that right why why is it so hard and it's just uh maturity uh uh be and I are both spiritists so we and and Joanna uh gives us this beautiful beautiful idea that as evolving Immortal Spirits so we we die our body dies but our spirit continues and we we uh we can say we have many lives but actually have one life right many lives uh I'm sorry one life and many deaths but uh um Joanna keeps saying that all of these you know life after uh physical life after physical life or opportunities are given to us so that one day we can reach our beautiful final Destiny which is infinite happiness and I love that she says that not infinite life infinite happiness and and so when we think about it with the infinite happiness it's that expanded Consciousness that uh we are not there yet we are expanding every experience like the movie that you brought up right inside out every experience is a way to become more aware of all that goes inside of us including those things that uh we try to hide away but be I wanted to bring up one one topic I think we have time to go uh I'd love to hear your thoughts but um as you know in many many many different cultures throughout history uh uh the idea of the Heart Right your heart has been the consider in literature poetry mythology as the the the source of emotions right the source of passion the source of wisdom there is even some mythology uh about

the Heart Right your heart has been the consider in literature poetry mythology as the the the source of emotions right the source of passion the source of wisdom there is even some mythology uh about some myths and stories about the Spaniards when they they conquered um the you know Latin America and the Native Americans there had this idea that uh you if you if you kill me uh you have to take the heart out because it focuses all of your all of your uh Brave uh Brave uh uh aptitudes your talents your ideas your feelings your emotions so anyways we we kind of feel that U um we I'm talking about collectively speaking we we kind of uh have felt that when we experience the feelings or Sensations for example of Love or happiness or even sadness it all goes into the heart contrary to this science in the past however many decades scientist says the opposite right oh forget the heart this is uh poetry and and and illusion um all of your memories reside in your brain the brain is the master the brain is responsible for all your experience your thoughts and your memories but what I wanted to bring to us is the fact that very recently we're talking about couple decades if that we have new studies exploring actually that there is a physiological mechanism by which the heart communicates with the brain and the Heart actually influences the brain in how it processes not only what you're feeling but your perceptions your emotions and even health and I love that because now we are coming to terms with the idea that uh your heart will impact your mental health uh even your oh let's say creativity all your uh sense of peace or emotional balance right and there is one one um I think his name was Dr armore um that discovered this this the heart he calls the little brain because he actually found that it has the about 40,000 neurons just like the brain in your heart so if we say this we we could go back to the idea that intelligence yours mine all of us our intelligence really encompasses

ound that it has the about 40,000 neurons just like the brain in your heart so if we say this we we could go back to the idea that intelligence yours mine all of us our intelligence really encompasses knowledge eventbase factual ba uh factual knowledge as well as feelings back to Joanna right she's saying that our awareness right this this Consciousness uh that is opening enlarging expanding it's a very slow process right and and and I keep thinking about the heart and the Brain but if we think about it beia um our imperfections or failures right or or like oh why did I have to say that in that meaning today all of those little glitches right in a otherwise perfect day really are they're obs they're kind of like uh preventing us to see clearly the path toward our own discernment right and because of it it it goes back to the idea when I I there's I don't know it's like I I let's pretend that I wear glasses and I don't have my glass it's it I don't have my Clear Vision and because I don't have a clear vision of what is really real and my my my path toward my infinite happiness I end up fighting for things that are oh I don't know ephemeral they will not help me they just will push us down instead of pushing us up and I think that's what's so interesting here and maybe we can talk a little bit about it via is how we could but we end up up not moving away or avoiding the source of our own conflicts and struggles and that sense of Despair that we're talking about it is terrible isn't it yeah yeah it is and and I I think to your point yeah that like um that we don't let go of it right that we keep it we keep it going and I think and and why don't we let go of it right I think sometimes at least I can think I'm sure we all can think of a moment that we think we see a situation happen and we get offended by that situation and we let that sit inside of us and right with our feelings right we get angry that little angry we get angry and we feel that anger and we let that build

happen and we get offended by that situation and we let that sit inside of us and right with our feelings right we get angry that little angry we get angry and we feel that anger and we let that build up and then instead of saying oh you know what I'm GNA forget about it we keep thinking about it and we keep latching on to that pushing into that thinking about it thinking about it and then sometimes you finally come you finally confront this person you you know have a big fight and then you realize oh that situation wasn't what I thought it was at all so I think a lot of times you know we get these um because we're not perfect so sometimes we might have been jealous of a situation we might have misunderstood a situation um we don't want to say that we're wrong right is is I think a lot of the time so we get this we get this attachment to it and we keep focusing on it focusing on it instead of saying okay I'm angry right now why am I angry let me try and think rationally through it but that's so hard like you said to get the glasses and put it on and see the situation clearly that's a lot harder than just feeling that emotion and letting it Bubble Up Inside of us yeah yeah and and and we have to go back to uh some of the defense mechanism right of our for survival uh one of them is repression I I repress uh anything that I cannot not accept uh and and those are the times that um when that failure is too much for our own um ability to process it right so for example let's pretend Let's Pretend not what happened Bea but you say something wrong and and then the next day uh there is a unrelated but you get fired right and uh there's all a series of consequences B based on right or triggered by in your mind of that I said something wrong in the meeting and it can be so hurtful and it can impact us so much that we end up just completely obliterating and repressing the interesting thing and uh there is a book that I love uh be uh it's it's written by joanah d'angela it's called the

can impact us so much that we end up just completely obliterating and repressing the interesting thing and uh there is a book that I love uh be uh it's it's written by joanah d'angela it's called the integral human being right and uh with it uh Joanna talks about about the idea of uh you know if you think about what is the word integral uh integer right number one it's uh it's the idea of wholeness integration and with the idea of integration this is really key to to that book because uh she goes on to all the things that uh come in our ways right and takes us off kilter takes us off balance but in the end the entire message is about self love it's about forgiveness it is about embracing all that you are including be saying something wrong at the wrong time in the meeting right absolutely and I think that's like that's that's the key right there is that self Lov when we're talking about the social media and the artificial intelligence it's saying okay yeah maybe I want to post a nice picture of myself but you know there's days that I sit at home in my pajamas and that's okay too and that's who I am and I'm not this AI pitcher or I did say something wrong in that meeting oops sorry and that's it right absolutely absolutely um we are uh time goes by so fast we are approaching the end and I just wanted maybe perhaps uh for us to to leave here with some words of encouragement for anyone who is suffering and we're talking about uh not just suffering oh uh I'm not put you down your your example but not just like oopsie I I said something wrong but really a sense of uh struggling a sense of I I don't belong or uh uh and I'm going to use pathological from a psych psychological perspective but a a uh state of mind that is really requires help and I I think beia maybe you can help me here with some tools for for those who are going through um any of those States and to me the first thing is if you are um seeking and receiving help and that help can be I don't know um uh a pharmaco help right

ome tools for for those who are going through um any of those States and to me the first thing is if you are um seeking and receiving help and that help can be I don't know um uh a pharmaco help right uh uh medication or uh therapy or going through some any guidance from a medical professional stick to that uh that treatment plan right don't just let it go I I think it's important to keep your friends your family including your primary care physician for example updated of how well you are yeah um be curious I I'm thinking here be be curious about how you feeling and and understand uh and and and go through that inner Voyage to to to go inside and and be kind like you said be loving and and uh and also understand that maybe like the movie Inside Out they triggers to my sadness right and it's a beautiful movie because of it specifically talks about changes in one's life can trigger those types of emotions but most importantly I would say um eat well sleep enough right uh engage engage with your friends engage with your community uh what are some of other tips maybe that you you have it that you could share yeah and and thank you for bringing that up because while we're talking about some lighter examples some small conflicts we're all going through really deep struggles as well and struggles that feel a lot hard harder to get over than just a meeting right so it's really important to to know that everyone has the little struggles but also those really big struggles but I think what you said is so great is there's people to help right although some of these struggles are internal it's us yes self-love helps but if you don't feel like you're up to that right now reach out for someone else for someone else's help there's always people around you willing to help um therapy friends counselors there's so many resources to help so um even though a lot of the things we eventually have to conquer ourselves it's always okay to ask for help and to get that guidance when we need it most absolutely but I

so many resources to help so um even though a lot of the things we eventually have to conquer ourselves it's always okay to ask for help and to get that guidance when we need it most absolutely but I want to say thank you thank you so much Bea for being with me I look forward to have you back at a later time and uh and I appreciate everyone who's here with us right in this conversation about struggles conflicts and uh uh my last tip is go get the movie and watch it it is delightful yeah thank you so much for having me today thank you and uh goodbye everyone bye